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[quote=punch it in;941985]Still just a selfish sean taylor wanna be. I dont care how weak our safeties may be i wouldnt take landry back for a bag of beans.[/quote]

ditto. Gomes has been a pleasant surprise and Williams is serviceable.

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[quote=GTripp0012;942031]Part because of poor personnel decisions, and part because of some awful injury luck, our defense is completely cooked. Likely looking at a bottom five unit by most measures.[/quote]

Sunday's defensive performance looked like 2010 all over again, indeed. I still think the front seven could be a solid unit, but that doesn't matter if Haslett doesn't get it together.

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/09/the-depth-chart-post-rak-and-carriker.html]The depth chart, post-Rak and Carriker - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

[QUOTE]Defensive line

Starters: RE Jarvis Jenkins, NT Barry Cofield, LE Stephen Bowen
Reserves: E Kedric Golston, E Worthington, NT Chris Baker

Jenkins gets his big opportunity and there is no reason to think that he won’t handle it well. After all, the Redskins drafted him in the second round to take over for Carriker at some point and that might have been this year had Jenkins’ not missed all of last season with a torn ACL.

This is not to say that there won’t be a dropoff with Carriker out, at least in the short term. He was the starter for a reason and Jenkins is far from a finished product.

Jenkins still might fill in to give Cofield a rest in nickel situations while Baker, who was inactive in the first two games, will rotate in at NT on some running downs. Golston moves up to being the top reserve at DE.

Linebacker

Starters: OLB’s Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson; ILB’s Perry Riley, London Fletcher
Reserves: OLB’s White, Chris Wilson; ILB’s Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson

The Redskins have been an anomaly in the NFL in that their four linebackers stay on the field for virtually every snap. That could change as the Redskins want to give both Jackson and Wilson at shot at winning Orakpo’s job. They could end up rotating situationally as they determine the strengths and weaknesses of each.

The other reserve linebackers will continue to do what they have done, play special teams and wait to see if their opportunity comes up. [/QUOTE]

Honestly this is what quality depth gives you. While Rak and Carriker were the starters for clear reasons, I tend to think that with time the reserves will step up and show themselves well.

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Wilson was a preseason beast. Let's hope he can step it up while the real lights are on.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942074]It doesn't ease mine. Even with the Rams having 3 starters out on their OL, we STILL couldn't generate any pressure.[/quote]

Seriously. They were playing a third string LT at one point. What would ease my mind is if a second opinion said Rak would be playing next week. Happy for White, but I wouldnt call him an impact player.

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No one is talking about how rare it was for Bradford to have deep drops. He was getting the ball out so quick, even the best blitzing team wouldn't get to him.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;942191]No one is talking about how rare it was for Bradford to have deep drops. He was getting the ball out so quick, even the best blitzing team wouldn't get to him.[/QUOTE]

They have been his while career though. I mean ill blame the amendola crap on that but on some other throws he had all tge time in the world?

Alot of passes were quick release and I blame our poor coverage/scheme for them to keep hitting us with them, but our inability to get to Bradford cannot be overlooked. I think the best blitzing teams would have gotten to him or atleast hurried him into alittle less accuracy.

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Why isn't Lorenzo getting a shot at OLB? Does his skill set not match the position?

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[quote=Kindoy;942230]Why isn't Lorenzo getting a shot at OLB? Does his skill set not match the position?[/quote]

He's already playing ILB and you have Wilson, Jackson and White.

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[quote=Kindoy;942230]Why isn't Lorenzo getting a shot at OLB? Does his skill set not match the position?[/quote]

He could play OLB but someone with more speed would be more ideal IMO.

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Glad to have White back. He makes the competition for Raks spot that much stronger. Wouldn't mind seeing him at DE occasionally on passing downs either.

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[quote=53Fan;942248]Glad to have White back. He makes the competition for Raks spot that much stronger. Wouldn't mind seeing him at DE occasionally on passing downs either.[/quote]

I like him better than Jackson and Wilson.

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Trying to make the best of a bad situation. Now is the time to implement a new defensive scheme in my opinion. Why not go with a 4 man front of Kerrigan-Bowen-Cofield-Jackson with steady substitutions?

I'd like to see more nickel as a base D with Crawford as the primary n-back. Teams are passing over 60% of the time, and a 4-2-5 would seem to be a better fit in today's game. Gomes or Meriweather would be used as a hybrid linebacker-safety to stop the running game and cover the tight end.

Also now is be the time to go with a steady press-man cover scheme with Wilson covering the #1, Crawford-Griffin #2, and Hall the slot or back. Having 2 safeties gives protection against the deep ball still, and Hall is always in position to blitz or help with run support. Have to disrupt receivers' patterns to throw timing off, and play a more aggressive, physical brand of football without all out blitzes leaving the secondary vulnerable.

It's all about utilizing talent with positive matchups. Keeping the 4 man front fresh throughout the game while minimizing linebacker coverage responsibilities seems the best fit for the current roster in my honest opinion.

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what the hell are you guys talking about with WR talk .. and since when is losing RAK not a big deal ? I mean WTF seriously ..Skins' fans are starting to piss me off on this site ... like all the hating on everyone week to week ... dude we have a good defense .. obviously the Rams we were snake bit but losing those 2 players is a huge loss .. i agree w/ Jenkins it's his time to shine .. but Rak come on, that dude was straight up beast mode. Don't sound like a bunch of fair weather fans jesus. I'm on a flight from AZ as we type and I'll be 6 rows deep in the endzone to see the home opener. You don't think the other 90,000 people will give our D some noise and crank this bitch up. Calm up people. And I do agree w/ Banks, he's just pissing me off more and more. That being said, he'll probably break 2 back for tD's this weekend cause that's what he does.

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DC to AZ I agree with you.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=punch it in;942205]They have been his while career though. I mean ill blame the amendola crap on that but on some other throws he had all tge time in the world?

Alot of passes were quick release and I blame our poor coverage/scheme for them to keep hitting us with them, but our inability to get to Bradford cannot be overlooked. I think the best blitzing teams would have gotten to him or atleast hurried him into alittle less accuracy.[/quote]

Sometimes a QB is going to have time to throw the ball. Even the best don't put pressure on the QB 24/7.. Bradford quick release and drops was the reason he wasn't getting sacked. We were not pressing the WR's so it's easy to throw a 5 yard hitch or slant and watch your WR run for 4-8 more.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;942191]No one is talking about how rare it was for Bradford to have deep drops. He was getting the ball out so quick, even the best blitzing team wouldn't get to him.[/quote] that's when a good defense starts pressing the WRs. We didn't do that.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;942253]what the hell are you guys talking about with WR talk .. and since when is losing RAK not a big deal ? I mean WTF seriously ..Skins' fans are starting to piss me off on this site ... like all the hating on everyone week to week ... dude we have a good defense .. obviously the Rams we were snake bit but losing those 2 players is a huge loss .. i agree w/ Jenkins it's his time to shine .. but Rak come on, that dude was straight up beast mode. Don't sound like a bunch of fair weather fans jesus. I'm on a flight from AZ as we type and I'll be 6 rows deep in the endzone to see the home opener. You don't think the other 90,000 people will give our D some noise and crank this bitch up. Calm up people. And I do agree w/ Banks, he's just pissing me off more and more. That being said, he'll probably break 2 back for tD's this weekend cause that's what he does.[/quote]

What is really funny on here is if you are just a crappy role player or 3rd stinger and you get hurt. OMG! People will go off on here that he was the most important element of the team (see our Safety situation). Yet when a legit star quality player like Rak goes down it is oh well not a big lost. Rak was on the decline; guy was not living up to hype, etc....:doh:

I just shake my head on here many days.

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Rak is a great player and it's a terrible loss..but I'm not ready to give up on the season over losing one player. We have 14 games left and unlike the past we have some quality depth. Make it work Haslett. That's what your'e being paid for.

[QUOTE=jdc65;942252]Trying to make the best of a bad situation. Now is the time to implement a new defensive scheme in my opinion. Why not go with a 4 man front of Kerrigan-Bowen-Cofield-Jackson with steady substitutions?

I'd like to see more nickel as a base D with Crawford as the primary n-back. Teams are passing over 60% of the time, and a 4-2-5 would seem to be a better fit in today's game. Gomes or Meriweather would be used as a hybrid linebacker-safety to stop the running game and cover the tight end.

Also now is be the time to go with a steady press-man cover scheme with Wilson covering the #1, Crawford-Griffin #2, and Hall the slot or back. Having 2 safeties gives protection against the deep ball still, and Hall is always in position to blitz or help with run support. Have to disrupt receivers' patterns to throw timing off, and play a more aggressive, physical brand of football without all out blitzes leaving the secondary vulnerable.

It's all about utilizing talent with positive matchups. Keeping the 4 man front fresh throughout the game while minimizing linebacker coverage responsibilities seems the best fit for the current roster in my honest opinion.[/QUOTE]

Please forward this to jim haslettusdownagain

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[quote=punch it in;942338]Please forward this to jim haslettusdownagain[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=jdc65;942252]Trying to make the best of a bad situation. Now is the time to implement a new defensive scheme in my opinion. Why not go with a 4 man front of Kerrigan-Bowen-Cofield-Jackson with steady substitutions?

I'd like to see more nickel as a base D with Crawford as the primary n-back. Teams are passing over 60% of the time, and a 4-2-5 would seem to be a better fit in today's game. Gomes or Meriweather would be used as a hybrid linebacker-safety to stop the running game and cover the tight end.

Also now is be the time to go with a steady press-man cover scheme with Wilson covering the #1, Crawford-Griffin #2, and Hall the slot or back. Having 2 safeties gives protection against the deep ball still, and Hall is always in position to blitz or help with run support. Have to disrupt receivers' patterns to throw timing off, and play a more aggressive, physical brand of football without all out blitzes leaving the secondary vulnerable.

It's all about utilizing talent with positive matchups. Keeping the 4 man front fresh throughout the game while minimizing linebacker coverage responsibilities seems the best fit for the current roster in my honest opinion.[/quote]

It's a solid argument. Our dline personnel are undoubtedly (still) better suited for a 4-3 defense, and the LB group would be an easy switch back as London is the key to it anyway.

I remember putting three safeties on the field for certain packages in years past too. Was it under Blache or Haslett?

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[quote=The Goat;942390]It's a solid argument. Our dline personnel are undoubtedly (still) better suited for a 4-3 defense, and the LB group would be an easy switch back as London is the key to it anyway.

[B]I remember putting three safeties on the field for certain packages in years past too. Was it under Blache or Haslett?[/B][/quote]

Blache's Cobra package.

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[quote=Lotus;942404]Blache's Cobra package.[/quote]

Ahhhh good memory sir. Was it successful? I seem to remember guys around here liking it...

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[quote=punch it in;942338]Please forward this to jim haslettusdownagain[/quote]

Yes, this defense is a mess, but I think the scheme should be better utiliized to minimize the coverage deficiencies. The league has caught on to what Haslett is about, and exploiting his scheming and playcalling in my honest opinion. He's not fooling anyone, and the back end players aren't good enough to overcome being outcoached.

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Run defense has been solid on average thus far. I don't really think it's as easy as swithing to the 4-3. Guys just need to dig deeper. That's leadership's responsibility to motivate.

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[quote=The Goat;942390]It's a solid argument. Our dline personnel are undoubtedly (still) better suited for a 4-3 defense, and the LB group would be an easy switch back as London is the key to it anyway.

I remember putting three safeties on the field for certain packages in years past too. Was it under Blache or Haslett?[/quote]

I agree, they need a 4 man front with this group, whether the ends are standing or touching dirt. The team is effective against the run, but not at all against the pass. This team would be better with 3 corners I think, given the roster.

Blache used 3 corners in 08 mostly, using Springs or Hall replacing linebacker M.Washington frequently, and that was the last good defensive team. They have pretty much stunk since then, but this year is an abomination. Blache used 3 safeties more in 09, but they were not nearly as good.

I have to say, from a personnel standpoint, that this roster is better than the 2008 defensive roster in my honest opinion. It is more of a passing league now however, and that is why I would implement a 4-2-5 as a base. Robinson can come in as a 3rd linebacker on occasion, but Riley and Fletch are every down players.