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[quote=skinsfan69;1077243]Are you really putting any stock into these games?[/quote]

Your right, y talk football on a football message board

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I'm sure if Griffin threw 2 picks the other night we'd have nothing to say about it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077228][B]Clearly the NFL wants Manziel to win his first game.[/B]
Edit sarcasm lost after 3 straight def holding calls leading to Detroit TD[/quote]

Everyone knows the games are fixed.

BTW bet on Jacksonville, they've already been installed as the new Super Bowl champions. :)

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Can we all agree that Chris Thompson is too injury prone to be worth a roster spot?

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fter Robert Griffin III struggled in joint practices with New England last week, members of the Patriots organization opined to ESPN.com's Mike Reiss that Kirk Cousins was the best quarterback on the Redskins roster.
Reiss specifically cited Cousins' edge in "running the offense, fine-tuned mechanics and how decisively the ball came out of his hand."


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000376536/article/kirk-cousins-outplaying-redskins-qb-robert-griffin-iii]Kirk Cousins outplaying Redskins QB Robert Griffin III? - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Defensewins;1077262]fter Robert Griffin III struggled in joint practices with New England last week, members of the Patriots organization opined to ESPN.com's Mike Reiss that Kirk Cousins was the best quarterback on the Redskins roster.
Reiss specifically cited Cousins' edge in "running the offense, fine-tuned mechanics and how decisively the ball came out of his hand."


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000376536/article/kirk-cousins-outplaying-redskins-qb-robert-griffin-iii]Kirk Cousins outplaying Redskins QB Robert Griffin III? - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Here we go....

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Did you read the rest of the article which points out Cousins poor play at the end of last year and states without question that there is no qb controversy. Just a controversial headline to get clicks

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His concluding paragraph:


There are bound to be a few bumps in the road as Griffin makes the transformation to pocket passer, but there's no reason to look over his shoulder at Cousins in the mean time.

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[url=http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-says-salacious-photos-are-a-misrepresentation.html/]Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says photos are a misrepresentation | Dallas Morning News[/url]

:Smoker:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077266]Did you read the rest of the article which points out Cousins poor play at the end of last year and states without question that there is no qb controversy. Just a controversial headline to get clicks[/quote]

It is echoed again in Peter King's Monday Morning QB article.

[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny-manziel-preseason-browns-michael-sam-rams/5/]Monday Morning QB: Johnny Manziel earning shot at Cleveland Browns job | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

Go to the last page under 10 things I think.


For the lazy:

Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston isn’t just good on the Patriots. He’s strong on the ancillary things. Such as this, after the Patriots’ trip to Richmond: “One of my biggest takeaways from Patriots-Redskins joint practices was surprise that Robert Griffin III didn’t look like the best quarterback on his own team. In fact, I thought Kirk Cousins was better than him, from the perspective of running the offense, fine-tuned mechanics and how decisively the ball came out of his hand. I wondered if I was alone, and then heard the same sentiment echoed by some others in the Patriots organization.”

To me, Cousins is worth a second-round pick from a quarterback-needy team.

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If Cousins was worth a 2nd someone would have traded for him already.

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Cousins has always been inconsistent, running hot and cold. If Reiss only saw him when he was hot then he did not witness the whole story.

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[quote=mredskins;1077286]It is echoed again in Peter King's Monday Morning QB article.

[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny-manziel-preseason-browns-michael-sam-rams/5/]Monday Morning QB: Johnny Manziel earning shot at Cleveland Browns job | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

Go to the last page under 10 things I think.


For the lazy:

Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston isn’t just good on the Patriots. He’s strong on the ancillary things. Such as this, after the Patriots’ trip to Richmond: “One of my biggest takeaways from Patriots-Redskins joint practices was surprise that Robert Griffin III didn’t look like the best quarterback on his own team. In fact, I thought Kirk Cousins was better than him, from the perspective of running the offense, fine-tuned mechanics and how decisively the ball came out of his hand. I wondered if I was alone, and then heard the same sentiment echoed by some others in the Patriots organization.”

To me, Cousins is worth a second-round pick from a quarterback-needy team.[/quote]
This is just typical media repeating media to make it fact. Peter King didn't add new insight, only quoting what Reiss put out there, which Breer did a nice job summing up in his article.

I like Cousins, but his first pass of the game also should have been an interception, hit the defender in stride in his hands, and our guy was double covered.

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[quote=mredskins;1077286]It is echoed again in Peter King's Monday Morning QB article.

[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny-manziel-preseason-browns-michael-sam-rams/5/]Monday Morning QB: Johnny Manziel earning shot at Cleveland Browns job | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

Go to the last page under 10 things I think.


For the lazy:

Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston isn’t just good on the Patriots. He’s strong on the ancillary things. Such as this, after the Patriots’ trip to Richmond: “One of my biggest takeaways from Patriots-Redskins joint practices was surprise that Robert Griffin III didn’t look like the best quarterback on his own team. In fact, I thought Kirk Cousins was better than him, from the perspective of running the offense, fine-tuned mechanics and how decisively the ball came out of his hand. I wondered if I was alone, and then heard the same sentiment echoed by some others in the Patriots organization.”

To me, Cousins is worth a second-round pick from a quarterback-needy team.[/quote]

Cool write up and good to see the RVA getting some respect with Skins camp. I hope this becomes a customary routine with the joint practices in Richmond, it was nothing but a positive.

Its funny to me how the focus of the writes up was about QB and receivers, and little mention about the fact our 1st team Oline and Dline handled the Pats teams and our running game was stronger the entire joint practices. And then as in the practices, it translated into the game Thursday.

To suggest Cousins is better than rg3 is just media trolling for shit...watch the last four games from last year son.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077290]This is just typical media repeating media to make it fact. Peter King didn't add new insight, only quoting what Reiss put out there, which Breer did a nice job summing up in his article.

I like Cousins, but his first pass of the game also should have been an interception, hit the defender in stride in his hands, and our guy was double covered.[/quote]

He definitely has a history of forcing throws like that on occasion.

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Isn't Cousins performing well in practice a good thing? Why is it that so many fans get so butthurt about RG3 being criticized? To me that means if RG3 doesn't play well we have one, maybe two guys that can step in and perform. Gruden has already said that RG3 "is a work in progress" so it's not shocking that people from the Pats are saying this. In the end who cares? It's a pre season practice where some players may be off a bit. To be fair to Griffin, these obviously were not live practices so his playmaking ability isn't going to show. Is it possible to get to week one before we start the QB controversy? lol.

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There is no controversy.

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[quote=Mattyk;1077295]There is no controversy.[/quote]

Right now, I would agree with that.

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I am not so worried about KC taking over RGIII. What I am worried about is if RGIII is going to get to the elite level; in order to justify that trade we made RGII has to be elite. If all he pans out to be is a average hate to say it folks but STL won that trade.

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[quote=mredskins;1077299]I am not so worried about KC taking over RGIII. What I am worried about is if RGIII is going to get to the elite level; in order to justify that trade we made RGII has to be elite. If all he pans out to be is a average hate to say it folks but STL won that trade.[/quote]

Right on. Well said. Same here.

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I'm worried about winning games, not who won the trade.

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[quote=Mattyk;1077302]I'm worried about winning games, not who won the trade.[/quote]

Yes but the RGII trade has a big impact on that equation.

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Winning takes care of everything and it's ultimately what everyone is judged on. Griffin can be a good to very good QB and win plenty of games. I don't think he needs to be "elite". He just needs to win.

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[quote=SirLK26;1077268][url=http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-says-salacious-photos-are-a-misrepresentation.html/]Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says photos are a misrepresentation | Dallas Morning News[/url]

:Smoker:[/quote]

Lol, good times in Jerry land. Ironically enough I always figured he was single at this point, mainly because of that commercial where he bragged about having a hot tub in the shape of Texas. After all, married guys don't brag about hot tubs unless they want to talk about joint pain. I found another article on TMZ, copy and pasted so people don't have to feel dirty about visiting TMZ. Also can't stop laughing at the fact they took a giant tour bus with the Cowboys logo right on the side to a strip club. It's like they wanted to get caught.

[url=http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/06/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-son-stephen-team-bus-sunset-strip-video/]Jerry Jones' Son Stephen -- Hey Ladies, Let's Party ... On My Dallas Cowboys Bus!! | TMZ.com[/url]
[IMG]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/08/06/080614-cowboys-bus-launch-v3-3.jpg[/IMG]
The Dallas Cowboys finally played like champs last night -- not on a football field, but on the Sunset Strip ... where Jerry Jones' son parked a giant team bus outside a nightclub and proceeded to pull a bunch of hot chicks.

None of the Cowboys players were there, but Stephen Jones -- Jerry's son and the team's Director of Player Personnel -- led what appeared to be a group of team staffers into Bootsy Bellows nightclub. Training camp is about 90 minutes north of L.A. ... so looks like they were taking a party break.

Stephen didn't have anything to say about the big Cowboys news yesterday -- an alleged extortion plot involving pics of his father with two women.

But the best part of this clip ... is the scene ON the bus after they leave the club. The Cowboys staff is holding court with a bevy of club chicks ... the shades come down, and then the bus pulls out.

By the way, they did have a guide -- FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, who definitely knows his way around Hollywood hot spots (we see him out a lot in the off-season).

How 'bout dem Cowboys!
[IMG]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/08/06/080614-cowboys-bus-sub-3.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Mattyk;1077306]Winning takes care of everything and it's ultimately what everyone is judged on. Griffin can be a good to very good QB and win plenty of games. I don't think he needs to be "elite". He just needs to win.[/quote]

Correct, but after what we gave up for that trade the generally consistence is RGIII better turn out to be elite. In order for us to have a playoff run this year RGIII got be pretty close to elite. This isn't Seattle where Wilson is being asked to be good and the better parts of that team care the load. In WAS a lot if not at all hinges on RGII's "eliteness" for this years team's ability to capture wins.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1077308]Lol, good times in Jerry land. Ironically enough I always figured he was single at this point, mainly because of that commercial where he bragged about having a hot tub in the shape of Texas. After all, married guys don't brag about hot tubs unless they want to talk about joint pain. I found another article on TMZ, copy and pasted so people don't have to feel dirty about visiting TMZ. Also can't stop laughing at the fact they took a giant tour bus with the Cowboys logo right on the side to a strip club. It's like they wanted to get caught.

[url=http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/06/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-son-stephen-team-bus-sunset-strip-video/]Jerry Jones' Son Stephen -- Hey Ladies, Let's Party ... On My Dallas Cowboys Bus!! | TMZ.com[/url]
[IMG]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/08/06/080614-cowboys-bus-launch-v3-3.jpg[/IMG]
The Dallas Cowboys finally played like champs last night -- not on a football field, but on the Sunset Strip ... where Jerry Jones' son parked a giant team bus outside a nightclub and proceeded to pull a bunch of hot chicks.

None of the Cowboys players were there, but Stephen Jones -- Jerry's son and the team's Director of Player Personnel -- led what appeared to be a group of team staffers into Bootsy Bellows nightclub. Training camp is about 90 minutes north of L.A. ... so looks like they were taking a party break.

Stephen didn't have anything to say about the big Cowboys news yesterday -- an alleged extortion plot involving pics of his father with two women.

But the best part of this clip ... is the scene ON the bus after they leave the club. The Cowboys staff is holding court with a bevy of club chicks ... the shades come down, and then the bus pulls out.

By the way, they did have a guide -- FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, who definitely knows his way around Hollywood hot spots (we see him out a lot in the off-season).

How 'bout dem Cowboys!
[IMG]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/08/06/080614-cowboys-bus-sub-3.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Wow! Rich guys like to party and enjoy strippers. Other then Jerry's wife who cares.

I have gone to strip clubs as a married man and my wife knows. Honestly the best place for a married man to go and not get laid is most likely a strip club. They want your $ not your cock.

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the extortion plot thing...unless someone was holding a gun off camera when those pictures were taken, then who cares?

Is that the new excuse now? Put that up there with he's going to rehab, my twitter was hacked, etc.

Dont put yourself in those situations to begin with, Jerry got some splaining to do imo

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[quote=mredskins;1077309]Correct, but after what we gave up for that trade the generally consistence is RGIII better turn out to be elite. [B]In order for us to have a playoff run this year RGIII got be pretty close to elite. [/B]This isn't Seattle where Wilson is being asked to be good and the better parts of that team care the load. In WAS a lot if not at all hinges on RGII's "eliteness" for this years team's ability to capture wins.[/quote]

IMO the team could improve just enough around RGIII that he might not need to carry the entire team. Secondary, Offensive line and covering kicks is not an insurmountable list of areas that need improvement.
Plugging the holes that made the ship sink last year in combination with RGIII improvement (RGIII not having to be elite) could be enough to get us in the playoffs. Our divisional opponents are not elite.

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[quote=Defensewins;1077313]IMO the team could improve just enough around RGIII that he might not need to carry the entire team. Secondary, Offensive line and covering kicks is not an insurmountable list of areas that need improvement.
Plugging the holes that made the ship sink last year in combination with RGIII improvement (RGIII not having to be elite) could be enough to get us in the playoffs. Our divisional opponents are not elite.[/quote]

True I agree with that as well. I guess I was more saying if the other parts didn't improve then we need a lot out of RGIII.

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We picked RGIII #2 overall in the draft. While he is young and and in a new system right now, he had better become elite sooner or later. You don't want to spend the #2 pick on a non-elite player.

But I agree with those who say what he needs to do more than anything this year is just win.

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I think we've seen he's pretty damn elite when healthy.

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[quote=Mattyk;1077316]I think we've seen he's pretty damn elite when healthy.[/quote]

Yup but that was not as a pocket passer. That was in his gimmick pistol formation.

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Lil patience with RG3, folks remember Andy Dalton.

Let Gruden and RG3 work together a little bit.

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[quote=Chico23231;1077318]Lil patience with RG3, folks remember Andy Dalton.

Let Gruden and RG3 work together a little bit.[/quote]

Yep. I didn't mean my remarks to indicate problems now.

You have returned us to the point: if we are being patient with RGIII, there ain't no way that Cousins is starting.

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[quote=Lotus;1077319]Yep. I didn't mean my remarks to indicate problems now.

You have returned us to the point: if we are being patient with RGIII, there ain't no way that Cousins is starting.[/quote]

You know if Robinson woulda come down in bounds, how different the media narrative woulda been this week?

what ive heard in camp is Rg3 timing has been off with his recievers and his rhythm isnt down yet. Thats just natural adapting to the system.

Im glad Colt and Kirk have played well behind him as well. But what bothers me is the media instance trolling of Kirk vs RG3 comparison. Thats yellow journalism...if you want to call it journalism.

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If Griffin comes out against Houston, has 250 to 300 yards, a couple td's, has a few back breaking runs for 40-50 yards, then backs that up against another bad team, then all the Cousins talk will go away. That will give him some early confidence to get going early. That's what he was drafted to do and he needs to start doing it against two bad teams with bad QB's. We can't wait around all season for him to grow into the job. The time to perform is now as everything is in place for him to have a great year. Other young QB's are doing it so he should too.

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I think the giants may have made some.key defensive acquisitions sneakily... if eli plays better they could be competitors for the division. .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1077321]If Griffin comes out against Houston, has 250 to 300 yards, a couple td's, has a few back breaking runs for 40-50 yards, then backs that up against another bad team, then all the Cousins talk will go away. That will give him some early confidence to get going early. That's what he was drafted to do and he needs to start doing it against two bad teams with bad QB's. We can't wait around all season for him to grow into the job. The time to perform is now as everything is in place for him to have a great year. Other young QB's are doing it so he should too.[/quote]

Ill take the win, with RG3 playing an error free game. But if we win and the special teams has 2 kick returns for td and 3-3 field goals, then im gonna get extremely excited.

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[quote=Lotus;1077315]We picked RGIII #2 overall in the draft. While he is young and and in a new system right now, he had better become elite sooner or later. You don't want to spend the #2 pick on a non-elite player.

But I agree with those who say what he needs to do more than anything this year is just win.[/quote]

It was the #2 pick, but there have been enough busts at high qb picks that I am willing to spend the #2 (+the rest) to have stability and good to great play at the qb and go forward building a team around that. Other than G1 no one thinks Eli is elite, but he has two SB rings because he played good to great at the right time. I think Griffin is and will always be, better than Eli, so now it's a matter of:
a) consistency
b) learning he doesn't have to expose his body for extra yards (probably the hardest thing)
c) building the rest of the team.

All of that is doable, and (a) is definitely coachable. My biggest worry with Griffin will be his instinct to get that last yard, even when that last yard might cost him his body.

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[quote=Meks;1077322]I think the giants may have made some.key defensive acquisitions sneakily... if eli plays better they could be competitors for the division. .[/quote]

Definitely. I think both the Giants and Eagles will be better this year, while the Cowboys fall back to around 3-6 wins. JPP healthy will help the Giants a lot, as will a better run game and a more passer-friendly scheme. The Eagles will regress a little on offense, but I think their defense will be better. NFC East predictions as of now? Eagles, Giants/Redskins, then Cowboys. We could easily take the division if RG plays well and a few other things happen.