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[quote=SmootSmack;1043953]Mike Shanahan has really struggled here and it's time for a change. But I'm not going to ignore all that he's accomplished in his career, or make up stuff because I think he shouldn't be the HC of this team anymore[/quote]

Exactly. Overall, Mike Shanahan is a heck of a coach and he has accomplished a lot in his career. Anybody who says otherwise is just being silly. I say to those guys, hate him as a Redskins head coach if you must, but saying he hasn't accomplished much as a coach in the NFL is pretty foolish. At this point now, even I say it's time to move on from Mike Shanahan. Doesn't change my respect for him, but it's clearly time for him to move on from Washington.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1043953]Mike Shanahan has really struggled here and it's time for a change. But I'm not going to ignore all that he's accomplished in his career, or make up stuff because I think he shouldn't be the HC of this team anymore[/quote]

He doesn't have my vote for HOF. There are plenty of coaches who have won Super Bowls and while its impressive he did back to back, making a few adjustments to a loaded team doesn't make him a genius. He's been fighting to repeat success and has failed miserably.

The shanahan legacy is a joke to me

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[quote=GTripp0012;1043988]Is the changing of the culture something we have evidence of, or is it the kind of thing that happened, but we'll never actually see it because our feet aren't close to the dirt?[/quote]

I don't spend as much time at Redskins Park as I once did, but I do drop in from time to time. And those who spend a lot of time will also tell you it's not like the "lazy, get your paycheck and go home" Spurrier era, nor the "watch your back, don't trust the person next to you" Cerrato/Zorn era. There are some football related disagreements but most everyone will tell you the culture in the locker room and across the organization is quite strong, not Joe Gibbs strong, but strong nonetheless...which is what makes this all so puzzling

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044045]I don't spend as much time at Redskins Park as I once did, but I do drop in from time to time. And those who spend a lot of time will also tell you it's not like the "lazy, get your paycheck and go home" Spurrier era, nor the "watch your back, don't trust the person next to you" Cerrato/Zorn era. There are some football related disagreements but most everyone will tell you the culture in the locker room and across the organization is quite strong, not Joe Gibbs strong, but strong nonetheless...which is what makes this all so puzzling[/quote]

I believe that for sure. You can tell imo the culture is a better place than it was before.

The only thing is Shanny seems to rub some players the wrong way. Like Morgan and Fred Davis. He loved Fred Davis last year, but this year FD is skipping meetings, sleeping in meeting, etc. Someone wasnt pro active or this wasnt handled correctly. Or why was he even brought back when we needed money...

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044045]I don't spend as much time at Redskins Park as I once did, but I do drop in from time to time. And those who spend a lot of time will also tell you it's not like the "lazy, get your paycheck and go home" Spurrier era, nor the "watch your back, don't trust the person next to you" Cerrato/Zorn era. There are some football related disagreements but most everyone will tell you the culture in the locker room and across the organization is quite strong, not Joe Gibbs strong, but strong nonetheless...which is what makes this all so puzzling[/quote]

If that's the case and i believe it, then its just plain ol piss poor x's and o's /coaching personnel and game mamagment.

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I really don't know who I want, but I know who I don't. Lovie and Shanahan.

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I've seen enough. I actually voted Shanahan in the poll. Mike/Kyle are making Griffin a sitting duck, and almost never move the pocket or bootleg to buy him more time. RG3 is getting killed behind this turnstile of an O-line, and the weekly beating he is subjected to has reached Ramsey proportion during the Spurrier years.

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[quote=Mattyk;1044082]I really don't know who I want, but I know who I don't. Lovie and Shanahan.[/quote]


Me too

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(1) A GM from a stable organization that knows how to draft

(2) HC I want someone that has either been groomed as an NFL HC, meaning they've been in a coordinator position at the NFL level long enough to have seasoning and their unit must be good. I want a HC that has experience/background on offense but especially in the passing game and for the QB position. If they know the WCO that's a plus.

(3) OC must have NFL experience as a QB coach he doesn't have to be a playcaller because if we hire an offensive minded HC they might want to be the playcaller. Would be willing to promote a former QB coach that has worked/had success with a young QB.

(4) QB Coach want a coach from the college ranks that really knows the spread offense.

(5) DC- I WANT SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO CALL A 34 DEFENSE

My ideal combination:
GM Scott Pioli
HC Tom Clements (GB) or Pete Carmichael Jr (NO)
OC Rick Dennison (TX after that staff gets canned)
QB Zac Taylor (MI after they get fired)
Passing Game Coordinator or create a position for: Phillip Montgomery (Baylor)
DC Romeo Crenel or Keith Butler (Steelers)

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I can't say that I really like any of those selections...

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No way we cut ties with BAllen. Why can't we split duties with AJSmith? What's another salary paid from Dan?

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I want Bill

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[quote=30gut;1044112][B](1) A GM from a stable organization that knows how to draft[/B]
...[/quote]This is the one thing that Snyder hasn't tried - hiring a competent GM and empowering him to select the head coach and to draft the players to fit an organizational philosophy. I want Baltimore to be the model, where Ozzy Newsome wields the most power when it comes to selecting a coach and drafting players.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1044116]I can't say that I really like any of those selections...[/quote]Good then I must be on the right track

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I think scott poili would be an interesting choice as gm but didn't he bring that hella paranoid atmosphere to the organization? Other than that weirdness he stacked that kc team with young talent

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[quote=30gut;1044130]Good then I must be on the right track[/quote]

Like the OC choice. Prefer philbin if he got canned from the dolphins

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[quote=Mattyk;1044082]I really don't know who I want, but I know who I don't. Lovie and Shanahan.[/quote]

I don't know if I'm turned off by Lovie as a head coaching candidate or not, but I would welcome him as a defensive coordinator.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1044128]This is the one thing that Snyder hasn't tried - hiring a competent GM and empowering him to select the head coach and to draft the players to fit an organizational philosophy. I want Baltimore to be the model, where Ozzy Newsome wields the most power when it comes to selecting a coach and drafting players.[/quote]

That's a great model if you can find the next Ozzie Newsome. The last time we tried that here we found the next Vinny Cerrato.

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At this point the only, ONLY redeeming value in keeping Shanahan is that RG3 isn't going to have to learn a new offense in addition to the time he needs in developing as a QB. Averaging nearly 400 yards per game and nearly 24 PPG, I don't want to take steps back from that. However, what we've got isn't winning games.

I think it's pretty clear that we're heading for 6-10, 5-11 and maybe even 4-12 and with those results, it will be impossible for Shanahan to return absent significant changes on the coaching staff. This is reminiscent of George Seifert with the Panthers. SB pedigree but lottery results.

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[quote=Paintrain;1044166][B]At this point the only, ONLY redeeming value in keeping Shanahan is that RG3 isn't going to have to learn a new offense in addition to the time he needs in developing as a QB. Averaging nearly 400 yards per game and nearly 24 PPG, I don't want to take steps back from that. However, what we've got isn't winning games.[/B]

I think it's pretty clear that we're heading for 6-10, 5-11 and maybe even 4-12 and with those results, it will be impossible for Shanahan to return absent significant changes on the coaching staff. This is reminiscent of George Seifert with the Panthers. SB pedigree but lottery results.[/quote]


This offense we have in place sucks ass

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[quote=Chico23231;1044134]Like the OC choice. Prefer philbin if he got canned from the dolphins[/quote]Oh, me too but just thought it would be wierd to include him as OC if Clements was the HC. But net-net I like the Philbin's scheme better then Houston's.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1044045]I don't spend as much time at Redskins Park as I once did, but I do drop in from time to time. And those who spend a lot of time will also tell you it's not like the "lazy, get your paycheck and go home" Spurrier era, nor the "watch your back, don't trust the person next to you" Cerrato/Zorn era. There are some football related disagreements but most everyone will tell you the culture in the locker room and across the organization is quite strong, not Joe Gibbs strong, but strong nonetheless...which is what makes this all so puzzling[/QUOTE]

Well, Mike got the keys to the kingdom, and his job was safe for a few years. Im sure too that his intentions were true. Problem is he and his staff did not have what it takes to build a winner. Lets not look to far into it for some mysterious reason why this happened. Nobody said Mike was lazy, like Spurrier. He never had to watch his back like Zorn, because Dan wanted to believe the same thing we all did. That he was going to win a championship just like he did in Denver.
He failed. Miserably. Next.
Its a Skins fans worst nightmare and im sure Shanny is genuinely ticked off about the end results. Very sad.

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[quote=punch it in;1044268]Well, Mike got the keys to the kingdom, and his job was safe for a few years. Im sure too that his intentions were true. Problem is he and his staff did not have what it takes to build a winner. Lets not look to far into it for some mysterious reason why this happened. Nobody said Mike was lazy, like Spurrier. He never had to watch his back like Zorn, because Dan wanted to believe the same thing we all did. That he was going to win a championship just like he did in Denver.
He failed. Miserably. Next.
Its a Skins fans worst nightmare and im sure Shanny is genuinely ticked off about the end results. Very sad.[/quote]

My lazy and watch your back comments were about the players, not the head coach

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How MS leads in this poll is beyond me

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1044271]My lazy and watch your back comments were about the players, not the head coach[/QUOTE]

Yeah I realized that. I should have been clearer. Mike would not condone laziness, and the watch your back crap was because of just complete instability bought on by a coach with zero foundation to stand on.
Edit: the vision i believe was pure and true with Mike and there was some history to back it up. Not like Spurrier or Zorn. It makes it harder to swallow blowing it all up this time around. Mike did himself zero favors with the staff he put in place imo.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1044272]How MS leads in this poll is beyond me[/quote]

Collect all the disparate coaches not named shanahan and add them together, and you'll find a lot more people want someone else than they want Shanny.

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;1044278]Collect all the disparate coaches not named shanahan and add them together, and you'll find a lot more people want someone else than they want Shanny.[/QUOTE]

Good point. If the poll was should Shanny stay or go it would be a majority go.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1044272]How MS leads in this poll is beyond me[/quote]

This was put up weeks ago and I actually voted MS, but like I said in another thread I am done with this crap.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1044346]This was put up weeks ago and I actually voted MS, but like I said in another thread I am done with this crap.[/quote]

Lol I was all in for MS even after we started 1-3 this yr but yeah I'm done man

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[quote=punch it in;1044307]Good point. If the poll was should Shanny stay or go it would be a majority go.[/quote]

Extremeskins has that poll going and Mike is winning pretty handily.

I would much rather have Jay Gruden than Jon

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[quote=Bucket;1044375]Extremeskins has that poll going and Mike is winning pretty handily.

I would much rather have Jay Gruden than Jon[/quote]

I'm still waiting for Jay to prove something. Now if Jon gets the nod and he brings in his bro Jay ..... well then I'd be ok with it.

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[quote=SBXVII;1044434]I'm still waiting for Jay to prove something. Now if Jon gets the nod and he brings in his bro Jay ..... well then I'd be ok with it.[/quote]

What exactly do you need him to prove?

What had Gibbs proved before he got here? Not saying Jay Gruden's the next Gibbs. Just saying picking the right coach is a bit of crap shoot no matter how you go about it.

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[quote=Bucket;1044375][B]Extremeskins has that poll going and Mike is winning pretty handily. [/B]

I would much rather have Jay Gruden than Jon[/quote]

That's insane, but I guess not surprising. Haven't visited that site in years.

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Will Shanahan coach again after the Redskins or is that it for him??

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[quote=Bucket;1044375]Extremeskins has that poll going and Mike is winning pretty handily.

I would much rather have Jay Gruden than Jon[/quote]

Extreme skins is censored and it has been proven in the past that they have people associated with the team post on there to make it seem like its "fans" that are writing some of that stuff....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1044457]...and it has been proven in the past that they have people associated with the team post on there to make it seem like its "fans" that are writing some of that stuff....[/quote]Really? When was this proven?

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[quote=30gut;1044458]Really? When was this proven?[/quote]

It was a couple of years ago during the peak of how bad the whole redskins organization was. What i mean is, during the time period when Dan Snyder was banning fans from bringing signs into the stadium, etc...

There was a guy (can't think of his name) that even did a piece about it in the local sports column. He said specifically that the team's message board was censored, etc...

They responded by sending the guy a cease and desist order. I'm not sure if this is normal protocol, and i'm not bashing extreme skins, i was a poster there for many years. But around 2008 or 2009, the "great extreme skins purge" began, and many people were just outright banned / deleted. It was something like 5 or 600 members..

Some of the veteran posters on here may remember the guys name. From browsing other NFL message boards, extreme skins has a very poor reputation the last several years. maybe it is better now, i'm not sure...

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[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/34503-zorn-fired-3.html[/url]

There are some mentions here of extremeskins. This is from a few years ago. I posted in this thread, as well as others. But among the things discussed was extremeskins having paid positions to post certain things, etc...

It also talks about the idea of them having almost a secret "security" to mislead people on line, etc..

And lastly there is tale in there about a website called bgobsession.com (don't know if that is still an active site or not), that is made up and staffed by ex- extreme skins executives and moderators, that left the organization and all the BS that was extreme skins. many posters on this old thread talk about how poor the reputation of ES really was back then...

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I have a really crappy feeling that we are stuck with the shanahans for one more year.