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[quote=RedskinRat;1002873]About 100% correct:

[IMG]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/47630_474401828935_4648430_n.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

The link nogods explains this stupid graph.

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[quote=firstdown;1003044]The link nogods explains this stupid graph.[/quote]

cool, unfortunately I cant access facebook at work, so couldnt check it out.

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[quote=firstdown;1002956]Seems Obama's ventures in the Middles East have not helped any. As a fact the ones we helped the most hate us the most.
[URL="http://money.msn.com/investing/5-countries-that-hate-america-most"]5 countries that hate America most- MSN Money[/URL][/quote]

They hated us before we knew they hated us.

Oh, and this ain't helping:

[IMG]http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-50863389838911_2258_163575057[/IMG]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1003045]cool, unfortunately I cant access facebook at work, so couldnt check it out.[/quote]

I didn't look I just noticed it at the bottom of the page.

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This never ceases to make me roll my eyes:

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/bangladesh-workers-survivor-factory-rubble-104205204.html"]Bangladesh workers find survivor in factory rubble[/URL]

[I]DHAKA, Bangladesh (AP) -- A seamstress buried in the wreckage of a collapsed garment factory building for 17 days was rescued Friday, a miraculous moment set against a scene of unimaginable horror, where the death toll shot past 1,000.

Reshma survived, in remarkably good shape, by eating dried food that was in her area and drinking spare amounts of water with her. She was discovered on the second floor of the eight-story Rana Plaza building, where crews have been focused on recovering bodies, not rescuing survivors, for much of the past two weeks. [/I]

And the most hilarious part?

[I]Hundreds of people who had been engaged in the grim job of removing decomposing bodies from the site raised their hands together in prayer for her survival.

"Allah, you are the greatest, you can do anything. Please allow us all to rescue the survivor just found," said a man on a loudspeaker leading the supplicants. "We seek apology for our sins. Please pardon us, pardon the person found alive."
[/I]

Mother****er, you need to be thanking the volunteers pulling the rubble aside! Anyone else find it laughable that a deity gets all the props and very little condemnation for allowing shoddy workplace safety? Religious types, not too bright.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1002470]Its' Muslim, not moslem... or did you deliberately use the pejorative form of the word because of your obvious discrimination and hatred of people of the religion?


Rat and Alvin:

Your hatred of people, regardless of race or religion, who condone abuse of women in all its forms (domestic violence, rape, mutilation, etc.) is morally justified. I'm 100% with you on that. But judging a billion people in the middle east (the majority of whom are muslims) based on the actions/attitudes of a small minority is cookie cutter racism.

You want to say you dont prejudge people of the middle east and only muslims, then you are a "religious discriminator." Its no different than racism and just as ugly.

Islam doesnt teach that its ok to rape and beat women or perform FGM... thats just a small portion of people who happen to live in those countries and claim to be muslim. Judging the majority of people in those countries based on those few is overt discrimination.

How would you feel if someone beleived you were a "god hates fags" soldier funeral protester just because you lived in the US?

Discrimination is ugly in all its forms. Your comments show you are prejudiced against people from the middle east and/or Muslims. Im ashamed that others here seem to share your ignorant and hateful views.[/quote]


[url=http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2013/05/24/pkg-sayah-egypt-undercover-harrassment.cnn#/video/world/2013/05/24/pkg-sayah-egypt-undercover-harrassment.cnn]CNN Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com[/url]

pretty aggressive, seems to be a problem there.

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Some big time unrest in the land of Turkey. Huge riots and demonstrations going on.


[url=http://vimeo.com/67432788]90 SANÄ°YEDE DÄ°RÄ°LÄ°Åž VIDEOSU! on Vimeo[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/DirenGezi/status/340543532668432384/photo/1[/url]


[url]http://i.imgur.com/y8IiH8y.jpg[/url]



A whole lot more info on the riots in Turkey. (title is misleading so ignore the title)

[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ffo2c/the_islamist_government_of_turkey_is_about_to/]The Islamist government of turkey is about to fall. Minute by minute updates. : worldnews[/url]



As typical, a majority of our news outlets are not covering it. /facepalm

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Hey look, Reuters decided to join the party. Shit has hit the fan in Turkey.

[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/01/us-turkey-protests-idUSBRE94U0J920130601]Turkish PM calls for immediate end to protests as clashes flare | Reuters[/url]

[quote]
The unrest was triggered by government plans for a replica Ottoman-era barracks housing shops or apartments in Istanbul's Taksim Square, long a venue for political protest, but has widened into a broader show of defiance against Erdogan and his Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP).[/quote]

I think the people are tired of the Islamic bullshit.



[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/01/turkey-protests-clashes-b_n_3370704.html?utm_hp_ref=uk?ncid=GEP]Turkey Protests: Clashes Between Activists And Police Continue Into Second Day (VIDEO, PICTURES)[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1003038]Pretty funny, but i take issue with the chart indicating there are no smart or awesome Christians or Muslims or that an Athiest cannot be narrowminded or judgemental. I also thnk "Hypocritical" should have been in large, bold font and underlined for Christians.

I'll give it 80% correct.[/quote]Considering this chart is about what people search for and say about themselves and other people, the chart is pretty incriminating against self-avowed atheists.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/23/world/asia/pakistan-acid-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t3]Actress in critical condition after acid attack in Pakistan - CNN.com[/url]

[url=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pakistani-actress-injured-in-acid-attack/1132727/]Pakistani actress injured in acid attack - Indian Express[/url]

"Bushra's brother Pervez Khan lodged a complaint with the police against film producer Shaukat Khan was behind the attack as the actress had turned down his marriage proposal.

Acid attacks on women, especially by men they have spurned, are common across Pakistan despite the amendment of a law to increase the punishment for such assaults."

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[quote=Chico23231;1013109]Acid attacks on women, especially by men they have spurned, are common across Pakistan despite the amendment of a law to increase the punishment for such assaults."[/quote]

Not sure why they are still considered men. Laws don't stop people, you need societal pressure.

Until women are treated as equal this will continue. Same with the rape travesty.

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And it doesn't help when religion supports and advocates for ugly practices:

[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22958512"]'Circumcision controls women's sex common sense' - Sheikh Yussef al-Badri[/URL]

[I]Female genital mutilation was made illegal in Egypt in 2008 but is still very widely practiced. Some estimates suggest over 75% of women, Muslim and Christian, still have had the procedure in some areas of the country.

Debate on the subject has re-opened after the recent death of a 13-year-old girl while having the operation. Studies have also documented cases of serious health and psychological complications.

Sheikh Yussef al-Badri is one of Egypt's biggest advocates for what he refers to as female circumcision, and has petitioned the country's courts to make it legal again.

He told Aleem Maqbool that it removed a woman's "need for man".[/I]

Apparently men can't be trusted to control themselves.

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Riots in Egypt, here we go!

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The encouraging thing in Egypt is the youth there are not bout this Muslim Brotherhood life. They are rallying to say no to a conservative islamic state. Gotta give them props

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1013718]The encouraging thing in Egypt is the youth there are not bout this Muslim Brotherhood life. They are rallying to say no to a conservative islamic state. Gotta give them props[/QUOTE]

There is hope

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link?

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HBO on-demand has a 41 minute oscar winning documentary called "saving faces" on victims of acid attacks in pakistan.

cool quick view.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1013726]link?[/quote]

I resent being your unpaid Paralegal, sir!

[URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/201362810747104485.html"]Egypt[/URL]

[I]Clashes have broken out in the Egyptian city of Alexandria between anti- and pro-government supporters that have left at least one dead and more than 80 wounded, according to the state news agency MENA.[/I]
[I]The country's interior ministry confirmed on Friday that the man was a US citizen and died from a stab wound to the chest while taking pictures of the clashes.[/I]
[I]Some anti-government protesters set fire to the local headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party in the Sidi Gaber area of the city.[/I]
[I]Violence also broke out in other parts of the country with reports of attacks on Muslim Brotherhood offices in several cities and governorates, including Gharbiya, Daqahliyah and Kafr el-Sheikh.[/I]
[I]Earlier, several thousand protesters marched along the Alexandria's seafront complaining mainly about economic stagnation.[/I]
[I]"There are no services, we can't find diesel or gasoline. We elected [President Mohamed] Morsi, but this is enough," said 42-year-old accountant Mohamed Abdel Latif.[/I]

You know it's bad when an accountant gets rioty.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1013726]link?[/quote]

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood/index.html?hpt=hp_t2]Egyptian troops deployed to keep order after attacks - CNN.com[/url]

an american killed as well

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Now Morsi is equally unliked, but removing him power could be seen a major step backwards for the revolution. After all, Morsi — as he is quick to point out — was democratically elected. If he can be forced out by violent protests or military order, then what kind of democracy does Egypt really have? The people want him gone, but are they willing to do so at the cost of giving power back to a military that can order a president around? The world now waits for his answer.

^^^i found this section of an article fairly enlightening.

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Morsi is a Moslem Brotherhood stooge. He should never have been elected.

Democracy isn't compatible with islam.

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[quote=Lotus;1014207]If you read my links,[/quote]

I'd be asleep by now.... I've read a multitude of those links before and it's mostly anti-Israeli nonsense.

[quote=Lotus;1014207]... you would see that I provided numbers including 200,000. If you read my links, you would find information on Israeli human rights violations from Nobel-prize-winning Amnesty International, not the OIC.[/quote]

You're talking about the same group that gave Mr. Obama a prize, right? Must be worth having.

[quote=Lotus;1014207]But fine, have it your way: [/quote]

Thanks, I will. Your figure, like a lot of your bombastic effluence, is merely to flush away the timid. I'm sure it works on the drones you're pretending to educate.

[quote=Lotus;1014207]....there are 143,000 Palestinian Christians who face the same human rights violations that Palestinian Muslims face. So, to bring this discussion back to its start, we know that calling out Israel for its human rights violations has NOTHING to do with being pro-Islam, as you previously stated.[/quote]

Yes, it does, and for you to state otherwise shows an infantile grasp of the situation or a devious approach to truth of the matter. Which is it?

[quote=Lotus;1014207] Instead, calling out Israel and questioning American involvement has everything to do with justice.[/quote]

Examining the facts and responding to them, sure. Shouldn't we call out the Palestinians aggressors also, or have you already decided they get a clean bill of health?

[quote=Lotus;1014207]Please learn about the issue before you pontificate more.[/quote]

You were incorrect, I corrected you and yet you say I need to learn more? Sure thing, Prof.....

[quote=Lotus;1014207]Matty and NC, I heard you. I'm done.[/quote]

Not bright enough to redirect a thread post. :laughing2

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Hundreds of protesters in Egypt aim laser pointers at a military helicopter[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOL8AD-CMAAcsOB.jpg:large[/IMG]

and Mursi says(per yahoonews twitter)
Mursi spokesman says president would rather "die like a standing tree" than step down. Updates: [url]http://bit.ly/14Q9AGh[/url]

Talk about things getting real.

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They sure love laser pointers over there eh?

I'm never sure if it's a Pink Floyd show or just a protest.

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[quote=Mattyk;1014257]I'm never sure if it's a Pink Floyd show or just a protest.[/quote]

Just measure the ambient THC content, that's a great indicator.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1014213]I'd be asleep by now.... I've read a multitude of those links before and it's mostly anti-Israeli nonsense.

You're talking about the same group that gave Mr. Obama a prize, right? Must be worth having.

Thanks, I will. Your figure, like a lot of your bombastic effluence, is merely to flush away the timid. I'm sure it works on the drones you're pretending to educate.

Yes, it does, and for you to state otherwise shows an infantile grasp of the situation or a devious approach to truth of the matter. Which is it?

Examining the facts and responding to them, sure. Shouldn't we call out the Palestinians aggressors also, or have you already decided they get a clean bill of health?

You were incorrect, I corrected you and yet you say I need to learn more? Sure thing, Prof.....

Not bright enough to redirect a thread post. :laughing2[/quote]

I am amazed at how radical people in this country are about this conflict and how much pro-Isreali sentiment dominates this country and its politics to the point that it is pretty much taboo to say anything against it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1014268]I am amazed at how radical people in this country are about this conflict and how much pro-Isreali sentiment dominates this country and its politics to the point that it is pretty much taboo to say anything against it.[/quote]

I'm pro-Israel because I've worked with a few Israeli commandos, they've always been solid chaps.

I've been around some Arabs from the area who have relocated to Dearborn MI and they were hateful ****ers.

We're talking a country surrounded by self-confessed enemies, and yet still thrives.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1014272]I'm pro-Israel because I've worked with a few Israeli commandos, they've always been solid chaps.

I've been around some Arabs from the area who have relocated to Dearborn MI and they were hateful ****ers.

We're talking a country surrounded by self-confessed enemies, and yet still thrives.[/quote]

I've had the chance to talk to ordinary people from both sides that have suffered because of this conflict. This includes an Israeli professor who has lived through the terror of terrorist attacks and a Palestinian professor whose house was attacked by anti-tank missiles by the IDF. They are actually both friends and co-taught a class at my university regarding this conflict.

I learned a lot though this class, including that there are a lot of people on both sides that wish to have peace. I have also learned how biased US media is on this conflict, and how radical people are in this country. It is amazing how people can developed such sentiments without living under the conditions that both Israelis and Palestinians live, and this makes me pessimistic about this conflict ever having a peaceful ending.

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‏@BreakingNews 3m

Report: Egypt's army erects barbed wire, barriers around barracks where President Morsi working, witnesses say - @Reuters
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‏@BreakingNews 6m

Armored vehicles seen outside Cairo University in Egypt - @AJELive (fixes typo)
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1014310]‏@BreakingNews 3m

Report: Egypt's army erects barbed wire, barriers around barracks where President Morsi working, witnesses say - @Reuters
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‏@BreakingNews 6m

Armored vehicles seen outside Cairo University in Egypt - @AJELive (fixes typo)
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So much for democracy in Egypt.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1014315]So much for democracy in Egypt.[/quote]

Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews 9m

Communication with Egypt's President Morsi has been cut off as reported military coup continues - @NBCNews

Yep. One of the things about the US, which I always am amazed at, is the total commitment by the military to the ideal of civilian control. As large as the bureacracy of the military is, the top brass don't just offer lip service to that, they truly buy into it. It is one of the few trusts in US society which I feel hasn't ever been broken, and one which very few other societies really comprehend. The Egyptian military may very well be acting on behalf of alot of the public, but, it's still acting outside of democratic principles. I don't think they get the difference. And that's a shame.

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Making the Egyptian scene murkier is the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood wrote the constitution and made it Brotherhood- rather than democracy-friendly. So, from the standpoint of many non-Brotherhood Egyptians, Egypt hasn't yet had democracy, as it was usurped by Morsi et.al. Throwing out Morsi with the army, from this point of view, is pro-democracy, not anti-democracy.

I'm not making an argument of my own, just mentioning the muddy waters.

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[quote=Lotus;1014323]Making the Egyptian scene murkier is the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood wrote the constitution and made it Brotherhood- rather than democracy-friendly. So, from the standpoint of many non-Brotherhood Egyptians, Egypt hasn't yet had democracy, as it was usurped by Morsi et.al. Throwing out Morsi with the army, from this point of view, is pro-democracy, not anti-democracy.

I'm not making an argument of my own, just mentioning the muddy waters.[/quote]

Interesting Lotus, and I admit I haven't followed it close, so I am just feeding off what Twitter feeds me. Here's my latest snack:

@AP 25m

BREAKING: Egypt's military chief says president is replaced by chief justice of constitutional court -MM
Retweeted by Laura E. Davis
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If they actually do instill a democratic process, and then back out, it would be a good thing. Remember we went through a period under the Articles of Confederation where we didn't "get it right" either. Finding the right balance of military/civilian/politico's is tough to do, for any society.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1014351]Interesting Lotus, and I admit I haven't followed it close, so I am just feeding off what Twitter feeds me. Here's my latest snack:

@AP 25m

BREAKING: Egypt's military chief says president is replaced by chief justice of constitutional court -MM
Retweeted by Laura E. Davis
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If they actually do instill a democratic process, and then back out, it would be a good thing. Remember we went through a period under the Articles of Confederation where we didn't "get it right" either. Finding the right balance of military/civilian/politico's is tough to do, for any society.[/quote]

That's very good news. If it were a pure military coup, a general would now be President.

Hopefully this will be a wake-up call for the Islamic world. Islamist politics have their attraction to many Muslims, just as we have people here attracted to pro-Christian politics. But the economic and social history of Islamists in positions of power has been poor in recent decades. Muslim politicians with Islamist agendas typically don't know how to run a thriving economy and this was true for Morsi in Egypt. Egypt's problems could, by reaction, expand the numbers of political secularists across the Muslim world, where you vote for the guy with money sense rather than for the guy thumping his Qur'an.

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Part of them forming a new government. Millitary ensuring that their is minority protection under majority rule.

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[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23173794#FBM258326]BBC News - Egyptian army suspends constitution[/url]


[IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1025680_10151459738822217_1670873458_o.jpg[/IMG]


We should be doing the same thing to our shitty government. **** Congress.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1014358][url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23173794#FBM258326]BBC News - Egyptian army suspends constitution[/url]


[IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1025680_10151459738822217_1670873458_o.jpg[/IMG]


We should be doing the same thing to our shitty government. **** Congress.[/quote]

We tried, it was called Occupy Wall Street and the majority of the population didn't cared or listened. Then again, people in Egypt faced issues far worst than anything that will ever happen in this country.

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[url=http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/]Al Jazeera English – Live News Streaming[/url]

Live broadcast going on.



[quote=Ruhskins;1014363]We tried, it was called Occupy Wall Street and the majority of the population didn't cared or listened. Then again, people in Egypt faced issues far worst than anything that will ever happen in this country.[/quote]

It didn't help that our media wanted to paint them as some college kid hippies wanting a free handout. They had a vested interest not to support the movement. **** our corporate media.

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Looks like the Egyptians know what's up.

[url=http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/07/15-photos-from-tahrir-square-protests.html]Doug Ross @ Journal: 15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You'll Never See In Legacy Media. #Egypt #Morsi #Obama[/url]



A good Q&A article about the happenings going on in Egypt.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23146910]BBC News - Q&A: Egypt military ousts Morsi[/url]



My favorite one:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LSjA4VNToLo/UdSqsg3bMLI/AAAAAAABNUM/Qu8S2UZJWY0/s534/130703-egypt.jpg[/IMG]




[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/03/law-says-the-u-s-is-required-to-cut-aid-after-coups-will-it/]Law says the U.S. is required to cut aid after coups. Will it?[/url]

My guess is we do not. They need to buy off the next guy that leads.

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This 12 year old Egyptian kid is smarter than a majority of the American people.


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