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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;879981]I was not assuming you were I was just trying to answer your question. If Peyton was released today and the Dolphins came to terms with him today, they could sign him today. As could any other team. The Pats could go out and sign TO before the SB if they really wanted to.

Not trying to state you were a moron bud, just making sure what I wrote was understandable. :)[/quote]

No worries.. Early symptoms of football withdrawal.

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I hear ya

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[quote=NC_Skins;879988]You think they are going to leapfrog up to #2 or #4 for him? Steep price to say the least. Anything on the Denver front about moving up as well?[/quote]

3 or 4. Nothing on Denver

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[quote=SmootSmack;879997]3 or 4. Nothing on Denver[/quote]


I somewhat hopes it happens just so I can see the meltdown happen with some Skins fans. It's somewhat entertaining to watch them proclaim the franchise being setback 5-10 years if we don't get X player. Some of these guys are potentially setting themselves up for a huge letdown in terms of acquiring RGIII.

If Mike and company don't think RGIII is worth trading up for, I don't want them to do it. Hell if they don't like him for the #6 pick I don't want them to do it. The ONLY thing I would be pissed at is if they drafted a Richardson at the #6 or any TE before the 6th round. The more I think about it, going OT in first and QB in second would be the most ideal really. (all Luck scenarios aside)

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I'm very surprised that if a healthy Peyton became available, that we wouldn't at least kick the tires but I guess that might be because he would want to stay out of the NFCE, where his brother plays.

I wouldn't be surprised that over some dinner table, his name came up. Or at least when Shanny & Allen's player acquisition plans A-Z were laid out to the owners.

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The only concern I have about the search for a QB is that Mike Shanahan might feel too much pressure to get his QB for the next ten years in place this offseason. When MS was hired, he purportedly told Dan Snyder not to hire him if DS wasn't willing to give him five years to resurrect the Redskins on the field. With that in mind, I'm hoping that MS feels secure enough in his job to walk away from any bad deals for a QB.

Yes, we need a top QB. We also need other playmakers and more quality OLs and DBs. I like the idea that the Skins will leave no stone unturned in trying to find their Franchise QB. I hope they find him soon. Nevertheless, if the Skins should become concerned that what they would need to pay to get Luck or RGIII is likely to set back their rebuilding efforts, I hope MS has the courage to go to Plan B.

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I would not trade Orakpo. I would switch back to a 4-3 defense (which Shanahan most likely never do). I like to idea of OT in the 1'st QB in the 2'nd (if we don't sign a free agent).

I think Shanahan gets the boot next year if the Redskins record does not improve...

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[quote=irish;879883]Kyle Shanny said on the radio on Fri that he didnt think Rex played too bad. He said Rex had waaaaay too may turnovers but did move the ball pretty good. He felt the bigger problem was that once Rex completed a pass it was usually not run for many yds and never had a pass run in for a TD. He felt that QB was one of the many areas where the Skins needed to improve.[/quote]

I heard the interview. Kyle likes Rex as a person and was not going to crush him on the radio. The questions were all about the problems at QB and Kyle was just tying to deflect some of it and not blame it all on Rex.

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How long until this thread intertwines with all the other threads of us getting RG3, Luck, Peyton being cut, we should draft ___, etc. etc. I'm already feeling another 45+ pager...

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[quote=celts32;880004]I heard the interview. Kyle likes Rex as a person and was not going to crush him on the radio. The questions were all about the problems at QB and Kyle was just tying to deflect some of it and not blame it all on Rex.[/quote]

I was surprised at how critical he was of Rex. Somewhat refreshing. I came away from the interview feeling a lot better about Kyle Shanahan.

My favorite quote - "He kept both teams in most games."

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[quote=VTSkins1961;880001]I think Shanahan gets the boot next year if the Redskins record does not improve...[/quote]


He'll still be here even if he matches the record from last year. He's not going anywhere much like he wasn't going to fire Joe Gibbs either before his time. That said, we won't be having that type of record next year so it's a moot point. This team is getting better.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;880001]I would not trade Orakpo. I would switch back to a 4-3 defense (which Shanahan most likely never do). I like to idea of OT in the 1'st QB in the 2'nd (if we don't sign a free agent).

I think Shanahan gets the boot next year if the Redskins record does not improve...[/quote]

I would stay the course with our current coaches and schemes. Get a QB to build around and grow into a perennial contender from there.

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[quote=NC_Skins;879988]You think they are going to leapfrog up to #2 or #4 for him? Steep price to say the least. Anything on the Denver front about moving up as well?[/quote]

And actually I wouldn't be stunned if he fell to 6 and we traded down.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880015]And actually I wouldn't be stunned if he fell to 6 and we traded down.[/quote]


Shanahan better invest in bullet proof vest or body guards if he does. :laughing-


You talk about server shutdown(especially the idiots over on ES). I think that might do it even if the other trades you talked about didn't go through. Passing on RGIII at the #6. I would be laughing my ass off personally at the meltdown.

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If we pass on Griffin at #6 then Mike Shanahan is officially a freakin moron.

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I think it's funny that a few months ago, it was "we're going to draft Andrew Luck" from Irsay.

Now he's saying, we planned to take Andrew Luck or [U]Robert Griffin III[/U], even if Manning was healthy, per PFT.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;880019]If we pass on Griffin at #6 then Mike Shanahan is officially a freakin moron.[/quote]


Not if he doesn't rate him high or he doesn't think he'll fit his system.

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I have been "tuning in" to the Warpath for nearly 10+ years though not posting. This marks my first post.

I'm pretty excited about the prospect of picking up Bradford.

...I recall that Snyder was really keen on Bradford his draft year, and that the Skins brought him in to work him out...but as I recall he was simply ...out of reach.

Anybody else seem to remember how keen Snyder seemed to be about Bradford?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;880019]If we pass on Griffin at #6 then Mike Shanahan is officially a freakin moron.[/quote]

How is a "freakin" moron different from other types of morons?

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To get the rumor mill rolling again, I heard Bob Kravitz of The Indianapolis Star(the guy who did the Peyton Manning interview where he revealed he was unhappy w/ the Colts and paved the way for his release) on the Lebatard Show, and Kravitz gave the Skins a 25% chance of signing Peyton once he's released. He said DC was intriguing to Peyton because he remembers what Shanahan was able to with Elway late in his career, and of course, Peyton wants to go out on top with one last Super Bowl victory. Kravitz said there was an equal chance for us, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, and the Dolphins to land Peyton.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;880019]If we pass on Griffin at #6 then Mike Shanahan is officially a freakin moron.[/quote]

Not exactly... Even Irsay said that this QB duo can be compared to Manning & Leaf draft. Everybody thought Leaf is destined to stardom, just like Manning was.. If Shanny passes Griffin on through draft and then Griffin turned out to be a bust - Shanny will be genius. It is better to wait and see what Shanny's plan is and how it turns out before we call for his head, or name calling in this situation.

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[quote=alpineONE;880025]I have been "tuning in" to the Warpath for nearly 10+ years though not posting. This marks my first post.

I'm pretty excited about the prospect of picking up Bradford.

...I recall that Snyder was really keen on Bradford his draft year, and that the Skins brought him in to work him out...but as I recall he was simply ...out of reach.

Anybody else seem to remember how keen Snyder seemed to be about Bradford?[/quote]

I know Snyder and Shanny were the only other team, besides Rams, to entertain Bradford at a pre-draft dinner. They apparently all hit if off according to Bradford.

BTW - been "tuning in" here as well and this thread tipped the scales for me too! Now, if I could only get to 10 posts so I can include links...LOL

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[quote=alpineONE;880025]I have been "tuning in" to the Warpath for nearly 10+ years though not posting. This marks my first post.

I'm pretty excited about the prospect of picking up Bradford.

...I recall that Snyder was really keen on Bradford his draft year, and that the Skins brought him in to work him out...but as I recall he was simply ...out of reach.

Anybody else seem to remember how keen Snyder seemed to be about Bradford?[/quote]

Welcome aboard! Please take this time to fasten your seat belt and make sure your seat is back and folding trays are in their full upright position at all times. Enjoy your flight. :cool-smil


I don't recall hearing a peep from Snyder in regards to Bradford. Shanahan on the other hand must have loved Bradford to have wanted to jump from #4 to #1.

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[quote=irish;879839]Interesting idea and I think a good one. Kyle Shannahan was on the Andy Sheehan/Thom Loverro show in DC on Friday and he said there was no way the Skins were going to give away the farm to get a QB. He said QB was one of many holes the Skins need to fill. It sounds like he thinks the team really needs a few playmakers. His most telling stat to this point was the number of passes thrown by the QB and run in for a TD was zero.[/quote]

Well.. we had two.. Helu screen/hurdle.. and Banks to Moss.. then again Banks isn't a "QB" and Helu isn't a WR... either way it's sad though

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[quote=GTripp0012;879952]There are plenty of constants that aren't QB play within this organization. And really, the years of bad QB play over the last 20 years were pretty much (with obvious exception to 2004) contained to the Schottenheimer/Spurrier years, and now the Shanahan years. You've had your bad quarterbacks: Shuler, Wuerffel, that one Ramsey/Brunell season, Grossman, Beck. But it's not like the quarterback play has been consistently bad. That doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Turner and Gibbs/Zorn didn't have any issue solving the quarterback position. In fact, the coaches who did have trouble are infamous for their bad QB decisions in Washington.

Only two franchises in the last 20 hasn't endured a period of bad quarterback play: New England, who went right from Bledsoe to Brady (and even Brady had a lean year or two), and Green Bay, who went right from Favre to Rodgers. For 30 other teams, they've had the same kind of issue with quarterabcks the Redskins have had with quarterbacks. The Cowboys hardly went right from Aikman to Romo, they suffered through Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Henson, and Bledsoe. Teams like the Lions and Bears have actually had it far worse.

Complaining about the QB situation is old and tiring. Sure, Shanahan gutted the roster and hasn't offered a viable solution. I get that. I have been critical of him for doing that. It's not like there aren't guys out there who can play the position well who can be acquired easily if Andrew Luck proves too elusive. It's obvious to me at least that there are much bigger issues with this organization that were causing us many losses even before Shanahan got here. Those issues have not been fixed.[/quote]

Your opinion is usually spot on or at the very least plausible.

But you think saying the Redskins' quarterback situation has been abysmal the last two decades [I]doesn't hold up under scrutiny[/I]?

Bwahahahahahaaa!

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[quote=theJBexperience;880027]To get the rumor mill rolling again, I heard Bob Kravitz of The Indianapolis Star(the guy who did the Peyton Manning interview where he revealed he was unhappy w/ the Colts and paved the way for his release) on the Lebatard Show, and Kravitz gave the Skins a 25% chance of signing Peyton once he's released. He said DC was intriguing to Peyton because he remembers what Shanahan was able to with Elway late in his career, and of course, Peyton wants to go out on top with one last Super Bowl victory. Kravitz said there was an equal chance for us, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, and the Dolphins to land Peyton.[/quote]

My math makes that 20%

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[quote=alpineONE;880025]I have been "tuning in" to the Warpath for nearly 10+ years though not posting. This marks my first post.

I'm pretty excited about the prospect of picking up Bradford.

...I recall that Snyder was really keen on Bradford his draft year, and that the Skins brought him in to work him out...but as I recall he was simply ...out of reach.

Anybody else seem to remember how keen Snyder seemed to be about Bradford?[/quote]

Welcome to the board.. well.. welcome to posting anyways

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Smoot.. speaking on Peyton Manning. If he is healthy would there be interest from the Redskins?

Could he be a guarded secret around the franchise?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;880038]Smoot.. speaking on Peyton Manning. If he is healthy would there be interest from the Redskins?

Could he be a guarded secret around the franchise?[/quote]

I would be inclined to say probably not. I know of two key decision makers who don't like the idea. That's not to say they can't be convinced otherwise but right now I'd say no

And welcome to the long time readers, first time posters

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Smoot question: I know Shanny doesn't draft RBs first round but how does he feel about Trent Richardson?

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[quote=tryfuhl;880036]My math makes that 20%[/quote]

1 out of 4= 25% ;)

What day exactly does the league office open for the new year and free agency and trades can occur?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880044]Smoot question: I know Shanny doesn't draft RBs first round but how does he feel about Trent Richardson?[/quote]

Havent heard anything

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Thanks. I could def see why the execs and others would not be enamored with Manning

Arm strength and his quick release could be long term issues with the recovery from the injury. We all know he has a great head for the game and an impressive work ethic, but can that overcome possible physical skill in decline as well as lingering injury issues with him. Remember this was the guy who never missed a game in his career, but that has all changed now. He may not even be cleared to play again. It also may be a possibility that people around the league don't believe he will ever be able to recover or have a deeper understanding than we do of what is really going on with his neck.

I wish him the best unless the Cowboys give him a shot then he can go to hell. lol

That would be a real kick in the nuts if he went on the play for the Boys and won another SB.. could totally see JJ signing him in a NY minute. I am somewhat surprised that they have not shown any interest, I could see them being a sleeper team in the whole PM deal.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;880056]1 out of 4= 25% ;)

What day exactly does the league office open for the new year and free agency and trades can occur?[/quote]

March 13th.

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Eli on Peyton: "He is going to do everything he can to get back." per half time interview done by Bob Costas during the Pro Bowl. In listening to the tone of Eli's voice and words spoken it does not sound like Peyton is any where near being ready to play or even close to a point where he would be able to. There was also some doubt in his voice in talking about Peyton ever being healthy enough to play again.

BTW : The pro bowl is such a joke. Talking heads on the radio keep talking about how to create more interest in the game, start by letting them actually play football. The game is a joke. There will never be interest in this game, it does not resemble a real NFL game and it never will. The sport is to violent and the players don't feel a need to go out there and try and fight each other.

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Honestly, if we ended up taking a RB with #6, I'd be ticked. Shanahan has said Royster reminds him of a young Terrell Davis and Helu is going to be special as well. I think we're set with those guys and HT.

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[quote=NYCSkin;879971]Just a few questions to the forum re: the Bradford rumors...

[B]Wasn't Jeff Fischer motivated (at least in some part) to take the Rams job because they had a perceived franchise QB in Sam Bradford? Now he wants to trade him and take a shot with a rookie QB (presumably RGIII)?[/B]

I imagine Gregg Williams would love to have Orakpo at his 4-3 end which is probably his best fit. But with Quinn and Long on their roster already--do they even need Orakpo?

I am not opposed to trading Orakpo who in my opinion is out of his natural position and seems to have plateaued. He seems to have less upside than Kerrigan. Rob Jackson could probably nearly equal Rak's production at this point. Certainly in those Geico commercials...

Leveraging Orakpo's trade value, who is part of the Skins strongest unit (LBs), to potentially improve the most critical position on the team seems like a smart and prudent strategy.[/quote]

I am fairly confident the main reason was in Miami Fisher would have been taking orders from Jeff Ireland, where as in St. Louis he was given the keys to the city with personnel decisions.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;880008]How long until this thread intertwines with all the other threads of us getting RG3, Luck, Peyton being cut, we should draft ___, etc. etc. I'm already feeling another 45+ pager...[/quote]

IDK. VTSkins brought something different to this ... "get QB or I'm turning in my fan card" comments. He mentions he'd like to see the Skins (yet again make a change after 2 yrs) go back to a 4-3, but funny someone would want that when our defense was not the problem last year and they even played better then the year before.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;880056]1 out of 4= 25% ;)

What day exactly does the league office open for the new year and free agency and trades can occur?[/quote]

Lol did you edit a team out or am I tripping?

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Switching back to a 3-4 now would be retarded. Haslet is not going anywhere so let him get the last few pieces he needs for his side of the ball before we scrape this D. They were significantly better this year then last, and they will get better. No reason to go back now.

The more I think about Rak, I think he should be shopped. He may not be the right fit for an OLB in a 3-4. He really fell off this year even though we upgraded the whole unit.

If he is a piece we can part with to get a QB then I am all for it. We can find another player who plays as well as him quicker then we will find another QB we really like.