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[quote=SkinzWin;909337]He definitely has Cam on pro-readiness hands down. I think he also has him on timing, accuracy, and efficiency. Cam did not play in a pro ready offense and had to adjust. Cam is more of an athlete, but Luck is more polished and pro-ready.[/quote]I agree with you on the pro-readiness and timing but not on accuracy and efficiency.

Here's how I breakdown the prospects by measurables:

3 is average for a top level QB prospect
4 is above average
5 is elite

[SIZE="3"][B][U]Observables[/U][/B][/SIZE]------Newton----Luck----Griffin
[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]Deep Ball Placement[/B][/COLOR]------4-----4----------5
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Intermediate Placement[/B][/COLOR]---4-----4---------4
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Short Placement[/B][/COLOR] (touch)--3-----4----------4
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Armstrength[/B][/COLOR]--------------5-----3---------4
the ability to drive the ball with velocity
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Athleticism[/B][/COLOR]----------------5-----4--------5
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Playmaking [/B][/COLOR]----------------5------4------5
or [COLOR="DarkOrange"]*“Spontaneous genius” [/COLOR]
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Experience[/B][/COLOR]----------------3------4-------4
College playing experience/snaps
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Running/Scrambling[/B][/COLOR]--------5------3-------4
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Production/Efficiency[/B][/COLOR]-------5------5------5
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Pocket presence[/B][/COLOR]-----------5-------5------5
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Foot work/Timing[/B][/COLOR]-----------3-------5------3
The ability to execute 3-5-7 step drop rhythm/timing passing game
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Pro Ready[/B][/COLOR]------------------3-------5------3
Experience with pro-style plays, concepts, audibles and verbiage
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Size[/B][/COLOR]---------------------5---------5-------4
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Throwing motion[/B][/COLOR]----------5--------3-----3.5
[COLOR="darkred"][B]Quick Release[/B][/COLOR]------------3---------3-------4
***[quote=Bill Walsh/spontaneous genius]The single trait that separates great quarterbacks from good quarterbacks is the ability to make the great, spontaneous decision, especially at a crucial time… This is where the great quarterback uses his experience, vision, mobility and what we will call spontaneous genius. He makes something good happen. This, of course, is what we saw in Joe Montana when he pulled out those dramatic victories for Notre Dame.[/quote]



The final or total assessment depends on how you value each trait.
Some of the most important factors are intangibles factors that are both hard to quantify/compare and are virtually unknowable from our vantage point as avid fans but fans none the less.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;909345]Do you think Irsay will drag the pick-out or announce it right away. I figure are pick should take about 2 seconds.[/quote]

A young quarterback like Luck should have a deal in place before the draft much like when the Detroit Lions signed Matthew Stafford before they drafted him in 2009. If Irsay doesn't sign Luck before the draft, then that could mean that he likes RG3 over Luck and therefore will wait until when it's time to pick to select RG3.

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Cam-------Luck--------Griffin
---4---------4----------5-- [COLOR="DarkRed"][B]Deep Ball Placement[/B][/COLOR]
---4---------5----------4-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Intermediate Placement[/B][/COLOR]
---3---------4----------4-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Short Placement[/B][/COLOR]
---5--------3.5----------4 --[COLOR="darkred"][B]Armstrength[/B][/COLOR]
---5---------4----------5-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Athleticism[/B][/COLOR]
---5--------3.5---------5-- [COLOR="DarkOrange"]“Spontaneous genius” [/COLOR]
---3---------4----------4-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Experience[/B][/COLOR]
---5---------3----------4-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Running/Scrambling[/B][/COLOR]
---5---------5----------5-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Production/Efficiency[/B][/COLOR]
---5---------5----------5-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Pocket presence[/B][/COLOR]
---3---------5----------3-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Foot work/Timing[/B][/COLOR]
---3---------5----------3-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Pro Ready[/B][/COLOR]
---5---------5----------4-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Size[/B][/COLOR]
---5---------3---------3.5--[COLOR="darkred"][B]Throwing motion[/B][/COLOR]
---3---------3----------4-- [COLOR="darkred"][B]Quick Release[/B][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;909443]A young quarterback like Luck should have a deal in place before the draft much like when the Detroit Lions signed Matthew Stafford before they drafted him in 2009. If Irsay doesn't sign Luck before the draft, then that could mean that he likes RG3 over Luck and therefore will wait until when it's time to pick to select RG3.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Cam was signed prior to the draft last year. With the new slotting system there's not the urgency there used to be to get a deal done early.


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[quote=Mattyk;909454]I don't think Cam was signed prior to the draft last year. With the new slotting system there's not the urgency there used to be to get a deal done early.


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They literally weren't allowed to negotiate with cam due to the lock out. Last year wasn't a gpod measuring stick for this year.

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[quote=mbedner3420;909458]They literally weren't allowed to negotiate with cam due to the lock out. Last year wasn't a gpod measuring stick for this year.[/quote]

True, but the fact remains with the new slotting system it's much easier to get a deal done. There's little room to negotiate.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;907540]Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?[/quote]

In a heartbeat.

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[quote=Mattyk;909454]I don't think Cam was signed prior to the draft last year. With the new slotting system there's not the urgency there used to be to get a deal done early.


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You're right about Newton. And Bradford wasn't signed before he was drafted either the year before.

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[quote=Skins4L;909341]thats actually really impressive.
i wanna lock up Griffin so bad man i hate that the Colts pick before us.[/quote]

Ok, but that means nothing until he gets to the NFL...and also theres still a couple of QB's names that are on there that aren't good/busts, so yeah this statistic is still meaningless until we see Mr. Griffin come to Washington and play.

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If Robert Griffin III is drafted by the Redskins, will Jabbar Gaffney give up #10 jersey?

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;909559]If Robert Griffin III is drafted by the Redskins, will Jabbar Gaffney give up #10 jersey?[/quote]

He'll go on a Twitter :censored: tirade. LOL.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;909559]If Robert Griffin III is drafted by the Redskins, will Jabbar Gaffney give up #10 jersey?[/quote]

Most likely Gaffney won't have to because he'll be a FA.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;909559]If Robert Griffin III is drafted by the Redskins, will Jabbar Gaffney give up #10 jersey?[/quote]

I want Griffin to wear #3.

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[quote=Monkeydad;909576]I want Griffin to wear #3.[/quote]
I would love it if Griffin wears #3.
I've always thought it was a cool number for a QB.

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Idc what number he wears, as long as he's wearing a Redskins jersey.

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[quote=mooby;909588]Idc what number he wears, as long as he's wearing a Redskins jersey.[/quote]
I'm with you on that, but I was just curious if in one of Jabbar's ranks on twitter if he expressed a willingness to give up the number.

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#10 will be open pretty soon.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;909506]Ok, but that means nothing until he gets to the NFL...and also theres still a couple of QB's names that are on there that aren't good/busts, so yeah this statistic is still meaningless until we see Mr. Griffin come to Washington and play.[/quote]

i wouldnt say its meaningless. they have these things for a reason. when your selecting your 2nd pick in the draft you take all things into consideration and intelligence is defintely one of them.

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i like him 10,6,or 2

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;909643]i like him 10,6,or 2[/quote]

10, 1, 11,


All look good to me.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;909697]10, 1, 11,


All look good to me.[/quote]

[IMG]http://chriswalder26.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/robert-griffin-redskins-lombardi-e1331350723573.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.thehogs.net/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/RGIII.jpg[/IMG][IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430325_10150608313929132_693729131_9347070_42918135_n.jpg[/IMG]

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^ Very nice monkeydad


I'd like to see him wearing 2,3, 6, 12, 13 now. I'm pretty sure I'm set on him wearing 10, unless he wants to be different and wear 11 as my second choice.

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I'm pretty certain RG3 will wear #10 if it's available. With rumors of a trade involving Gaffney, that number could be available.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;909714]I'm pretty certain RG3 will wear #10 if it's available. [B]With rumors of a trade involving Gaffney, that number could be available.[/B][/quote]

Perhaps that was a condition of drafting RG3 lol

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[quote=mbedner3420;909718]Perhaps that was a condition of drafting RG3 lol[/quote]

I hope the Redskins front office aren't considering trading Gaffney because of some unprofessional twitter argument that he had with Lito Sheppard. From an organizational standpoint, is that regarded as unprofessional? I don't think so. It's not like he punched Mike Shanahan in the face during practice. Antonio Bryant hit Parcells and managed to remain with the Cowboys.

If they just feel Gaffney is trade bait regardless of the situation, then that's fine. But to trade him away for some non football related issue is ridiculous.

I highly doubt it's just because of Twitter beef.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;909741]I hope the Redskins front office aren't considering trading Gaffney because of some unprofessional twitter argument that he had with Lito Sheppard. From an organizational standpoint, is that regarded as unprofessional? I don't think so. It's not like he punched Mike Shanahan in the face during practice. Antonio Bryant hit Parcells and managed to remain with the Cowboys.

If they just feel Gaffney is trade bait regardless of the situation, then that's fine. But to trade him away for some non football related issue is ridiculous.[/quote]

Select loyal readers of this site know the Redskins decided over a month ago that they were ready to move on from Gaffney

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[QUOTE=mooby;909748]I highly doubt it's just because of Twitter beef.[/QUOTE]

What about roast beef?

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[quote=SmootSmack;909753]Select loyal readers of this site know the Redskins decided over a month ago that they were ready to move on from Gaffney[/quote]

What's the FO thinking behind it SS? I've read/heard the arguments Gaffney has no place in the line-up w/ Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Moss etc all on the roster. But the other side of it is Hank and Morgan are big ? because of their injuries and Garcon isn't much better statistically than Gaffney, except Gaffney knows our system already. Was there a conflict w/ Gaffney?

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[quote=The Goat;909776]What's the FO thinking behind it SS? I've read/heard the arguments Gaffney has no place in the line-up w/ Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Moss etc all on the roster. But the other side of it is Hank and Morgan are big ? because of their injuries and Garcon isn't much better statistically than Gaffney, except Gaffney knows our system already. Was there a conflict w/ Gaffney?[/quote]

Part of it is they don't feel he has much upside and is kind of dime a dozen, he's not going to do much more than catch the ball. Which is fine and all, but is it enough?

Another part of it, supposedly, is that they also think he sulked and half-assed his routes a few times last year. I can't confirm nor particularly recollect any occasional moments when this happened.

I have been hearing that they really do want to give Austin another chance and give Paul/Robinson more of a shot and they blame Keenan more for their lack of development than the players themselves

The first part of it though is mainly the biggest reason

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Gaffney has been trade bait for over a month now... His numbers weren't overwhelming, didn't make/gain yards after the catch, 2.65 mil salary, the signing of both Garcon and Morgan added with a healthy Hankerson, as opposed to other reasons... The twitter tirade didn't help, but the decision on Gaffney was made a few months prior... He's not the young, explosive, playmaking WR .

Read Shanahan's quote from last December... It briefly, but strongly entails what he wants in his WR's.


[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/55460/redskins-looking-for-more-yac]Redskins looking for more YAC? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]

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All I can say is our FO better be right about Hank (healthy?), Morgan (healthy?) and Garcon (consistent?). Moss seems like a sure thing for 2012, and possibly even the most productive WR on our roster at season's end?

If Hank and/or Morgan are limited and Garcon (think about the contract here) is a younger, less experienced (system-wise) Gaffney I'm gonna ask for resignations :)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;909741]I hope the Redskins front office aren't considering trading Gaffney because of some unprofessional twitter argument that he had with Lito Sheppard. From an organizational standpoint, is that regarded as unprofessional? I don't think so. It's not like he punched Mike Shanahan in the face during practice. Antonio Bryant hit Parcells and managed to remain with the Cowboys.

If they just feel Gaffney is trade bait regardless of the situation, then that's fine. But to trade him away for some non football related issue is ridiculous.[/quote]

We have too many wr's. Someone is going to have to go.

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[quote=SmootSmack;909779]Part of it is they don't feel he has much upside and is kind of dime a dozen, he's not going to do much more than catch the ball. Which is fine and all, but is it enough?

Another part of it, supposedly, is that they also think he sulked and half-assed his routes a few times last year. I can't confirm nor particularly recollect any occasional moments when this happened.

I have been hearing that they really do want to give Austin another chance and give Paul/Robinson more of a shot and they blame Keenan more for their lack of development than the players themselves

The first part of it though is mainly the biggest reason[/quote]

Is Moss in trouble? If one of the younger guys pushes him, I think he could be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;909813]We have too many wr's. Someone is going to have to go.[/quote]

One of the rare occasions I agree with Skinsfan69 here.

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Not that anyone expected any differently...

[URL="https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/192975890211287040"]Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter[/URL]
"No great surprise, it's what most expected, but Colts have told Andrew Luck they will take him with the No. 1 overall pick, per NFL source."

I am sure someone will created a thread just for this and it will be posted as breaking news for like 6 times (With me possibly doing it already).

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I saw an article that said the Colts told A. Luck he was going to be their pick!

:cheeky-sm

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[quote=skinsfan69;909815]Is Moss in trouble? If one of the younger guys pushes him, I think he could be.[/quote]

I think he probably stays another year, but as the #3 or 4 if things go as the Skins like

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[quote=Ruhskins;909826]Not that anyone expected any differently...

[URL="https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/192975890211287040"]Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter[/URL]
"No great surprise, it's what most expected, but Colts have told Andrew Luck they will take him with the No. 1 overall pick, per NFL source."

I am sure someone will created a thread just for this and it will be posted as breaking news for like 6 times (With me possibly doing it already).[/quote]

Shocker.

I'm going to be sad when the draft is over and we don't have any more nervous-nellie fans on Twitter wondering "oh what will we ever do if the Colts take RG3?"

LOL

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Did you guys hear? Colts said they take Luck! First!