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Kyle is ultimately responsible for putting together one of the weakest passing attacks the Redskins have seen in years (it looks even worse if you look at the last four years as a whole). No way around that. The passing game was his calling card when he came here.

But on the predictability discussion, I think we should be very careful not to vilify the guy for the way he has tried to handle this specific situation. The Redskins are pretty predictable. The Cowboys had a good film read on us in Week 5, the Broncos had a good film read on us in Week 7 and obviously the Eagles yesterday. But some of the predictability is not having players who are either smart or experienced enough to handle more being put on their plates.

The team's refusal to acquire players with the 'high football IQ' is a big reason they are stuck looking the same every week. There are really smart people on this team. Fletcher is really smart. Amerson and Hall are both pretty sharp. Jordan Reed. Griffin. But overall, the roster does seem to suffer from being a bit slow witted and over-emotional. And the coaches who aren't responsible for talent acquisition do have to work around this problem.

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[quote=redskins5044;1042184]Either way, we didn't lose because the eagles knew our plays, we lost because of execution of those plays.[/quote]

Not only the execution, but are we seriously running the same game plan game-to-game? Obviously we are enough so that the opposing team can figure out plays on the fly.

That's downright inexcusably awful coaching.

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By the way, did anyone see Marc Trestman's explanation to the media of his (somewhat insignificant) decision to not use his timeouts against Baltimore at the end of the fourth quarter?

[url=http://t.co/Y2jCS4SDXo]Trestman explains why he did not call time out during Ravens' drive at end of regulation - chicagotribune.com[/url]

Speaking as someone who would have used the timeouts both prior to and after that explanation, all I can say is I wish we had that guy on our coaching staff. Would really do wonders for explaining all the nonsensical things our coaching staff does.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1042044]Note to Griffin - It didn't look like Philly knew what was coming when you overthrew Paulson by 10 yards on the first drive. That play was a GREAT call, and might have gone for a TD, but your throw wouldn't have hit the side of a barn. Acknowledge your recurring inaccuracy and your poor decision on the final INT before throwing the game plan (coaches) under the bus.[/quote]

Yep that was an overthrow alright. RG3 doesn't throw until he sees somebody and he was awful. He is a bit nothing's wrong with me with his comments. His touchdown passes were even lucky at best.

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[quote=The Goat;1042100][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/washington-redskins-struggles-run-deeper-rg3-161400242--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

Pretty much sums it up...[/quote]

Not sure why w run a 3-4 defense because Haslett is a 4-3 guy and D Ends having to play linebacker are fish out of water. Shanahan must be the 3-4 lover because Haslet is not.

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[quote=punch it in;1042192]He might have, but not for ten seconds and thats how far Griff overthrew him by. Lol. That was a bad pass, no way around it.[/quote]

You got that right.

Pti was wondering if griff thought his lAst pass was a 4 down, I think he thought it was

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[quote=punch it in;1042192]He might have, but not for ten seconds and thats how far Griff overthrew him by. Lol. That was a bad pass, no way around it.[/quote]

Griff's long distance accuracy is a bit worrying. I think I've said it before but anything 25+ yards is almost a crap shoot as to where it's going to go. Is it gonna be short? Long? Towards the sidelines? Into the stands?

He definitely has a cannon, but Jesus, with the accuracy... This didn't seem like a problem last year. He's gotta be pressing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1042193][B]The team's refusal to acquire players with the 'high football IQ' is a big reason they are stuck looking the same every week.[/B] There are really smart people on this team. Fletcher is really smart. Amerson and Hall are both pretty sharp. Jordan Reed. Griffin. But [B]overall, the roster does seem to suffer from being a bit slow witted and over-emotional[/B]. And the coaches who aren't responsible for talent acquisition do have to work around this problem.[/quote]

Aw, c'mon man! Stop making stuff up.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042200]Griff's long distance accuracy is a bit worrying. I think I've said it before but anything 25+ yards is almost a crap shoot as to where it's going to go. Is it gonna be short? Long? Towards the sidelines? Into the stands?

He definitely has a cannon, but Jesus, with the accuracy... This didn't seem like a problem last year. He's gotta be pressing.[/quote]

You are correct. Poor mechanics coming out of his rehab might be a factor, too.

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[quote=Lotus;1042202]You are correct. Poor mechanics coming out of his rehab might be a factor, too.[/quote]

Add to that the fact that he doesn't trust his o-line, you have the terrible passing offense we had on Sunday.

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[quote=Mattyk;1042191]Paulsen definitely hesitated a bit on the route. I think it was a miscommunication more than anything.[/quote]I think that pass was a lot further off than a couple steps. If Logan had broken upfield he couldn't have got that one.

And I think there's a new meme for people to trash-talk the Skins on. Last season it was "RG3 will get killed in the Read Option". When it was safer than in the pocket and scrambling where RG3 couldn't control where the tacklers were coming from, and this season's beginning the same mediots wondered "gee RG3 sure is getting hit a lot in the pocket since they aren't running the read option".

Now I think mediots on TV, bloggers, etc., are considering it fashionable to criticize our Offense's playcalling. Opposing players are saying it, which at this point I put about as much stock into as hearing Giants DLinemen call every OL that beats them "dirty". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think every team scouts every opponent's tendencies. (To the point I think Cooley's infamous pic of his playbook in his lap, there was a question of what the opponent would do when "x" player substituted in). And that's become a scapegoat even among our own players.

I'm not saying "the media" started this (I know people who report the NFL would love us, any team, to go on a tear, makes a great story), I'm saying they're parroting what other teams are trash-talking about us, to the point our own players are saying it.

Why are other teams saying it? I don't think we're any more predictable than other teams, though I welcome any motivation to mix things up more. I think other teams are scared of what RG3 and Co. could do if he fully recovers. And "predictable" is the worst teams can say. People trash Brady for the "dink and dunk" game he plays, They can learn to hate RG3 beating people with smart running and his cannon arm. As long as we don't get a terrible coach if we replace the Shanahans.

But I don't really know. Am I off base in thinking the above?

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1042199]Pti was wondering if griff thought his lAst pass was a 4 down, I think he thought it was[/QUOTE]

That would almost be worse.

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[quote=redskins5044;1042172]no its not good, but not the reason we lost. its not like they totally shut us down, we ran for 191 yards against them. Lost because of innacurate passing by RG3, dropped passes, and no Defense in the 1st half.

Even with them knowing what was coming we still moved the ball on them. it is a game of momentum, if RG3 hits Paulsen on that opening drive and we score a TD to go up 7-0, it would have been a totally different game.[/quote]

I know a lot of people think this is far fetched, but the film doesn't lie. Teams have played us to put us in 3rd downs now. They allow us to run, and practice to NOT allow their LB's to suck up on the play action or running game.

Basically they will allow us to run as long as the LB's don't suck up and allow the posts over the top.

Which basically forces us in 3rd down conversions.

Denver did it.
Vikings didn't ( but we also went more traditional against the vikings, and don't know why we didn't against the Eagles.
Eagles did it

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[quote=punch it in;1042192]He might have, but not for ten seconds and thats how far Griff overthrew him by. Lol. That was a bad pass, no way around it.[/quote]

Please watch the pics I posted a few pages back. It obviously shows that Griffin had Kory's back in his face and a defenders hand over him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1042201]Aw, c'mon man! Stop making stuff up.[/quote]

You must be new here. This is an everyday thing for Gtripp.

Not only does he have all the film from every play. He now holds the test scores from every player, and knows their personal IQ scores.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1041980]RG3 and Campbell are not comparable unless you look at one obvious similarity.[/quote]

What, that they were both Redskins quarterbacks that got hyped and overrated?RGIII is missing wide open receivers and then walking back to the side lines like it is no big deal. WIDE OPEN. Screw you and your auto response.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1042203]Add to that the fact that he doesn't trust his o-line, you have the terrible passing offense we had on Sunday.[/quote]

I have noticed a lot of people are letting Helu slide for the fumble RG3 had in the second when we were inside the 10. He didn't even chip the blitz. Perhaps I was too spoiled during the Portis years.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042219]I have noticed a lot of people are letting Helu slide for the fumble RG3 had in the second when we were inside the 10. He didn't even chip the blitz. Perhaps I was too spoiled during the Portis years.[/quote]

Good call

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042219]I have noticed a lot of people are letting Helu slide for the fumble RG3 had in the second when we were inside the 10. He didn't even chip the blitz. Perhaps I was too spoiled during the Portis years.[/quote]

Does anyone have a gif of that play? I feel like Helu missed the block completely. Like didn't even see the dude coming.

I could be totally wrong, hence me needing the gif.

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[quote=tmandoug1;1042216]What, that they were both Redskins quarterbacks that got hyped and overrated?RGIII is missing wide open receivers and then walking back to the side lines like it is no big deal. WIDE OPEN. Screw you and your auto response.[/quote]

Deep breaths.

RG3 is no JC.

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Some of you just don't understand what an offseason can do for development.

RG3 is missing a few WR's, but he's not the next JC. It's more that just RG3. It's a 11 man effort.

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[quote=tmandoug1;1042216]What, that they were both Redskins quarterbacks that got hyped and overrated?RGIII is missing wide open receivers and then walking back to the side lines like it is no big deal. WIDE OPEN. Screw you and your auto response.[/quote]

They are black? And who overhyped Jason Campbell??

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JC was the dink and dunk king. RG3 can at least make the deep throw even if his accuracy is crap this year. I do think he's incredibly frustrated with himself and his receivers this year too though. I don't think he's just like "ho hum I made a booboo". I think it matters but he's just a low key dude.

I'd much rather have that than the screaming matches like Schaub and Johnson/Romo and Bryant get into.

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[quote=Bucket;1042226]Some of you just don't understand what an offseason can do for development.

RG3 is missing a few WR's, but he's not the next JC. It's more that just RG3. It's a 11 man effort.[/quote]

And I don't think some understand how coming back from a major knee injury can impact accuracy. Throwing a football all starts with your legs.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042228]JC was the dink and dunk king. RG3 can at least make the deep throw even if his accuracy is crap this year. I do think he's incredibly frustrated with himself and his receivers this year too though. I don't think he's just like "ho hum I made a booboo". I think it matters but he's just a low key dude.

I'd much rather have that than the screaming matches like Schaub and Johnson/Romo and Bryant get into.[/quote]Yeah, and regardless of any beef between RG3 and either Shanahan, Griffin carried the team last season. Like Jason Campbell never did. We'll never see a healthy Griffin get outplayed by a Todd Collins career Qb, either. There's no comparison between RG3 and Campbell.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1042227]They are black? And who overhyped Jason Campbell??[/QUOTE]

Griff is missing alot of throws this year, missed a ton Sunday. Including the one to Paulsen. I dont care what parts of anyones body were in his face. That being said, once again I will plead ....do not compare him to JC.
.....and good call on "over hyped" JC. Lmao. First I ever heard of him being hyped or overhyped or anyhyped also.

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[quote=Mattyk;1042229]And I don't think some understand how coming back from a major knee injury can impact accuracy. Throwing a football all starts with your legs.[/quote]

Well, it would help if we didn't have to reset his feet before he even finishes his drop because the guards are getting pushed back in to his face.

Some people just see what they want and cast blame on the easy targets.

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[quote=punch it in;1042233]Griff is missing alot of throws this year, missed a ton Sunday. Including the one to Paulsen. I dont care what parts of anyones body were in his face. That being said, once again I will plead ....do not compare him to JC.
.....and good call on "over hyped" JC. Lmao. First I ever heard of him being hyped or overhyped or anyhyped also.[/quote]

How can you not care what body parts on in his face? Have you thrown a football at the elite level off your back foot with a hand in your face and your teammate pushing you backwards?

Watch the Panther game right now. Look at the difference in a pocket, and what we allow RG3 to throw from.

Panthers run a very similar offense to us.

QB's miss throws. It happens, but it doesn't always mean it's the QB's fault. If QB's were perfect the completion percentage around the league would be a lot better than 50-70%

[QUOTE=Bucket;1042235]How can you not care what body parts on in his face? Have you thrown a football at the elite level off your back foot with a hand in your face and your teammate pushing you backwards?

Watch the Panther game right now. Look at the difference in a pocket, and what we allow RG3 to throw from.

Panthers run a very similar offense to us.

QB's miss throws. It happens, but it doesn't always mean it's the QB's fault. If QB's were perfect the completion percentage around the league would be a lot better than 50-70%[/QUOTE]

Nobody is saying our pass protection isnt shit. It is shit. It is thee stinkiest shit you can imagine.
However, talking about that Paulsen throw....he missed - bad. Plain and simple.

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[quote=punch it in;1042237]Nobody is saying our pass protection isnt shit. It is shit. It is thee stinkiest shit you can imagine.
However, talking about that Paulsen throw....he missed - bad. Plain and simple.[/quote]

He missed, because Paulsen slowed down, and he couldn't set his feet while being pushed back.

Look.. RG3 misses throws. I wont defend him when it's his fault. His biggest miss throw wasn't even the Paulsen throw. It was missed throw down the sideline to Moss in the 4th Q. Even though moss was held a bit, he needs a catch-able ball for the WR there. Its the same play that Kyle screamed "fuck" on live television lol

BUT! you guys are wrong about this Paulsen throw. Point blank wrong. Wasn't 100% his fault.

He initiates his drop, has to reset his feet to the left, when he does the Tackle pushes the guard in to him. Making him throw off his backfoot and attempt a 20 yard throw.

Edit :I'm not a coach, but I honestly don't think our pass protection would be that bad if we rolled the front line like we did last year. I'm not talking about the RO. I'm talking about mixing in more of the traditional offense the run with Cousins. It's been our most effective offense scheme, yet we seem determined in continuing drop back passes from the RO/PA and pistol.

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Self promoting to get an extension:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/18/mike-shanahan-says-redskins-remain-headed-in-right-direction-under-him/]Mike Shanahan says Redskins remain headed in right direction under him[/url]

Watch it in real time - not pictures. The last throw of the game was off his back foot with a hand literally in his face. However- it was a piss poor decision. The throw to Paulsen was not as disrupted as you are making it out to be. Anyway - it happened, its over, time to move on. I do not want anybody quarterbacking this team but number 10. I certainly dont want to hear about friggin jason campbell.

What about josh mcdaniels as a hc

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[quote=punch it in;1042242]Watch it in real time - not pictures. The last throw of the game was off his back foot with a hand literally in his face. However- it was a piss poor decision. The throw to Paulsen was not as disrupted as you are making it out to be. Anyway - it happened, its over, time to move on. I do not want anybody quarterbacking this team but number 10. I certainly dont want to hear about friggin jason campbell.[/quote]

I just watched it twice live.. The last throw of the game was terrible. Was a really bad play from him, and shows he needs to develop still.

Although, the Paulsen throw is not his fault 100%. He's had a lot more throws this year that warrant questioning like the one you listed.

Honestly.. I would rather watch him overthrow a TE by 6 yards, than watch him ever throw the ball off his backfoot in the endzone with the game on the line with another down left.

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But RG3 aside. I'm still baffled that we run the ball for 165 yards in the first half, and didn't attempt one roll out. Even if your QB is struggling, help him by cutting the field in half, and allowing him to use his legs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1042243]What about josh mcdaniels as a hc[/quote]

He would trade RGIII and pick up Tebow :)

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1042246]But RG3 aside. I'm still baffled that we run the ball for 165 yards in the first half, and didn't attempt one roll out. Even if your QB is struggling, help him by cutting the field in half, and allowing him to use his legs.[/QUOTE]

Not going to argue with you there.....ive been looking for the rollout all year. Perfect happy medium to the RO vs Pocket Passer.
Edit: i said this weeks ago - its almost like it is all or nothing. R/O run and get trucked half the time, or stand in the pocket like he is Peyton Manning. The bootleg is tailor made for Griff. When they do run it seems like it is to the opposite side. I cant even really talk about it because it makes me crazy. Lol

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Wait. We ran the rollout twice after watching the game again. 1st one was a first down to Reed. Second was a Touchdown

[QUOTE=Bucket;1042257]Wait. We ran the rollout twice after watching the game again. 1st one was a first down to Reed. Second was a Touchdown[/QUOTE]

Why keep doing it? It works! Lol