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[quote=RFKRat;1048189]If he plays well, the madness will begin/continue about what a great QB Cousins is, and people will start screaming for him to start, or thinking the Redskins can trade him for multiple first round picks to recoup the losses from the Griffin trade. One of the worst things that can happen is for the unproven, very mediocre Cousins to do well for that very reason. And also because it will give the arrogant Shanahan more ammo to say he was right.

Of course, since Cousins will be facing a horrible Falcons team, then the worst defense in the league with Dallas, and another shoddy outfit in NY, his chances of playing well or winning a game or two aren't too crazy...so he'll win a game or two an/or put up good numbers and the madness will continue.

The only reason this is being done is to keep the silly soap opera drama going. Shanahan hasn't given two squats about Griffin's health to date, now all of a sudden he's concerned about his health? Yeah right.

This whole outfit needs to get blown up and redone from scratch.[/quote]

(sigh) :doh:

Whether Shanahan stays or gets fired.... what if the next HC doesn't believe in RG3 either based off of what he's seen and thinks Cousins is better? I guess they will just have to trade Cousins anyway and find a way to force RG3 to get better. Thats it right? Don't even think of trading RG3 or making him a very expensive back up. lol.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1048196]Himself. It went from 4-5 years to 10-12. lol[/QUOTE]

If my math is correct that would be 27 years and one playoff win.....

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[B][SIZE="4"]@ayeemzee

Shanahan is on fire right now. This is the most defense we have seen from the #Redskins in weeks. Can it take the field on Sunday? [/SIZE][/B]




:laughing2

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048184][B]@dcsportsbog 3m

Shanahan: "Dan could care less about the other positions." Oh man this is going well[/B][/quote]


I am assuming Shanahan was asked about Snyder's role or something. At this point, Shanahan is either too egotistical to see what an ass he is being [I]or[/I] he is doing a full on "Save My Son's Reputation By Tanking Mine" play.

Each day it becomes more and more surreal, it's like

the X-Files - "The Truth Is Out There"

a Biblical moment - Pontius Pilate "What is 'truth'?"

a Zen Koan - If Mike tells a lie to protect Kyle, does anyone else hear it?

a retro '70's TV moment - "What you talking about Mikie??"

a commercial - "You won't believe it's not Robert"

Three more weeks of this madness. God help us all.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048198](sigh) :doh:

Whether Shanahan stays or gets fired.... what if the next HC doesn't believe in RG3 either based off of what he's seen and thinks Cousins is better? I guess they will just have to trade Cousins anyway and find a way to force RG3 to get better. Thats it right? Don't even think of trading RG3 or making him a very expensive back up. lol.[/quote]

Seriously? We give up all those picks and we're ready to delegate RG3 to backup duty or trade bait if Cousins is better? RG3's defining year is next year, not this year. You get 3 strikes before you're out.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1048201]I am assuming Shanahan was asked about Snyder's role or something. At this point, Shanahan is either too egotistical to see what an ass he is being [I]or[/I] he is doing a full on "Save My Son's Reputation By Tanking Mine" play.

Each day it becomes more and more surreal, it's like

the X-Files - "The Truth Is Out There"

a Biblical moment - Pontius Pilate "What is 'truth'?"

a Zen Koan - If Mike tells a lie to protect Kyle, does anyone else hear it?

a retro '70's TV moment - "What you talking about Mikie??"

a commercial - "You won't believe it's not Robert"

Three more weeks of this madness. God help us all.[/QUOTE]

LMAO. Bravo.....

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1048202]Seriously? We give up all those picks and we're ready to delegate RG3 to backup duty or trade bait if Cousins is better? RG3's defining year is next year, not this year. You get 3 strikes before you're out.[/QUOTE]

Yes Rave, next year is thee defining year.
On a side note last year wouldnt count as a strike.....

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048200][B][SIZE="4"]@ayeemzee

[B]Shanahan is on fire right now[/B]. This is the most defense we have seen from the #Redskins in weeks. Can it take the field on Sunday? [/SIZE][/B]




:laughing2[/quote]

Told you I was bringing my molotov cocktails

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I actually think Shanahan did exceptionally well in the conference today. He seemed honest and forthright. He said Dan was 100% behind the decision to bench RGIII. He also admitted he made a mistake for not pulling him from the Seattle game.

To be completely honest, im starting to think there is a chance (although not a overwhelming one) that Shanahan comes back next year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1048197]can someone post the Mike presser when its over? thanks ahead of time[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1048197]can someone post the Mike presser when its over? thanks ahead of time[/quote]

Don't know if MS stays nor not but he says the decision to bench RG3 was an agreement between Snyder, Allen and himself. All had to be in agreement and if anyone didn't agree he would keep RG3 on the field.

So it doesn't sound like Snyder is pissed that RG3 is being benched. Said 2 years of no preseason work is detrimental to a QB. Said that was the reason for benching RG3 cause RG3 can't afford to get hurt again or worse and miss all offseason a second time.

Any chance, any at all, Snyder, Allen, and Shanahan are all on the same page and not as upset as the media is playing this BS? Any chance we fans are getting all worked up over nothing? and MS comes back next year for his final year? I mean if you know your on the verge of getting fired you don't talk like there might be an extension coming ... right?

Sounds like the powers that be sat down and talked about some stuff. Wonder if MS will get his final year to right this ship or be sent packing.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048207]I actually think Shanahan did exceptionally well in the conference today. He seemed honest and forthright. He said Dan was 100% behind the decision to bench RGIII. He also admitted he made a mistake for not pulling him from the Seattle game.

To be completely honest, im starting to think there is a chance (although not a overwhelming one) that Shanahan comes back next year.[/quote]

Yea I got the same feeling. Which is why I kept telling people to stop getting their panties in a bunch. I thought MS did very well in the presser.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048207]I actually think Shanahan did exceptionally well in the conference today. He seemed honest and forthright. He said Dan was 100% behind the decision to bench RGIII. He also admitted he made a mistake for not pulling him from the Seattle game.

To be completely honest, [B]im starting to think there is a chance (although not a overwhelming one) that Shanahan comes back next year.[/B][/quote]He first better repair his relationship with his QB. Why I continue to be a fan of this circus is beyond me.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1048207]I actually think Shanahan did exceptionally well in the conference today. He seemed honest and forthright. He said Dan was 100% behind the decision to bench RGIII. He also admitted he made a mistake for not pulling him from the Seattle game.

To be completely honest, im starting to think there is a chance (although not a overwhelming one) that Shanahan comes back next year.[/QUOTE]

Of course DS is behind it. It would cost him 7 mill if he wasnnt. He is admitting fault about the Seattle game now just to back up his benching of RG-3. It is all a chess match now between him and Snyder and there is 7 mill on the line.

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[quote=punch it in;1048204]Yes Rave, next year is thee defining year.
On a side note last year wouldnt count as a strike.....[/quote]

You're right. I thought about that after I posted.

I'd say next year is going to be a big deal, if he has a down year, we need to start thinking about other options. But a lot of it is going to depend on if we get significant upgrades at certain positions.

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Not buying anything Shanny says at this point.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048168]No.



[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/12/9/5191564/must-read-mike-shanahans-brilliant-last-act-by-kc-clyburn]MUST READ: Mike Shanahan’s Brilliant Last Act by KC Clyburn - Hogs Haven[/url]

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im gonna nit-pic here. i dont know why the article said shanahan was a large reason for the skins getting the cap penalty.

the cap penalty/violation was for the structure of the contract vinny had AH and hall sign so i dont really know why that is put at shanahan's feet. the violation came at the time of signing, which was on DS and vinny's watch.

just nit-picking though.

im looking forward to watching mike's presser once it is up. sounds like he has gone full asshole but im gonna wait to watch and make up my own mind

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048202]Seriously? We give up all those picks and we're ready to delegate RG3 to backup duty or trade bait if Cousins is better? RG3's defining year is next year, not this year. You get 3 strikes before you're out.[/quote]

Look, I want the best product on the field. If it's Cousins then guess what... I want Cousins starting. If its RG3 then I want RG3 starting. I'll admit RG3 has the best "POTENTIAL" but if he's not living up to that potential then I'll take Cousins.
I could care less about all the picks given up for any QB or the amount of money being tossed to either.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1048215]Not buying anything Shanny says at this point.[/QUOTE]

How anybody is is beyond me. This is all about money and being fired with or without cause. His contract says he has total control and if Snyder overrides his decision to bench Griff than Shanny will want to walk with his money.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048207]I actually think Shanahan did exceptionally well in the conference today. He seemed honest and forthright. He said Dan was 100% behind the decision to bench RGIII. He also admitted he made a mistake for not pulling him from the Seattle game.

To be completely honest, im starting to think there is a chance (although not a overwhelming one) that Shanahan comes back next year.[/quote]

Snyder is really in a lose-lose situation. If he's not behind it, Shanny's right and he paints himself as a tyrant. Supporting Shanny means the Redskins organization looks like the idiot ship with Shanny as captain and himself as first mate.

Figure he picked the lesser of two evils.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1048212]He first better repair his relationship with his QB. Why I continue to be a fan of this circus is beyond me.[/quote]

I'm confused.... His relationship with Cousins seems to be fine what does he have to work on? ;)

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[quote=SBXVII;1048220]I'm confused.... His relationship with Cousins seems to be fine what does he have to work on? ;)[/quote]

These boards are going to get pretty quiet when Cousins inevitably stinks up the joint.

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[quote=punch it in;1048213]Of course DS is behind it. It would cost him 7 mill if he wasnnt. He is admitting fault about the Seattle game now just to back up his benching of RG-3. It is all a chess match now between him and Snyder and there is 7 mill on the line.[/quote]

Man you guys read way too much into stuff when you get mad at someone. lol.
MS admitted at the end of last year he should have taken RG3 out of the game. But I don't see how that detrimental to the team? RG3 is a grown man and could have said "coach my knee is busted up I can't play" <did he do that? no. I think it falls on both of them AND the damn doctor who failed to check him out when he came off the field.

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[quote=over the mountain;1048216]im gonna nit-pic here. i dont know why the article said shanahan was a large reason for the skins getting the cap penalty.

[B]the cap penalty/violation was for the structure of the contract vinny had AH and hall sign so i dont [/B]really know why that is put at shanahan's feet. the violation came at the time of signing, which was on DS and vinny's watch.

just nit-picking though.

im looking forward to watching mike's presser once it is up. sounds like he has gone full asshole but im gonna wait to watch and make up my own mind[/quote]Wrong. The penalty was for Shanny and Bruce Allen restructuring the original contracts, pushing a large portion as guaranteed money into the uncapped year (2010), reducing future cap liability. I still feel that this was legal since there was no CBA, and that year had no salary cap, but the owners colluded to not go there, and Dallas and Washington thumbed their noses at the rest of the owners. Bullshit penalty, but Vinny had ZERO to do with it.

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[quote=Southpaw;1048221]These boards are going to get pretty quiet when Cousins inevitably stinks up the joint.[/quote]

I hope Cousins does well, it'd be nice to win for a change. But Cousins isn't gonna start for the Redskins, I mean he'd have to have 3 Peyton Manning type showings for him to even get consideration to be a starter here. And I don't even think that would do it.

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[quote=over the mountain;1048216]im gonna nit-pic here. i dont know why the article said shanahan was a large reason for the skins getting the cap penalty.

the cap penalty/violation was for the structure of the contract vinny had AH and hall sign so i dont really know why that is put at shanahan's feet. the violation came at the time of signing, which was on DS and vinny's watch.

just nit-picking though.

im looking forward to watching mike's presser once it is up. sounds like he has gone full asshole but im gonna wait to watch and make up my own mind[/quote]
Because Shannahan could have cut both players and all would have been good, but instead he chose to keep Al and Hall. Restructuring there contracts so all the prorated money would be charged to the uncapped year. This caused some teams to lose players at the position, because it made the franchise tag huge for the two positions. It was all Shannahan's fault.

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SBXVII you might be the only living person left in the free world who still cannot see through Mikes BS.

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Well, that presser was awkward...

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[quote=SouperMeister;1048223]Wrong. The penalty was for Shanny and Bruce Allen restructuring the original contracts, pushing a large portion as guaranteed money into the uncapped year (2010), reducing future cap liability. I still feel that this was legal since there was no CBA, and that year had no salary cap, but the owners colluded to not go there, and Dallas and Washington thumbed their noses at the rest of the owners. Bullshit penalty, but Vinny had ZERO to do with it.[/quote]

Vinny signed a worthless piece of shit to a record high amount for a player on defense. Vinny has every single bit to do with it

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[quote=Southpaw;1048221]These boards are going to get pretty quiet when Cousins inevitably stinks up the joint.[/quote]

He completely might. WE don't know cause he didn't get 90% of the reps his first year and when he did get 90% of the reps in the off season they benched him for the guy who did nothing but therapy on his knee all off season.

If you guys are expecting Cousins to walk on the field and run a spread offense with the read option and be better then RG3 then your nuts. Which I presume you guys already know and are saying Cousins will be worse. I agree.

But, if Cousins is not asked to run a spread offense/read option and is only asked to run Mike Shanahan's offensive scheme MS ran in Denver then Cousins I think could pull it off. Elway pulled it off. and Elway was no RG3.

Who knows maybe there was some big meeting with Snyder, Allen and Shanahan and they all agreed to get away from the read option and Kyle Shanahan's scheme and have Mike Shanahan use his scheme he used in Denver for his last year. If he can get RG3 up to speed reading defenses and making the right decisions then great if he can't then hopefully Cousins sitting two years made good use of the time to study the opposing defenses.

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[quote=Southpaw;1048221]These boards are going to get pretty quiet when Cousins inevitably stinks up the joint.[/quote]

Wont be so quiet when Cousins is bending over that Dallas secondary

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[quote=SBXVII;1048230]He completely might. WE don't know cause he didn't get 90% of the reps his first year and when he did get 90% of the reps in the off season they benched him for the guy who did nothing but therapy on his knee all off season.

If you guys are expecting Cousins to walk on the field and run a spread offense with the read option and be better then RG3 then your nuts. Which I presume you guys already know and are saying Cousins will be worse. I agree.

But, if Cousins is not asked to run a spread offense/read option and is only asked to run Mike Shanahan's offensive scheme MS ran in Denver then Cousins I think could pull it off. [B]Elway pulled it off. and Elway was no RG3. [/B]

Who knows maybe there was some big meeting with Snyder, Allen and Shanahan and they all agreed to get away from the read option and Kyle Shanahan's scheme and have Mike Shanahan use his scheme he used in Denver for his last year. If he can get RG3 up to speed reading defenses and making the right decisions then great if he can't then hopefully Cousins sitting two years made good use of the time to study the opposing defenses.[/quote]

Cousins is no Elway. I think that the team is so bad that it doesn't matter who you really put there because they can't do anything right on any phase.

If Cousins plays well, and whoever coaches the Skins next year feels like he gives them the best chance to win, they will hopefully roll with Cousins and not care what RG3 thinks, what Snyder thinks, or what the fan base thinks.
A coach will be successful in Washington when he does what he thinks is best, and doesn't let outside influences sway his decision. Hopefully the next coach will not be Shanahan and do what he wants to do and not try to blame everyone else.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048215]Not buying anything Shanny says at this point.[/quote]

couldn't agree more!!

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[quote=SouperMeister;1048223]Wrong. The penalty was for Shanny and Bruce Allen restructuring the original contracts, pushing a large portion as guaranteed money into the uncapped year (2010), reducing future cap liability. I still feel that this was legal since there was no CBA, and that year had no salary cap, but the owners colluded to not go there, and Dallas and Washington thumbed their noses at the rest of the owners. Bullshit penalty, but Vinny had ZERO to do with it.[/quote]

Wrong the penalty was Snyder for accepting the deal or to pay for it. Cerrato for making the deal. and I would blame the NFL for signing off on the restructures then after the fact claiming foul and assigning a penalty. In reality its their fault for signing off on the contracts to begin with... penalize that person not the Skins.

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I think he was pretty honest in his presser. The only thing he's hiding is part of this benching is performance based.

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[quote=Chico23231;1048229]Vinny signed a worthless piece of shit to a record high amount for a player on defense. Vinny has every single bit to do with it[/quote]You're missing the point - Haynesworth's original contract had NOTHING to do with the penalty. Shanny and Allen restructuring Haynesworth's (and Hall's) deals, and sweeping money into the uncapped year is why we were penalized. Again, the owners clearly colluded to discourage this, and to enforce penalties on us and Dallas, but Vinny wasn't here when the so-called offense was committed.

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[quote=punch it in;1048227]SBXVII you might be the only living person left in the free world who still cannot see through Mikes BS.[/quote]

I'm in a win/win situation. If Mike gets the team winning and Snyder decides to let the contact play out then I'm happy. If Snyder fires Mike tomorrow I'm happy.

I think it would be a huge slap in the face if Cousins plays better and the team wins. Against a decent Falcons team. Then plays well and wins against two division rivals whom RG3 could not beat this year. < that makes me giddy. I'm for the under dog.

Think about it though. Talk with MS, fire Haslett after this season, bring in someone with a different idea for DC, fix special teams maybe a new coordinator, have a good draft, pick up key pieces with the $36 mill, cut some older players and bring in more youth

or....

Fire everyone and start all over and expect another 3-5 yrs for this team to get on track again with a new scheme.

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Shanny can't return, he just can't. It's over.