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[quote=CRedskinsRule;985759]pfft, he is flying to see Dr. Andrews(wasn't he on the sideline yesterday?) and when was the last time someone flew to Dr Andrews office and walked out smiling?[/quote]

Sounds like surgery time if you ask me.

Are there no MRI machines in DC all of a sudden?

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[quote=scowan;985764]How can you know on January 7, 2013 that a player will be out for next year when "next year" doesn't start until probably September 8th 2013? That's 8 months away!! Is everyone with a twitter account and expert? [B]HTTR24_7? Who is that anyway and why should be care?[/B][/quote]

That's like saying who's Smootsmack

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[quote=Mattyk;985770]Sounds like surgery time if you ask me.

Are there no MRI machines in DC all of a sudden?[/quote]

I agree, i think they will give us the offical word after the surgery is done.

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[quote=Mattyk;985773]That's like saying who's Smootsmack[/quote]

Yeah I hear he's a reliable source...lets just hope he's wrong about RGIII out for 2013

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[quote=Mattyk;985770]Sounds like surgery time if you ask me.

Are no MRI machines in DC all of a sudden?[/quote]

If he needs surgery, getting it less than 48 hours after the game can only help his recovery schedule.

We have the best doctor on the planet as our team doctor. I'm not worried.

He'll be back and dominating the league again.

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[quote=Mattyk;985770]Sounds like surgery time if you ask me.

Are no MRI machines in DC all of a sudden?[/quote]

Yup, something along the lines of a physical exam that led to surgery while on site. Expect to see Griff coming out on crutches tomorrow.

It's messed up, but still KC got some good time in this year, and definitely held serve while in. Worst of worst cases is KC isn't all that, and Griff can't come back. I don't see that as the likely though. More likely KC plays good, but not great, Griffin goes through his rehab, and by years end we have two extremely solid qb options.

[QUOTE=scowan;985764]How can you know on January 7, 2013 that a player will be out for next year when "next year" doesn't start until probably September 8th 2013? That's 8 months away!! Is everyone with a twitter account and expert? HTTR24_7? Who is that anyway and why should be care?[/QUOTE]

Httr 24-7 is very reliable.

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dr. james andrews just wants home field advantage

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[quote=scowan;985764][B]How can you know on January 7, 2013 that a player will be out for next year when "next year" doesn't start until probably September 8th 2013? That's 8 months away!! [/B]Is everyone with a twitter account and expert? HTTR24_7? Who is that anyway and why should be care?[/quote]

Its simple. If you have an injury and the recovery time is 12 months minimum, then you can easily say he won't be healed in 8 months. At this point, we dont officially know the diagnosis or prognosis, so its all speculation. However, recovery times are generally pretty well-established. Adrian Peterson was an incredibly rare exception.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985786]Its simple. If you have an injury and the recovery time is 12 months minimum, then you can easily say he won't be healed in 8 months. At this point, we dont officially know the diagnosis or prognosis, so its all speculation. However, recovery times are generally pretty well-established. Adrian Peterson was an incredibly rare exception.[/quote]

9-12 months typically, all depends

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So this is the news coming out of Richmond. 14 months. I hope not.

[url=http://www.wric.com/story/20523289/redskins-await-rg3-knee#.UOsxsSkJZmN.twitter]Redskins Await RG3 Knee Injury Results - WRIC Richmond News and Weather -[/url]

Re: As long as RGIII is 100% for 2013 training camp...
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985786]Its simple. If you have an injury and the recovery time is 12 months minimum, then you can easily say he won't be healed in 8 months. At this point, we dont officially know the diagnosis or prognosis, so its all speculation. However, recovery times are generally pretty well-established. [B]Adrian Peterson was an incredibly rare exception[/B].[/quote]


And Terrell Suggs after he tore his achillies in May. Hopefully Griffin will be an incredibly rare exception too.

Has anyone figured out a way to go back to 14-0 and freeze time? I was on cloud nine. Visions of superbowls dancing in my head. How has it come to this?
"When life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door".

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[quote=punch it in;985801]Has anyone figured out a way to go back to 14-0 and freeze time? I was on cloud nine. Visions of superbowls dancing in my head. How has it come to this?
[B]"When life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"[/B].[/quote]was it andy griffith who said that?

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[quote=12thMan;985797]So this is the news coming out of Richmond. 14 months. I hope not.

[URL="http://www.wric.com/story/20523289/redskins-await-rg3-knee#.UOsxsSkJZmN.twitter"]Redskins Await RG3 Knee Injury Results - WRIC Richmond News and Weather -[/URL][/quote]


Theyre saying ACL and PCL in that artical. Whats really worrisome is that i guess the Redskins are saying that Andrews wants to do further exams because theres issues distingushing between old and new injuries in a knee with previous ACL and LCL injuries. Maybe his LCL is hurt too in addition of ACL and PCL tears?

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[quote=mlmpetert;985800]And Terrell Suggs after he tore his achillies in May. Hopefully Griffin will be an incredibly rare exception too.[/quote]

Wes Welker had a quick turnaround from his ACL injury too. Injured in the last game of the '09-'10 season, was back for the season opener in 2011 and caught 122 balls.

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Seems like good news would have came out by now, not liking our chances of hearing it at this point. RGIII rehab hard, Kirk Cousins keep coming in and playing well. AlfMo prepare to see the rock at least as much as last season. We are going to the playoffs again with RGIII, with KC1, or a combo of the two. Its time to be in charge of the NFC East again.

I'm done being negative about it at this point, our QB is a warrior and Shanny stuck with him. In general that is a good relationship just not in this case.

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[quote=12thMan;985797]So this is the news coming out of Richmond. 14 months. I hope not.

[url=http://www.wric.com/story/20523289/redskins-await-rg3-knee#.UOsxsSkJZmN.twitter]Redskins Await RG3 Knee Injury Results - WRIC Richmond News and Weather -[/url][/quote]

Tests were in conclusive because he's torn it before.....

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[quote=Mattyk;985813]Wes Welker had a quick turnaround from his ACL injury too. Injured in the last game of the '09-'10 season, was back for the season opener in 2011 and caught 122 balls.[/quote]


Theyre not going to start testing for HGH next year right?

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[quote=mlmpetert;985820]Theyre not going to start testing for HGH next year right?[/quote]

He's got a point though RGIII is a freak of an athlete if anyone can recover from that its him.

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[quote=Mattyk;985770]Sounds like surgery time if you ask me.

Are there no MRI machines in DC all of a sudden?[/quote]

I have a feeling it'll be the ACL based on this image posted last night by one of the members here.


[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1965051/rg3hurt.gif[/IMG]

ACL tears affect the lateral movement of a knee. When one tears, the knee will go in directions it really wasn't meant to go in.


Also, the fact they haven't came out and said the results yet is a telling sign. Not even going to mention how Shanahan brought up Adrian Peterson in his presser.

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Adam Schifter is reporting that the inconclusiveness of the MRIs is probably [I]encouraging[/I] because they can't find anything new considering his previous ACL injury while at Baylor and the LCL injury against the Ravens.

I think everyone needs to calm down until we know for sure. All ANYONE is doing now is aimlessly speculating, and it's not helpful.

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[quote=12thMan;985797]So this is the news coming out of Richmond. 14 months. I hope not.

[url=http://www.wric.com/story/20523289/redskins-await-rg3-knee#.UOsxsSkJZmN.twitter]Redskins Await RG3 Knee Injury Results - WRIC Richmond News and Weather -[/url][/quote]

article says 9-12 months, where did you hear 14 months?
[quote]If Griffin has torn the ACL again, he would likely require a rehabilitation period of nine to 12 months, putting his status for next season in jeopardy.[/quote]

There is a big difference between 9 months (meaning possible early season return) and 14 months (miss whole season).

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prepare for the worst but expect the best

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[quote=CASKINS;985822]He's got a point though RGIII is a freak of an athlete if anyone can recover from that its him.[/quote]


Much younger than all of them too.

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I hate to even bring this up, but the question is too burning in my mind to not: if it is a serious injury that keeps him out extended time from next year, what does that mean of Shanahan?

Everyone already thinks it was a terrible decision, but to have your star player that you traded so much for and invested in go down because of a decision like that... it would be real interesting to see the reaction.

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how is it shanny's fault? i don't get it, he's not a doctor...

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How long was he out when he tore his ACL at Baylor?

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What are you gonna do... fire Shanahan over a guy getting injured? I think that would be going a tad overboard.

You can't blame him 100%.

Let's just do this, cut RG3, fire Shanahan, and fire Dr. Andrews. F em all.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;985827]article says 9-12 months, where did you hear 14 months?


There is a big difference between 9 months (meaning possible early season return) and 14 months (miss whole season).[/quote]

they just updated it. when I first read it after it was posted it did say RG3 could possibly miss 14-16 months.

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[quote=mredskins;985837]How long was he out when he tore his ACL at Baylor?[/quote]

Funny story......He actually played an entire half on it if I remember right. but then was sidelined for most the season...guess what happened after that?

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This is all speculative, but lets say RGIII recovers pretty well and is physically able to play with a brace of some kind in the season opener next year. You know... he can play the way he's played the past month (excluding yesterday). My CONCERN is RGIII would absolutely try to get on the field, and Shanahan has demonstrated multiple times this year he thinks a 50% RGIII is better than a 100% Cousins. I'm worried he would end up playing, only to be hurt again.

I WOULD HOPE that this injury has taught RGIII and Shanahan a lesson they will not forget, and that RGIII shoudl not play AT ALL unless he can play 100% without any kind of brace. As we saw Sunday, the brace slipped out of position, and thats probably what resulted in this injury.

I would rather RGIII sit the entire 2013 season and roll with KC as our starter than risk having him at 50% for 8 games and then miss the other 8 due to another season-ending injury. When 100% healthy, RGIII is INCREDIBLY more dangerous than most other quarterbacks in the league, including Kirk Cousins. But at anything less than 100%, i dont think there's that much of a difference. Yes, he's our franchise quarterback, but that doesnt mean we should play him when it doesnt give our team the best chance to win.

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[quote=CASKINS;985843]Funny story......He actually played an entire half on it if I remember right. but then was sidelined for most the season...guess what happened after that?[/quote]


if that is true then we need to fire Baylors coach too. LOL

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[quote=mlmpetert;985830]Much younger than all of them too.[/quote]

He's done it before too. Now, in terms of how possible it is to come back from two ACL tears, I don't know those stats, but here are Griffin's stats from the year he tore his ACL, and the year right after:

passing
2009 45 69 65.2 481 7.0 8.1 4 0 142.9
2010 304 454 67.0 3501 7.7 7.9 22 8 144.2
Rushing
2009 27 77 2.9 2 0 0 0 27 77 2.9 2
2010 149 635 4.3 8 1 9 9.0 0 150 644 4.3 8

I know stats always format ugly, so here is the link if anyone wants to see the formatted version:
[url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/robert-griffin-iii-1.html]Robert Griffin III Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=redskins5044;985842][B]they just updated it.[/B] when I first read it after it was posted it did say RG3 could possibly miss 14-16 months.[/quote]

Not that I am being optimistic, but a lot of (not-so-reliable) news outlets are going to put up outrageous stuff out there for a while until everything is confirmed.

RT @DanHellie: Report out of Richmond from WRIC about @RGIII tearing ACL/PCL and being out 14-18 months is false. They are recanting story.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BACUs-_CQAEityb.jpg:large[/IMG]

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[quote=mredskins;985837]How long was he out when he tore his ACL at Baylor?[/quote]

He got a medical redshit or whatever its called, he had only played in 2-3 games. So it happened early in the season. No idea about how long it was until he was practicing and all that stuff.

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[quote=Bushead;985831]I hate to even bring this up, but the question is too burning in my mind to not: if it is a serious injury that keeps him out extended time from next year, what does that mean of Shanahan?

Everyone already thinks it was a terrible decision, but to have your star player that you traded so much for and invested in go down because of a decision like that... it would be real interesting to see the reaction.[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk;985838]What are you gonna do... fire Shanahan over a guy getting injured? I think that would be going a tad overboard.

You can't blame him 100%.

Let's just do this, cut RG3, fire Shanahan, and fire Dr. Andrews. F em all.[/quote]

Oh i'm not suggestion you fire him over it, i don't think one decision can mar a 7 game winning streak into the playoffs.

But this isn't a play call that wasn't right or not executed perfectly or a hindsight is 20/20 -- I cannot find a single person anywhere DURING the game that said he should be in there. Collectively it was such an obvious decision that I assumed Kirk Cousins puked up so much from his flu he couldn't see right. I guess i'm just bummed that after a whole season of not looking competent with drama, or crazy high-priced agents etc etc, that on the last game of the year, such a bad decision could be made.

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[quote=Mattyk;985838]What are you gonna do... fire Shanahan over a guy getting injured? I think that would be going a tad overboard.

You can't blame him 100%.

Let's just do this, cut RG3, fire Shanahan, and fire Dr. Andrews. F em all.[/quote]

I keep Andrews, seems like a nice guy. Otherwise great idea.

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Also on those stats, pretty amazing how they seem right in line with his NFL stats. Hmm, imagine that.