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[quote=skinsfan69;1076673]Not meaning to sound like Jeff George but this whole "leadership" thing is getting so tiresome. We need guys like Thomas and Robinson, 2nd and 3rd year guys need to be playing. [B]They don't need guys in their mid 30's telling how to go to the bathroom.[/B]These are grown ass men. It's nice to have some old guys around that contribute but we're not winning with Moss and Clark. Or another year from Fletcher. It's the young guys like Amerson, Robinson, Thomas and so on that need to take that next step. Are their any old guys in Seattle's secondary? Clark was on the street for a reason and I didn't see a lot of teams fighting for his services.[/quote]

No, yeah, I think they can use the bathroom just fine by themselves. Will that linebacker pick up the coverage on that back, though? Will that safety adjust to what that receiver just did? Does the 2nd year corner see what any veteran would see looking into the backfield? We don't need a bunch of 30 year-olds out there, but the young guys do need leaders. You point to Seattle's relatively young defense, but Richard Sherman and the rest of those guys communicate constantly, unlike our defense. Clark will be an absolute asset this year. Better than any safety we have, an excellent communicator on defense, and an excellent mentor for the young guys.

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[quote=Mattyk;1076626]Leadership is nice but whether Clark can still play at a high level is what really matters.[/quote]

I agree

apparently D Hall is playing some FS, however I doubt they are strong enough at CB to move Hall.................. it sounds like Rambo isn't the answer either

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[quote=calia;1076567]Wonder if Hocker makes the team. Would be insult to injury to get that haircut and then get really cut.[/quote]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EghKL4WFOvE[/url]


I'd say he got a shot

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with all the talk of the receiving corp and RGIII, thought I would throw in a video for a little Alfmo love:

[YT]IBvPdmN-_os[/YT]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1076679][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EghKL4WFOvE[/url]


I'd say he got a shot[/quote]

I think he has the edge, but that's just my speculation

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[quote=SirLK26;1076675]No, yeah, I think they can use the bathroom just fine by themselves. Will that linebacker pick up the coverage on that back, though? Will that safety adjust to what that receiver just did? Does the 2nd year corner see what any veteran would see looking into the backfield? We don't need a bunch of 30 year-olds out there, but the young guys do need leaders. You point to Seattle's relatively young defense, but Richard Sherman and the rest of those guys communicate constantly, unlike our defense. Clark will be an absolute asset this year. Better than any safety we have, an excellent communicator on defense, and an excellent mentor for the young guys.[/quote]

Well that statement means they don't need their hand held. Robinson is in his 3rd year. He knows the defense. If he doesn't know it by now then he shouldn't be on the team. Yeah he may not have the knowledge of Fletcher but he can learn it and he's a far better athlete. It's ok to have your players learning and playing together.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1076676]I agree

apparently D Hall is playing some FS, however I doubt they are strong enough at CB to move Hall.................. it sounds like Rambo isn't the answer either[/quote]

I like this move a lot. We need a ballhawk back there. Maybe Breeland can step in there at corner.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1076691]with all the talk of the receiving corp and RGIII, thought I would throw in a video for a little Alfmo love:

[YT]IBvPdmN-_os[/YT][/quote]

Give him a few more years of the type of production he's had so far and he will join the pantheon of great Redskins RB's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1076694]I like this move a lot. We need a ballhawk back there. Maybe Breeland can step in there at corner.[/quote]

N-o-o-o-o-o! Not another rookie corner. I think that DHall could do a good job at FS but if we move him to safety, I think we'll need to trade for a veteran CB. If I were the Redskins GM, I'd even overpay, if necessary, to get another solid vet at CB.

FS - DHall
SS - Phillip Thomas
CB - Solid Vet via Trade
CB - David Amerson

I think I'd feel pretty good about that group.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1076697]N-o-o-o-o-o! Not another rookie corner. I think that DHall could do a good job at FS but if we move him to safety, I think we'll need to trade for a veteran CB. If I were the Redskins GM, I'd even overpay, if necessary, to get another solid vet at CB.

FS - DHall
SS - Phillip Thomas
CB - Solid Vet via Trade
CB - David Amerson

I think I'd feel pretty good about that group.[/quote]

Fan, how does one become a solid vet? If you were the GM, you'd never trust the draft picks that you selected or the vets that you brought in? No way you find a diamond in the rough unless you let them play. Stop with all of the trade for vets BS. Trust the vets that you traded for and the players on the roster!

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In his press conference, I believe Gruden said that they were just letting other players cycle through CB so they could go against the ones. I don't think you are going to see Hall at FS this year in the normal rotations.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1076697]N-o-o-o-o-o! Not another rookie corner. I think that DHall could do a good job at FS but if we move him to safety, I think we'll need to trade for a veteran CB. If I were the Redskins GM, I'd even overpay, if necessary, to get another solid vet at CB.

FS - DHall
SS - Phillip Thomas
CB - Solid Vet via Trade
CB - David Amerson

I think I'd feel pretty good about that group.[/quote]

I'm with you. When you're facing Marshall/Jeffery or some receiving combo like that, you want DHall or an unobtained proven vet at CB for sure, along with Amerson. Tracy Porter is nice as a nickel back but is not who you want all game on someone like Dez Bryant.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1076692]I think he has the edge, but that's just my speculation[/quote]

From Saturday's practice:

[quote] Not a good day for Forbath, who hit each upright when attempting field goals later in the day, from 34 and 40 yards. Meanwhile, rookie Zach Hocker hit from 35, 41 and 54 yards – all down the middle. Forbath’s 53-yarder was a low liner; Hocker’s was a deep drive.
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/9454/redskins-practice-report-6]Washington Redskins practice report - ESPN[/url]
[/quote]


Interesting battle, won't be able to tell until games.. So hard to consider moving on from a kicker who's already in the Hall of Fame (Forbath) for making 17 in a row and leading the league in [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalPct/year/2012"]FG% in 2012[/URL], and making his last 13 FG last year..

But honestly, even the worst FG kickers usually still make 70% of FG, and average for kickers is about 85% (which is around Forbath's average for 2 years). Going from top 10 to just average FG kicking would be about 2-3 FG for the year, or missing 6-9 points total for the year. In contrast we gave up a kick return touchdown last year. Not to mention field position battle is huge for the game. I'd bet if Hocker stays halfway decent, he'd be better for us in the long run.

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[quote=ethat001;1076706]From Saturday's practice:




Interesting battle, won't be able to tell until games.. So hard to consider moving on from a kicker who's already in the Hall of Fame (Forbath) for making 17 in a row and leading the league in [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalPct/year/2012"]FG% in 2012[/URL], and making his last 13 FG last year..

But honestly, even the worst FG kickers usually still make 70% of FG, and average for kickers is about 85% (which is around Forbath's average for 2 years). Going from top 10 to just average FG kicking would be about 2-3 FG for the year, or missing 6-9 points total for the year. In contrast we gave up a kick return touchdown last year. Not to mention field position battle is huge for the game. I'd bet if Hocker stays halfway decent, he'd be better for us in the long run.[/quote]

Yea if he can kick it out of the endzone like almost every other NFL team, and is actually a pretty good kicker, I would like to see him get the job.

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Crap....I hate playing games with the place kicker position.
Fleabath better get his poop in a group.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1076700]In his press conference, I believe Gruden said that they were just letting other players cycle through CB so they could go against the ones. I don't think you are going to see Hall at FS this year in the normal rotations.[/quote]

This is like the 3rd summer in a row that Hall has seen some snaps at FS

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[quote=whistler;1076698]Fan, how does one become a solid vet? If you were the GM, you'd never trust the draft picks that you selected or the vets that you brought in? No way you find a diamond in the rough unless you let them play. Stop with all of the trade for vets BS. Trust the vets that you traded for and the players on the roster![/quote]

Exactly. But I doubt we see much of Hall at FS.

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Super excited that my friend and I are getting into the VIP section on the 11th. I'm tempted to try and ask Clark and Moss to sign my Sean Taylor shirt.

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[quote=ethat001;1076706]From Saturday's practice:




Interesting battle, won't be able to tell until games.. So hard to consider moving on from a kicker who's already in the Hall of Fame (Forbath) for making 17 in a row and leading the league in [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalPct/year/2012"]FG% in 2012[/URL], and making his last 13 FG last year..

But honestly, even the worst FG kickers usually still make 70% of FG, and average for kickers is about 85% (which is around Forbath's average for 2 years). Going from top 10 to just average FG kicking would be about 2-3 FG for the year, or missing 6-9 points total for the year. In contrast we gave up a kick return touchdown last year. Not to mention field position battle is huge for the game. I'd bet if Hocker stays halfway decent, he'd be better for us in the long run.[/quote]

Think your looking at the wrong %, what was forbath kickoff return rate vs the rest of the league?

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We waived our Rice.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/43960/Redskins-waive-injured-WR-Jerry-Rice-Jr-/Default.aspx]Redskins waive injured WR Jerry Rice Jr.[/url]

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html]Redskins.com | Depth Chart[/url]

First depth chart is out...and I guess we are not going with a RG this year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1076754][URL="http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html"]Redskins.com | Depth Chart[/URL]

First depth chart is out...and I guess we are not going with a RG this year.[/quote]

Sound strategy. Lets you keep an extra kicker.

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[quote=Schneed10;1076755]Sound strategy. Lets you keep an extra kicker.[/quote]

Lil rib passed Gettis on the depth chart I see.

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Jordan Reed has reportedly jumped out at the Redskins' joint-team practices with the Patriots.

This news isn't coming from a Redskins writer, either. It's from the Boston Globe's Ben Volin, who now believes Reed "is in line for a big season" after repeatedly burning an improved New England back seven in the scrimmages. Reed's concussion history is the lone real concern for his 2014 outlook. He is a plus athlete and the biggest member of an otherwise diminutive Skins pass-catching corps, which should lead to lots of red-zone opportunities for Reed.


rotoworld per the Boston Globe which added this:

"Similarly, Redskins Reed looks like a star. He was open all practice, and hauled in a really nice catch over the out-stretched arms of Revis and Devin McCourty along the sideline. I think Reed is in line for a big season, especially with the Redskins having so many weapons at receiver"

[url=http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/08/04/patriots-redskins-physicality-level/Vuuks9ystr5kph7jUe4OBO/story.html]Patriots, Redskins up physicality level - Sports - The Boston Globe[/url]

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HaHa...Reed had a picnic on Revis Island.
Woot!

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Undrafted rookie defensive end Jeremy Towns signed to replace Rice.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/08/03/redskins-sign-de-jeremy-towns/]Redskins sign DE Jeremy Towns[/url]

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Some of the camp pictures posted from the /r/Redskins Reddit meetup this weekend.

[url=http://imgur.com/a/06V6m]2014 RedditSkins Training Camp Meetup - Imgur[/url]



[quote=Alvin Walton;1076760]HaHa...Reed had a picnic on Revis Island.
Woot![/quote]


Revis vs. Djax

[url=http://instagram.com/p/rRy1CjlnYD/]Instagram[/url]


No picnic to be had.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1076765]Some of the camp pictures posted from the /r/Redskins Reddit meetup.

[url=http://imgur.com/a/06V6m]2014 RedditSkins Training Camp Meetup - Imgur[/url][/quote]

Holy Crap! Check out Hatcher's upper arms. Huge.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1076765]Some of the camp pictures posted from the /r/Redskins Reddit meetup this weekend.

[url=http://imgur.com/a/06V6m]2014 RedditSkins Training Camp Meetup - Imgur[/url]






Revis vs. Djax

[url=http://instagram.com/p/rRy1CjlnYD/]Instagram[/url]


No picnic to be had.[/quote]

Great reddit pics. Thanks for sharing. I got denied in the pats lottery over a week ago, but then got an email late Saturday night stating I got a ticket. Which is great, but now have to move around some things and tell a lil white lie to work. Yes I'm glad I got a ticket, but this was a giant cluster fuck.

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From what ive been seeing the trainin camp notes on the official website ae just absolutely horrid.. makes me frown cuz i cant always catch TCD.. and get blacked out from RSN , anyway.. anyone with links to BETTER coerage let me know please. Glad to see that about reed, really like this kid.

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Sorry about the new phone typos, still getting used to a.smaller fake keyboard...

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/08/04/arbys-near-redskins-training-camp-saves-a-spot-for-patriots-coach-bill-belichick/]Arby’s near Redskins training camp saves a spot for Patriots coach Bill Belichick - The Washington Post[/url]

lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;1076765]Some of the camp pictures posted from the /r/Redskins Reddit meetup this weekend.

[url=http://imgur.com/a/06V6m]2014 RedditSkins Training Camp Meetup - Imgur[/url]






Revis vs. Djax

[url=http://instagram.com/p/rRy1CjlnYD/]Instagram[/url]


No picnic to be had.[/quote]

That's cool just send DJax deep every third down./

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24648912/redskins-training-camp-solid-run-game-improving-d-need-rg3-to-catch-up]Redskins training camp: Solid run game, better D need RG3 to catch up - CBSSports.com[/url]

Pat Kirwan reports from the skins TC this morning, i couldnt listen to the audio bc i am at work.

* as a bonus, after the skins video plays, it goes to the next video which shows the bennett and fuller incident.

it wasnt anything you dont see in TC any day of the week. Bennett must be rubbing the coaching staff and FO wrong.

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[quote=over the mountain;1076844][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24648912/redskins-training-camp-solid-run-game-improving-d-need-rg3-to-catch-up]Redskins training camp: Solid run game, better D need RG3 to catch up - CBSSports.com[/url]

Pat Kirwan reports from the skins TC this morning, i couldnt listen to the audio bc i am at work.

* as a bonus, after the skins video plays, it goes to the next video which shows the bennett and fuller incident.

it wasnt anything you dont see in TC any day of the week. Bennett must be rubbing the coaching staff and FO wrong.[/quote]

8-8 but 10-6 possible...Is this guy trying to get Irish pissed off?

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[quote=over the mountain;1076844][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24648912/redskins-training-camp-solid-run-game-improving-d-need-rg3-to-catch-up]Redskins training camp: Solid run game, better D need RG3 to catch up - CBSSports.com[/url]

Pat Kirwan reports from the skins TC this morning, i couldnt listen to the audio bc i am at work.

* as a bonus, after the skins video plays, it goes to the next video which shows the bennett and fuller incident.

it wasnt anything you dont see in TC any day of the week. Bennett must be rubbing the coaching staff and FO wrong.[/quote]

I liked Kirwan from when I had Sirius NFL radio, and think he's pretty spot on here, I just have faith that Griffin will in fact bounce back.

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Good read.right there. Thanks for.posting

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1076848]I liked Kirwan from when I had Sirius NFL radio, and think he's pretty spot on here, I just have faith that Griffin will in fact bounce back.[/quote]

Per Pat Kirwin in this article: "Outlook: The Redskins will rebound to at least 8-8, but to squeeze out the more wins to reach 10-6 and challenge for the NFC East title, they need Griffin to be great. I see the Redskins as wild-card contenders with an outside chance to win the division. A 9-7 record is attainable."

Great minds think alike. :)

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1076851]Per Pat Kirwin in this article: "Outlook: The Redskins will rebound to at least 8-8, but to squeeze out the more wins to reach 10-6 and challenge for the NFC East title, they need Griffin to be great. I see the Redskins as wild-card contenders with an outside chance to win the division. A 9-7 record is attainable."



Great minds think alike. :)[/QUOTE]


Sounds realistic to me. But to me Griffin doesn't need to be great. With weapons like Reed and DJax all he has to do is be smart and distribute the ball, and a healthy dose of AlfMo.

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Sounds like Ryan Grant impressed again today. Give this guy a few more years to add strength and he could be a really good receiver.