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I disagree that it was a minor move -- I mean we went into last season with him as the starter

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we went into last season with Rex as the starter

Regardless, still think it was small potatoes on the grand scale

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[quote=SmootSmack;978103]we went into last season with Rex as the starter

Regardless, still think it was small potatoes on the grand scale[/quote]

In the grand scheme of things: The NFL was in a lockout. They didn't see a guy they liked enough to waste resources. Decided to wait, and damned if it hasn't been the best damn thing to happen to this franchise in a long fn time.

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^^^ Ding ding ding ... we have a winner.

They took a stab at the QB position with McNabb - it didn't work out. Was it a bad move? In hindsight, absolutely. At the time, I wasn't against it.

Beck and Grossman were the non-moves of the decade. If not for them, we have Gabbert.

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Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games

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So going back to 2011, who would you have brought in to play QB?

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[quote=SmootSmack;978074]I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.

Anyhow, carry on[/quote]

It's not the trade. It's Mike Shanahan saying "he'd put his reputation" on John Beck being a good QB. He actualy tried to sell that nonsense to the fans. WTF was he looking at that made him think Beck could play? But that's all in the past. Hopefully we're headed in the right direction, but I can't say I'm 100% on board simply because of a 5 game win steak.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;978112]Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games[/quote]

See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.

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[quote=Skinzman;978137]See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.[/quote]

I agree. If we had drafted Gabbert, Ponder, or traded up for Locker our franchise probably would have been handicapped for another 3-4 years, similar to Jason Campbell or Ramsey picks for the skins, because that is what happens when you reach for quarterbacks (the Jets are a perfect example). One offseason/draft will not and would not have fixed the Redskins, we are still a couple of more moves from being true contenders for the superbowl, nice seeing the pieces being built though. It is a lot easier when you have the right quarterback though.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;978112]Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games[/quote]

1) it's not prescience to be evaluating 1-2 years ahead of what positions might be better to draft this year, and what might be better next year. The same could be said this year, when the draft is supposed to be deeper then the past few in defensive backs, and that happens to be a position of need.

2) evaluating talent often is a negative result more than it is a positive, meaning: do we want to pay price x(10th overall pick, or 8.5 Million existing contract, or FA asking 30mill over 2 years) for this player's talent level. If the answer is no then you roll with what you have and try to scheme around it.

Putting these two points together, you can see one(or more) rational explanation that doesn't rely on MS psychic abilities.

During evaluation phases, MS,KS, BA and scouts looked at all the pro and college qbs available in the off-season leading up to last season. They looked at a known quantity of Rex (ie with Rex will get us between 6 and 10 wins), along with a potential qb in Beck. Hindsight really does show us that the assessment of most of last years draft class was correct, and that they would not have presented long or short term gains over that, while this year, even had we won the top out number there would have been several candidates with better upside.

I don't think any of this logic is more or less than what a fan would reasonably expect of a solid FO trying to present both the best possible short term, and the highest upside long term.

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[quote=donofriose;978142]I agree. If we had drafted Gabbert, Ponder, or traded up for Locker our franchise probably would have been handicapped for another 3-4 years, similar to Jason Campbell or Ramsey picks for the skins, because that is what happens when you reach for quarterbacks (the Jets are a perfect example). One offseason/draft will not and would not have fixed the Redskins, we are still a couple of more moves from being true contenders for the superbowl, nice seeing the pieces being built though. It is a lot easier when you have the right quarterback though.[/quote]

Exactly, hindsight is a beautiful thing.. I guran-damn-tee it that those same people focused on Rex/Beck would be bitching up a storm if Gabbert/Ponder/Locker was our QB and struggling while our pass rush from the LB position was negligible. Now they would be saying [I]'We should have drafted JJ Watt or Ryan Kerrigan and waited on a QB! Look at what the rookie QB are doing!'
[/I] Plus even if we had drafted Gabbert/Ponder/Locker, we probably would have started Rex/Beck anyways. Even without RG3, there's not a realistic alternative that was available at the QB position in 2010 or 2011 that would have gotten us at the cusp of an NFC East title at this point.

Some folks are just pre-disposed to complain and focus on the negative.

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[quote=skinsfan69;978135]It's not the trade. It's Mike Shanahan saying "he'd put his reputation" on John Beck being a good QB. He actualy tried to sell that nonsense to the fans. WTF was he looking at that made him think Beck could play? But that's all in the past. Hopefully we're headed in the right direction, but I can't say I'm 100% on board simply because of a 5 game win steak.[/quote]

What else was he gonna say?

Hey everyone we all know Rex and Beck blow, but they're all we got this year?

It was just coach speak. Nothing more.

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[quote=Mattyk;978156]What else was he gonna say?

Hey everyone we all know Rex and Beck blow, but they're all we got this year?

It was just coach speak. Nothing more.[/quote]

Preach. Fans take stuff too literally. Maybe he should have said, "All our QB's blow, so we are going to go into this season to evaluate whose going to be here going forward and preparing for next season".

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;978157]Preach. Fans take stuff too literally. Maybe he should have said, "All our QB's blow, so we are going to go into this season to evaluate whose going to be here going forward and preparing for next season".[/QUOTE]

Ooohh. Wish he had - we would have rattled off five in a row. :)

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I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?

Im not sure if you are referring to me, but i was def on the hater side during the early part of the season. I was stoked when they took over. I didnt blame shanny for mcnabb. I thought he had something left in the tank. He had a great year prior. When beck n rex took over i wasnt upset about not drafting a qb. We had a ton of holes. Wasnt till this yr when i realized how good rg3 was that i started questioning the losses. My expectations for this yr were if rex can win 6 Griff can win 10. Looks like i was correct. I always gave Shanny credit for denver - elway was a shell of himself n those sp wins were all shanny. I defended his presser after the panthers game too. Thought it was taken out of context. My expectations for thus season n years to come are the sky is the limit.
So again - i questioned 3-6 start. Still do. But its over and we seemed to have turned a corner. Whats done is done. Im on board. Ask okie after the first giants game / loss - i said we r going to make the playoffs. I saw a team effort in that game.

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You thought we were a 10 win team? wow. I thought at 9 wins we would be exceeding expectations.

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[quote=Mattyk;978156]What else was he gonna say?

Hey everyone we all know Rex and Beck blow, but they're all we got this year?

It was just coach speak. Nothing more.[/quote]

Thank you!!! . . . i am sick of people talking about shanny staking his reputation on Rex and Beck . . . he was standing up for what he has . . . as any coach would . . . that's it . . .

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[quote=Chico23231;978181]You thought we were a 10 win team? wow. I thought at 9 wins we would be exceeding expectations.[/quote]

And just think where we might have been if we hadn't had injuries and been the most penalized team in the league. Think about that. It blows my mind. We are the most penalized team in the league and are making a push for a 10 win season and a division championship. That needs to be a big off season coaching point, have to clean that sloppiness up!

[QUOTE=Chico23231;978181]You thought we were a 10 win team? wow. I thought at 9 wins we would be exceeding expectations.[/QUOTE]

Because we had a rookie qb rite? I was a huge fan of rg-3's in college, and liked him alot coming out of college. Once we had sealed the deal with him i seriously thought that even as a rookie he was an immense improvement over rexy or beck. So yeah ten wins seemed possible to me. I also thought our schedule was easier than last years. I was so terribly dissapointed with the slow start that i started to really question what Shanny was doing. Maybe i was over confident but based on the marked improvement at the qb spot which seemed to be the one thing holding us back in so many close losses last yr i didnt know how else to explain the losses.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;978110]^^^ Ding ding ding ... we have a winner.

They took a stab at the QB position with McNabb - it didn't work out. Was it a bad move? In hindsight, absolutely. At the time, I wasn't against it.

Beck and Grossman were the non-moves of the decade. If not for them, we have Gabbert.[/quote]

I was kinda excited when we brought in Mcnabb. Thought we may get a few years out of him and he would be successful. But oh we'll it didn't work and now we get to build around our own young rookie stud and a competent back up. Done, from an elated and happy fan

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[quote=SmootSmack;978074]I hate John Beck the QB, think he's beyond awful. And manipulated everyone with his "I'm rounding up the players for lockout practices"

But...we make too big a deal out of his year here. We traded Doug Dutch...DOUG DUTCH!!!...for him. That's a mistake? But somehow, not drafting Blaine Gabbert high or Ponder or even Locker (who I would have taken) is overlooked.[/quote]

Of course it's overlooked. Not to mention Kolb, Flynn, Sanchez, Palmer...

Don't you know how to play the "grass is greener" game at the Warpath??

First, the grass is ALWAYS greener. Second, NEVER suggest a better alternative.

This way you can complain all you want and never eat crow. It's fun.

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[quote=Chico23231;978170]I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?[/quote]

I said (prior to reg season) 8-8 was minimum expectation, and that was before we knew RG was this phenomenal.

I'd answer your other question but defense is a big part of the answer, so nevermind hoss.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;978258]Of course it's overlooked. Not to mention Kolb, Flynn, Sanchez, Palmer...

Don't you know how to play the "grass is greener" game at the Warpath??

First, the grass is ALWAYS greener. Second, NEVER suggest a better alternative.

This way you can complain all you want and never eat crow. It's fun.[/quote]

:lol::laughing2:rofl:

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[quote=The Goat;978266]I said (prior to reg season) 8-8 was minimum expectation, and that was before we knew RG was this phenomenal.

I'd answer your other question but defense is a big part of the answer, so nevermind hoss.[/quote]


After the first game against the Saints, you could tell that this team had the potential to do something special this season. But the defense, particularly the secondary, gave away leads and games that the explosive offense had produced and held the team back. But since the bye week the Redskins have been very professional and have buckled down quite a bit and have played some excellent football on both sides of the ball that has contributed to the turnaround.

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[quote=The Goat;978266]I said (prior to reg season) 8-8 was minimum expectation, and that was before we knew RG was this phenomenal.

I'd answer your other question but defense is a big part of the answer, so nevermind hoss.[/quote]

so 8-8 now to undefeated?

Lotta injuries on that defense right?

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[quote=Chico23231;978170]I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?[/quote]

I usually don't say these things, but whoever is a hater at this point is a f'ing moron and should just stop being a fan of this team. I am not saying that everyone has to drink the Kool Aid, but this has been the best situation this team has been in a LONG time. And this is coming from someone who can be very pessimistic during gamedays.

This front office has made their share of mistakes in the past and they are not without their flaws. The team still has a number of needs, which many hope are addressed in the offseason. And the there will always be questionable moves here and there, because no team is perfect. Look at recent SB winners such as the Giants and Packers, both teams had ups and downs during their runs, yet they won the big one.

As a fan of this team, I love the fact that we are playing relevant games in December with realistic playoff expectations. I love the fact that we are relevant in the NFL period and right now may be a team that no one wants to see in the playoffs. We have an all-pro QB, a stud RB, a game changing receiver, and an offense that is constantly putting up yards and points. And God willing, we may end up being the NFC East Champ.

If ANY fan doesn't appreciate all of this and feels that they must b*tch at every moment about this team, then they are either a moron, an SOB that likes to be miserable all the time, or an a-hole that likes to F with people.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;978318]I usually don't say these things, but whoever is a hater at this point is a f'ing moron and should just stop being a fan of this team. I am not saying that everyone has to drink the Kool Aid, but this has been the best situation this team has been in a LONG time. And this is coming from someone who can be very pessimistic during gamedays.

This front office has made their share of mistakes in the past and they are not without their flaws. The team still has a number of needs, which many hope are addressed in the offseason. And the there will always be questionable moves here and there, because no team is perfect. Look at recent SB winners such as the Giants and Packers, both teams had ups and downs during their runs, yet they won the big one.

As a fan of this team, I love the fact that we are playing relevant games in December with realistic playoff expectations. I love the fact that we are relevant in the NFL period and right now may be a team that no one wants to see in the playoffs. We have an all-pro QB, a stud RB, a game changing receiver, and an offense that is constantly putting up yards and points. And God willing, we may end up being the NFC East Champ.

If ANY fan doesn't appreciate all of this and feels that they must b*tch at every moment about this team, then they are either a moron, an SOB that likes to be miserable all the time, or an a-hole that likes to F with people.[/QUOTE]

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel. :)

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[quote=Chico23231;978306]so 8-8 now to undefeated?

Lotta injuries on that defense right?[/quote]

My 8-8 (minimum) expectation included injuries with the exception of Fletcher and RG, cause they're just part of football.

I think the players missing on defense is two stories. Carriker and Orakpo went down and that's just part of the game. Big losses no doubt, although Rob Jackson is looking better every week now and Jenkins shows some flashes too. The safety situation isn't a regular part of football IMO, and the FO (so I guess mostly Shanny and somewhat BA) take the blame. We went into the season with a dope head, who's suspension was inevitable, right? And then a guy who was great a few years ago but has been plagued by injury and really not contributed anyway in a a couple years. That's just bad personnel decisions.

Unless Jackson, Merriweather, Doughty and Williams were the best safeties available...? I honestly don't know, but it seems hard to believe.

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[quote=Ruhskins;978318]I usually don't say these things, but whoever is a hater at this point is a f'ing moron and should just stop being a fan of this team. I am not saying that everyone has to drink the Kool Aid, but this has been the best situation this team has been in a LONG time. [B]And this is coming from someone who can be very pessimistic during gamedays.[/B]


If ANY fan doesn't appreciate all of this and feels that they must b*tch at every moment about this team, then they are either a moron, an SOB that likes to be miserable all the time, or [B]an a-hole that likes to F with people[/B].[/quote]

Pessimism on gameday is just wrong, especially when you have the rest of the week to be an a-hole :)

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[quote=Skinzman;978137]See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.[/quote]

No, I agree that wasting 1 year is better than wasting 4-5 -- I just wish I would have known that they didn't expect anything out of the season so that I as a fan would have know that 2011 didn't really count.

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[quote=punch it in;978322]Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel. :)[/quote]

Long week at work. Nice way to vent. :FIREdevil

I just also want to gush on how nice it is to be a Redskins fan right now. I even have a Cowpuke fan in my office who is saying positive things about our team.

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I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;978330]I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.[/quote]

Some people want perfection in a team and do not seem to be happy no matter what happens. I will be the first one to criticize the team about a lot of things. You mentioned wasted years, and I believe 2010 (McNabb) and 2011 (Rex/Beck) were wasted year. I feel that Shanahan could have handled the Haynesworth debacle much better. In looking at more recent issues, the defense is still a conundrum, they've had 10 takeaways and 11 sacks over the 5-game winning streak, yet they've given up about 350 yards per game. The FO took a big gamble on safeties, and they got that part completely wrong.

As you said, this doesn't have to be a group of yes men, agreeing with everything and drinking the Kool Aid. But some people seemed to be content with the complaints and make irrational arguments to make their point.

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[quote=Ruhskins;978337]Some people want perfection in a team and do not seem to be happy no matter what happens. I will be the first one to criticize the team about a lot of things. You mentioned wasted years, and I believe 2010 (McNabb) and 2011 (Rex/Beck) were wasted year. I feel that Shanahan could have handled the Haynesworth debacle much better. In looking at more recent issues, the defense is still a conundrum, they've had 10 takeaways and 11 sacks over the 5-game winning streak, yet they've given up about 350 yards per game. The FO took a big gamble on safeties, and they got that part completely wrong.

As you said, this doesn't have to be a group of yes men, agreeing with everything and drinking the Kool Aid. But some people seemed to be content with the complaints and make irrational arguments to make their point.[/quote]

Exactly -- I also despise people who only want to complain and make irrational arguments as I feel that some of the attacks have been by people who only drink koolaid while denigrating rational arguments. The 5 game streak has been ridiculous -- we've beaten two division winners (Giants at the time, Ravens), the f***ing cowpukes in Jerrah's world, and a very tough defense in Cleveland (they had given up 3 offensive TDs in the past four games and we put up 5 led by Kirk making his first start). I am super positive but I personally can't just forget the tough preceding years when it really seemed as though there was no Shanaplan.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;978330]I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.[/quote]

I dont recall saying you were hating. You are more than welcome to quote me saying that. Until then, dont put words in my mouth. You have every right to your opinions, I have every right to disagree with you. Spare me the dramatics about never being negative again.

The fact is, the last two years is the first time that this team has tried to build a long term contender since Beathard and Gibbs. Gibbs II was about building a team to win now and putting cap affects into later years. That was never sustainable long term.

But lets be honest here, when looking at some of the most important pieces of a team. We are starting to get not only young, but good as well. The fact that we have a year 3 LT who is looking really good, a rookie QB and RB, Younger WR's outside of Moss. Those are good building blocks that will be around a long time. Does the OL need more improvements? Absolutely, but for the first time, some important components of our offense are not only young, but also good.

Complain about year 1 all you want, I do. I have always said McNabb was a mistake and that even though he talked about a long term plan of youth, he abandoned that plan in year 1 to try and win now. Year 2, what QB? As much as people complain about Rex/Beck, who else was he getting. The main ones available were Gabbert, Dalton, or Kapernick in the draft, or to sign Hasselbeck as a FA. OK so how much are we winning with any of them? Dalton/Kaepernick would easily have been best, but do we go to the playoffs last year with either? No we dont. Dalton would have gotten pummeled behind our Oline. Kaepernick needed to sit last year to help develop. Do we get RG3 if we draft either of those 3? No we dont. I personally believe that RG3 is head and shoulders above all of those, and even with the extra draft picks, going after him is worth it.

We have been bad for almost 20 years. Signs that the future will be better are important. And I saw those last year. Yeah, the record sucked, but we actually have started adding younger pieces. And the future looks good. I didnt buy into Shanny's plan at all in year 1. Because he preached youth and went for win now with a crap roster. But year 2 and 3 have been about building a team. Year 3 we are seeing those signs pretty clearly. To change now is a huge mistake.

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[quote=Skinzman;978366][B]I dont recall saying you were hating. You are more than welcome to quote me saying that. Until then, dont put words in my mouth. You have every right to your opinions, I have every right to disagree with you. Spare me the dramatics about never being negative again[/B].

The fact is, the last two years is the first time that this team has tried to build a long term contender since Beathard and Gibbs. Gibbs II was about building a team to win now and putting cap affects into later years. That was never sustainable long term.

But lets be honest here, when looking at some of the most important pieces of a team. We are starting to get not only young, but good as well. The fact that we have a year 3 LT who is looking really good, a rookie QB and RB, Younger WR's outside of Moss. Those are good building blocks that will be around a long time. Does the OL need more improvements? Absolutely, but for the first time, some important components of our offense are not only young, but also good.

Complain about year 1 all you want, I do. I have always said McNabb was a mistake and that even though he talked about a long term plan of youth, he abandoned that plan in year 1 to try and win now. Year 2, what QB? As much as people complain about Rex/Beck, who else was he getting. The main ones available were Gabbert, Dalton, or Kapernick in the draft, or to sign Hasselbeck as a FA. OK so how much are we winning with any of them? Dalton/Kaepernick would easily have been best, but do we go to the playoffs last year with either? No we dont. Dalton would have gotten pummeled behind our Oline. Kaepernick needed to sit last year to help develop. Do we get RG3 if we draft either of those 3? No we dont. I personally believe that RG3 is head and shoulders above all of those, and even with the extra draft picks, going after him is worth it.

We have been bad for almost 20 years. Signs that the future will be better are important. And I saw those last year. Yeah, the record sucked, but we actually have started adding younger pieces. And the future looks good. I didnt buy into Shanny's plan at all in year 1. Because he preached youth and went for win now with a crap roster. But year 2 and 3 have been about building a team. Year 3 we are seeing those signs pretty clearly. To change now is a huge mistake.[/quote]

He didnt quote anybody when he said that. You are looking at another one of his posts.
edit: he quoted you in post 190 and practically agreed with you in his response. You quoted him in post 192 which I believe wasnt adressed to anyone in particular.

Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?
 

Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question.

Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics

Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;978370]Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question.

Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics[/quote]

Why is it that disagreeing with you involves being angry? You even pointed it out about asking the question, why ask the question if no opinions are allowed. Dont say you have the right to your opinion and that im angry if mine disagrees with you. You are entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to take that away. I disagree with your assessment that a year is wasted because you didnt realize that neither Rex/Beck were actually good QB's. But he still did the right thing by waiting for the guy to jump for at QB.

Also, I never said that you said I was hating. You might want to re-read all of that.

@ Punch

He quoted me then made a second post. The second post just looks like a continuation of the first post to me.

Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan?
 

Ther is only one who is allowed to be Angry. I absolve everyone else from the emotion and title.

Its just football gents.

Edit: Actually I have no authority to do that...fight on gents!