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[quote=firstdown;1034620]Did he? If you look at his number he only slowed down running as he got older and was still running alot in his prime. He may have only had one really big year when he was not running the ball.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CunnRa00.htm]Randall Cunningham NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]

Yes, he kept running some. So will RGIII.

But in 1998 he led the Vikes to a new season record for points scored (breaking the record of the '83 Skins) and was primarily a pocket passer in doing so. Go back and watch tape of Cunningham throwing to Moss and Carter - he was primarily a pocket passer.

My point was not to tout Cunningham - my point was that anything he could do, RGIII could do better.

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The Redskins better figure out their Special Teams before next week or Holliday will light them up. Peyton is going to be hard enough to deal with, we don't need Holliday scoring on a punt/KR as well.

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[quote=scowan;1034629]The Redskins better figure out their Special Teams before next week or Holliday will light them up. Peyton is going to be hard enough to deal with, we don't need Holliday scoring on a punt/KR as well.[/quote]

Maybe this is the game plan to keep Manning off the field? :silly:

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It's not just the special teams. The defense is still a joke. When Josh McCown of all people can come in and move the ball at will, you have problems. It's a sickening feeling that even with :45 left after the go-ahead TD, the Bears still had a chance to win the game.

I think some perspective is in order too. I know people hate realists but this is still a bad football team. The local media is drooling on about "progress" but really has there been much? Is the team, and Griffin "better" or are they taking advantage?

If Oakland has Pryor in the lineup it's not out of order to say that the Redskins probably don't win that game...Flynn was terrible but the game was still close. In Dallas, people point out "progress" even though it was a two-TD loss. Dallas was missing their RB and had a patchwork defensive line, including losing their Pro Bowl star Ware early in the game. Yet the media here and most fans ignore that and go on about how the offense is "back". Yet even Dallas's backups were able to pressure the Redskins and hold them to 16 points overall. That's progress?

Then yesterday. Don't even mention Cutler going down, cause McCown (an awful QB over the last few years) came in and torched the Redskins. But on defense the Bears were already injury-riddled..losing key members Helton and Jennings earlier in the year and were overall like 28th in the league. One of the announcers even jokingly said the Bears had some guys on the line who were meat-packers a couple weeks ago. Then they lost Briggs and Tillman etc for extended time. So yeah, the offense looked great against one of the worst and most injury-riddled defenses in the league.

That's a good gauge that the offense is "back"? The Redskins were at home, had all the advantages (that onside kick was not offsides) and still barely scraped out a win. This is still like a 6-10 team at best. Yeah it was a win but I can't see how anyone is really that optimistic about it.

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It's all perspective I guess. People see what they want to see.

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[quote=RFKRat;1034645]It's not just the special teams. The defense is still a joke. When Josh McCown of all people can come in and move the ball at will, you have problems. It's a sickening feeling that even with :45 left after the go-ahead TD, the Bears still had a chance to win the game.

I think some perspective is in order too. I know people hate realists but this is still a bad football team. The local media is drooling on about "progress" but really has there been much? Is the team, and Griffin "better" or are they taking advantage?

If Oakland has Pryor in the lineup it's not out of order to say that the Redskins probably don't win that game...Flynn was terrible but the game was still close. In Dallas, people point out "progress" even though it was a two-TD loss. Dallas was missing their RB and had a patchwork defensive line, including losing their Pro Bowl star Ware early in the game. Yet the media here and most fans ignore that and go on about how the offense is "back". Yet even Dallas's backups were able to pressure the Redskins and hold them to 16 points overall. That's progress?

Then yesterday. Don't even mention Cutler going down, cause McCown (an awful QB over the last few years) came in and torched the Redskins. But on defense the Bears were already injury-riddled..losing key members Helton and Jennings earlier in the year and were overall like 28th in the league. One of the announcers even jokingly said the Bears had some guys on the line who were meat-packers a couple weeks ago. Then they lost Briggs and Tillman etc for extended time. So yeah, the offense looked great against one of the worst and most injury-riddled defenses in the league.

That's a good gauge that the offense is "back"? The Redskins were at home, had all the advantages (that onside kick was not offsides) and still barely scraped out a win. This is still like a 6-10 team at best. Yeah it was a win but I can't see how anyone is really that optimistic about it.[/quote]

RFKRat, everything you have written here is true, but it was also mentioned in one of the Washington Post blogs about how it seems like the Redskins have been "knocking out" key members of the other team almost every week. Yesterday it was Cutler. Before that it was McFadden, then Eddie Lacy, then Demarco Murray. Heck they even knocked out LeVeon Bell in the preseason and it took him around 6 weeks to come back. Fate, Fortune, who knows, but you can only play the guys facing you and all teams have injuries that make them less than full strength. Heck, the Skins were missing a 100% RGIII and a Jenkins, and a Rob Jackson the first 4 weeks. Wins are Wins and while I have every reason to expect the Skins to get crushed in Denver next week, stranger things have happened. The Colts are a good team but I didn't see them beating the Broncos last night and they did.

The Redskins are improving in some areas and not in others, but they were 3-6 at one point last year and after 9 games this year I will exect them to be better than that.

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wins are tough to come by in this league, lets enjoy this one.

Im not understanding why people keep bringing up if Pryor woulda played we woulda loss. I f*cking forgot Pryor is on the same tier as Luck, untouchable apparently.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1034597]He can still help this team score. If the wr's aren't getting it done then get Davis out there in some 2 TE sets with Reed. [B]No need for him to be inactive[/B].[/quote]

You'd expect a guy on a one year prove it deal would be working a little harder on and off the field. He's got nobody but himself to blame at this point.

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I think if we can get Rak in Peyton's face, we'll have a shot at beating the Broncos. I really feel he's the missing piece of this defense. We need that guy to be dominant.

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[quote=12thMan;1034661]I think if we can get Rak in Peyton's face, we'll have a shot at beating the Broncos. I really feel he's the missing piece of this defense. We need that guy to be dominant.[/quote]

I agree. The Colts limited Manning by playing solid man-to-man with 7 guys and getting strong pressure off of the edges with 4 rushers. We can replicate that formula. If Rak and Kerrigan have good days, we have a shot at slowing Manning down.

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[quote=12thMan;1034661]I think if we can get Rak in Peyton's face, we'll have a shot at beating the Broncos. I really feel he's the missing piece of this defense. We need that guy to be dominant.[/quote]


I think we would have a better shot of having Kerrigan get preasure on Manning.

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[quote=Lotus;1034622]Yes, he kept running some. So will RGIII.

But in 1998 he led the Vikes to a new season record for points scored (breaking the record of the '83 Skins) and was primarily a pocket passer in doing so. Go back and watch tape of Cunningham throwing to Moss and Carter - he was primarily a pocket passer.

My point was not to tout Cunningham - my point was that anything he could do, RGIII could do better.[/quote]

That was the only really successful year he had when he was not running the ball alot.

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Pressure on the QB is a must in order for us to win. Blitzing QB sparked our run last year. You cant let Manning sit back there and scan the field, especially with their Oline injuries.

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[quote=RFKRat;1034645]It's not just the special teams. The defense is still a joke. When Josh McCown of all people can come in and move the ball at will, you have problems. It's a sickening feeling that even with :45 left after the go-ahead TD, the Bears still had a chance to win the game.

I think some perspective is in order too. I know people hate realists but this is still a bad football team. The local media is drooling on about "progress" but really has there been much? Is the team, and Griffin "better" or are they taking advantage?

If Oakland has Pryor in the lineup it's not out of order to say that the Redskins probably don't win that game...Flynn was terrible but the game was still close. In Dallas, people point out "progress" even though it was a two-TD loss. Dallas was missing their RB and had a patchwork defensive line, including losing their Pro Bowl star Ware early in the game. Yet the media here and most fans ignore that and go on about how the offense is "back". Yet even Dallas's backups were able to pressure the Redskins and hold them to 16 points overall. That's progress?

Then yesterday. Don't even mention Cutler going down, cause McCown (an awful QB over the last few years) came in and torched the Redskins. But on defense the Bears were already injury-riddled..losing key members Helton and Jennings earlier in the year and were overall like 28th in the league. One of the announcers even jokingly said the Bears had some guys on the line who were meat-packers a couple weeks ago. Then they lost Briggs and Tillman etc for extended time. So yeah, the offense looked great against one of the worst and most injury-riddled defenses in the league.

That's a good gauge that the offense is "back"? The Redskins were at home, had all the advantages (that onside kick was not offsides) and still barely scraped out a win. This is still like a 6-10 team at best. Yeah it was a win but I can't see how anyone is really that optimistic about it.[/quote]

The Dallas game they had two very short fields to defend bause of a kick return and RGIII's fumble. We also gave up another specials teams score. Take those away and the D would have won that game for us. You also have your games mixed up it was the Dallas game they joked about having players that were working as meat packers.

Also the onside kick was offsides and the announcers also said the same thing. I just love how people talk about all the could have been or players missing like its is the excuse of why a team won. No names and patch work teams when all the time in the NFL and its not surprising.

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[quote=RFKRat;1034645]It's not just the special teams. The defense is still a joke. When Josh McCown of all people can come in and move the ball at will, you have problems. It's a sickening feeling that even with :45 left after the go-ahead TD, the Bears still had a chance to win the game.

I think some perspective is in order too. I know people hate realists but this is still a bad football team. The local media is drooling on about "progress" but really has there been much? Is the team, and Griffin "better" or are they taking advantage?

If Oakland has Pryor in the lineup it's not out of order to say that the Redskins probably don't win that game...Flynn was terrible but the game was still close. In Dallas, people point out "progress" even though it was a two-TD loss. Dallas was missing their RB and had a patchwork defensive line, including losing their Pro Bowl star Ware early in the game. Yet the media here and most fans ignore that and go on about how the offense is "back". Yet even Dallas's backups were able to pressure the Redskins and hold them to 16 points overall. That's progress?

Then yesterday. Don't even mention Cutler going down, cause McCown (an awful QB over the last few years) came in and torched the Redskins. But on defense the Bears were already injury-riddled..losing key members Helton and Jennings earlier in the year and were overall like 28th in the league. One of the announcers even jokingly said the Bears had some guys on the line who were meat-packers a couple weeks ago. Then they lost Briggs and Tillman etc for extended time. So yeah, the offense looked great against one of the worst and most injury-riddled defenses in the league.

That's a good gauge that the offense is "back"? The Redskins were at home, had all the advantages (that onside kick was not offsides) and still barely scraped out a win. This is still like a 6-10 team at best. Yeah it was a win but I can't see how anyone is really that optimistic about it.[/quote]

Can't really disagree with anything you've said. But it today's NFL, every single team has issues. I think every single win we get this year won't be a "complete" win....where all three phases click. I'm not losing perspective but that was a great game. 500+ yards and 38 points by the offense, RG3 played his best game, we have an emerging star at TE, Morris and Helu, DHall is playing some of his best ball as a pro...lot's of positives yesterday!

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[quote=firstdown;1034664]That was the only really successful year he had when he was not running the ball alot.[/quote]

Why does running the ball take away what he did as a passer? He was an incredible dual threat QB.

He threw for almost 30,000 yards and over 200 TDs. And that was before the league became pass happy like it is today.

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As I had posted earlier I fast forwarded a lot thru game.I went back and watched the last drive this morning without the ff.
As much as I've critized shannys for clock management I have to give him{them?}credit for the last drive.They didnt come out and panic because they were behind.There was plenty of time to score and they mixed in the runs and passes well.
There were some calls earlier in the game I had problems with,a couple of 3rd and 1s but the last drive was good.

Also RG3 looked pretty damn good on the last drive.Converted 2 big 3rd downs.The first one with the rollout I thought for sure was going to fail.He was running out of sideline and managed to squeeze the ball into Garcon who didnt drop it.
The 2nd 3rd down was clutch also.It shouldnt have been a 3rd down if Moss wouldnt have dropped that perfectly thrown ball that hit him dead center in the chest.And I dont believe it was knocked out,looked like the ball had already floated to his shoes by the time he was hit.Got to hold onto the ball in critical situations like that

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[quote=Mattyk;1034608]Can't help but think that Meriweather is being targeted by the refs to a degree. Yeah some of his hits this year have been questionable, but I thought the calls on him yesterday were really ticky tacky. Gotta feel bad for defenders these days. I really don't know what they're supposed to do.[/quote]I thought the call in the end zone was probably a good call, not because the WR dropped the ball just before the hit, but the helmet contact.

The penalty before that, what looked like incidental helmet contact at best on a solid shoulder hit on a WR that was just starting to run with the ball? This should have been any football fans reaction to that call.
[IMG]http://files.sharenator.com/epic_rage_guy_meme_faces-s620x520-156978-580.jpg[/IMG]

Merriweather still has made too many dirty helmet to helmet hits IMO. I hate to wish a guy lose his job, but hope Goodell suspends him or we cut him. Let the Raiders or Seahawks have him.

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The comment I wanted to make after the game was that: while it was fun to take over a game on offense, finally, and put up 45 points (38 on offense), I'm pretty sure we won't face a defense as depleted as that Bears defense that was down Briggs and Tillman at the end of the game.

But then I looked at the schedule. And there could be a lot more games like that this season. Lots of Giants, Eagles, Chargers, and Falcons the rest of the way. Still probably won't see a ton of quarters like that fourth against the Bears' scrubs, but something close to that isn't out of the question.

The running game, finally, is back. Perhaps for good. It's not just Morris-until-the-score-gets-out-of-hand. With Morris, Griffin, and Helu all getting a steady diet of carries, this unit can be very good.

It's nice that Aldrick Robinson was out there to pick up Garcon, who struggled. Of course, when you have Jordan Reed, do you really need guys outside the numbers?

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Yesterdays game is what I saw when I went down to TC, we have a lot of weapons on Offense. We just need everyone to show up at the same time.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1034674]I thought the call in the end zone was probably a good call, not because the WR dropped the ball just before the hit, but the helmet contact.

The penalty before that, what looked like incidental helmet contact at best on a solid shoulder hit on a WR that was just starting to run with the ball? This should have been any football fans reaction to that call.
[IMG]http://files.sharenator.com/epic_rage_guy_meme_faces-s620x520-156978-580.jpg[/IMG]

Merriweather still has made too many dirty helmet to helmet hits IMO. I hate to wish a guy lose his job, but hope Goodell suspends him or we cut him. Let the Raiders or Seahawks have him.[/quote]

Agreed, the first one was a clean, shoulder-leading whack.

The second one in the end zone was just stupid in every possible way. It was late after Marshal dropped the ball, it was high, it was at a head with a head....flag that one, but that first one looked fine to me.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1034681]Agreed, the first one was a clean, shoulder-leading whack.

The second one in the end zone was just stupid in every possible way. It was late after Marshal dropped the ball, it was high, it was at a head with a head....flag that one, but that first one looked fine to me.[/quote]

I agree. I thought the first one was a clean hit, the second one was a bone-headed move on BM's part. Possibly could have held the Bears to a field goal on that drive.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/95117/brandon-meriweather-faces-suspension]Washington Redskins safety Brandon Meriweather faces suspension - ESPN[/url]

Well we already knew this. He'll definitely miss the Broncos game, but he may miss the Chargers as well.

Dude deserves it though. Quesiton is who will we throw back there to replace him? Rambo?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1034669]Can't really disagree with anything you've said. But it today's NFL, every single team has issues. I think every single win we get this year won't be a "complete" win....where all three phases click. I'm not losing perspective but that was a great game. [B]500+ yards and 38 points by the offense, RG3 played his best game, we have an emerging star at TE, Morris and Helu, DHall is playing some of his best ball as a pro...lot's of positives yesterday![/B][/quote]

Well put. Our team is built to win high scoring games and that's what we did. We all should be happy.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1034684][URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/95117/brandon-meriweather-faces-suspension"]Washington Redskins safety Brandon Meriweather faces suspension - ESPN[/URL]

Well we already knew this. He'll definitely miss the Broncos game, but he may miss the Chargers as well.

Dude deserves it though. Quesiton is who will we throw back there to replace him? Rambo?[/quote]

I don't really think it matters who replaces him. Denver is going to score and score a lot. It's going to come down to whether we can keep up with them, and whether we can get a couple turnovers, and maybe another TD from the defense. I believe the defense has scored 4 times this year.

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Some of those calls yesterday were just so pathetic. The NFL might as well be a flag football league at this point.

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the 52-17 box score.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2005102307/2005/REG7/49ers@redskins#tab=analyze]Watch San Francisco 49ers vs. Washington Redskins [10/23/2005] - NFL.com[/url]

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Fred davis in the trading block. Could we get Britt for him?

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While at 2-4 there's a lot of disappointment to go around, I tend to think that recent trends on offense AND defense are pretty strong (special teams, now that's a widly different story).

Right now, we're yielding up 389 yards a game -- 24th in the league. Yesterday, we gave up 359 yards, and the last two weeks (against the Raiders and against the Cowboys, we did much better). After giving up a zillion yards in the first 3 weeks, our D has improved a good deal. To put it in perspective, if we dropped the average to 359 yards (yeterday's total), we'd be at 18th in the league. While that still isn't anything to brag about, given where we started at two games at about 500 yards, it is real improvement.

And our offense has generated the 4th most yards per game. Yeah, yeah -- I hear folks about the garbage time yards, but yards are yards, and we put up 45 on Chicago. Anytime you put up 45 points on any team in the NFL, you're doing something right.

What has killed us the last few weeks are turnovers and special teams. Special teams has been a killer -- 3 TDs in two weeks. Ugh. That's appalling. And it isn't as though our special teams has generated points; indeed, the most notable thing our teams has done is get a kick blocked by the Raiders. And the turnovers have killed us. We basically gave up a TD to Dallas with one; Chicago scored within 3 plays of the bad pick from RGIII. If, and that is a big if, we clean that up somehow, I think the D is playing well enough -- and the offense is surely playing well enough -- that we can and should rattle off a number of wins from here out. Other than SF, Denver, and the Chiefs, are we really afraid of any other team on our schedule? If we can go the rest of the season losing only to those 3 teams, we will finish 9-7 and that is likely to be enough to win the NFC East.

But we should take this one win at a time. Next up, the Broncos. Let's get after Peyton. The Colts showed how that can work.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1034695]Fred davis in the trading block. Could we get Britt for him?[/quote]

Seeing as he was a free agent this past year, I doubt trading him is a option. In fact, even on the open market, he garnered interest from two teams. (us and bills)

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[quote=NC_Skins;1034697]Seeing as he was a free agent this past year, I doubt trading him is a option. In fact, even on the open market, he garnered interest from two teams. (us and bills)[/quote]

It is an option. Or at least they're trying to make it an option.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1819809-fred-davis-trade-rumors-latest-buzz-speculation-surrounding-redskins-te]Fred Davis Trade Rumors: Latest Buzz, Speculation Surrounding Redskins TE | Bleacher Report[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/392388149185228800[/url]

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Too bad Al Davis is gone. He'd give us 3 #1's for Freddy D.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1034695]Fred davis in the trading block. Could we get Britt for him?[/quote]

One headcase for another, no thanks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1034466]You think this defense has top talent? I don't.[/quote]

The front of this defense and D Hall - Definitely. Even Riley is playing better, and is a solid contributor.

Now, The other cb and our safeties? - HELL NO. They **** up no matter how good the front seven is playing, even with them getting that advantage, they still can't tackle, have late hits, pass interference calls, get smoked, illegal hits, or completely screw the coverage up.

*This is the biggest reason our record is what it is. If we could at least shore this up A LITTLE, we would be sitting at .500 or better. This is on Haslett and the players, noone else. Well, maybe Shanahan.

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I gotta say, as much as I hate the guy, Josh Wilson hasn't been as lost as he has been the past couple of years. I don't see him getting burnt and turned around as often.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1034695]Fred davis in the trading block. Could we get Britt for him?[/quote]

I wish. Or Byrd. Or TJ Ward. Any of those would be great.

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Honestly, the safety play has been atrocious all around, and with Fletcher losing a step (it truly pains me to say so as I love the guy), the middle of the field is to be had. And teams have expolited that -- Chicago seemed to work the middle of the field very effectively (think of the Forte 50 yard scamper and the TD pass to Williams). No play up front or even with the CBs (which has been solid) can change that.

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Bowen tore a PCL against Da Bears.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/57782/de-stephen-bowen-tears-ligament]DE Stephen Bowen tears ligament - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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Who is that new cb wearing 23, he was ballin. Gave gameball to RG3 because with him running it just opens everything up, but Helu deserved it too.

There was one person on forum who just ragged on Helu every chance in preseason, i hope they can see now why so many like him. He is injury prone but when he plays he is great.

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Meriweather suspended for 2 games.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000267387/article/brandon-meriweather-banned-2-games-for-illegal-hits]Brandon Meriweather banned 2 games for illegal hits - NFL.com[/url]