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This is from pages back, but there might be something to sitting cousins, for these games, other than the picks.... If u think back to last year - this would be a very similar situation kirk would be put in, again... I'm not sure how many of our players aren't going to throw in the towel like we as fans have on this season... If kirk were to finish the season, I'm not sure it looks that much better for him than last seasons end did... And that IMO doesn't help anyone. I like cousins. I think he can and will improve.. But its like we all say almost every year..... Maybe next season we'll be a better team.

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Any prospect of collectively becoming Ravens or Steelers fans and rebranding the forum?

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[quote=Chico23231;1096194]Yeah but mortgaged the future with the draft picks, didn't protect his health and didn't do their due dillegence with effectively coaching the qb position. Brilliant. Eff them[/quote]

Is this serious? You think the shnnahans are the ones who put that trade package together and finalized this deal?

You know Shannahan wanted Tannehil right? And that Snyder pressed his team (again) to grab a player ther coaches weren't totally on board with.

I feel like this is all basic knowledge any resskins fan already knows...

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096311]There are 3 people that I know are media sources. I wouldn't classify and of them as friends of Snyder[/quote]

So just as many deepthroats as there are at a sorority house on a Saturday night. Jeez

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[quote=sevier2;1096321]Is this serious? You think the shnnahans are the ones who put that trade package together and finalized this deal?

You know Shannahan wanted Tannehil right? And that Snyder pressed his team (again) to grab a player ther coaches weren't totally on board with.

I feel like this is all basic knowledge any resskins fan already knows...[/quote]

No I didn't know because shanny had so much control over personel I thought this was his call too.

Everyone kept saying Dan had taken a big step back at that time, too. Damn chill

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Just because we f'ed up one QB pick (RG) doesn't mean we have to f up the other one (KC). Focus on building depth in the draft where we're thin and bring KC along with hope of getting something comparable to a Mark Rypien. Stop looking for the magic bullet.

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[quote=saden1;1096320]Any prospect of collectively becoming Ravens or Steelers fans and rebranding the forum?[/quote]

My vote is for Brandon Banks' CFL team

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1096291]
The only Redskins QB to light up the scoreboard and hit DeSean deep this year is Cousins... I believe that Colt is starting because Jay HATES, I mean strongly HATES turnovers by his QB...and Colt will be a game manager who won't lose the game... but Cousins moves this offense and puts more points up than any other QB we have...[/quote]

I agree with you and I believe cousins IS the qb for next year.

At this point Gruden knows what he has at qb. Right now he wants to evaluate the rest of the offense. To do that they need to be ON THE FIELD. He's putting the qb with the lowest turnover ratio in so he can get a longer look at our offense.

I think the off season is Cousins' to lose.

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With the trade for RGIII, we all hoped that our 20-year search for a franchise QB had come to an end. Now we are back to square one, with no more legit starters on the roster today than the days of Rex and Beck.

For a Redskins fan, fate is cruel.

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[quote=sevier2;1096326]I agree with you and I believe cousins IS the qb for next year.

At this point Gruden knows what he has at qb. Right now he wants to evaluate the rest of the offense. To do that they need to be ON THE FIELD. He's putting the qb with the lowest turnover ratio in so he can get a longer look at our offense.

I think the off season is Cousins' to lose.[/quote]

No.

You couldn't be more wrong lol.

Gruden actually like McCoy.

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I guess Joey T. was right.

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[quote=Bucket;1096328]No.

You couldn't be more wrong lol.

Gruden actually like McCoy.[/quote]

Well, seeing as you have all the answers, PLEASE inform me how this is all going to pan out.

I'll wait.

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Here's a sad stat:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/11/26/from-rypien-to-griffin-redskins-have-started-24-quarterbacks-since-13/]From Rypien to Griffin, Redskins have started 24 quarterbacks since 1993 | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1096322]So just as many deepthroats as there are at a sorority house on a Saturday night. Jeez[/quote]

i really peaked in college .. sigh.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1096093]I don't disagree with Colt starting. In fact, I'm looking forward to it; Colt does good, then there's something fundamentally wrong with RG3... And our o-line, though definitely not good, is not as awful as we think they are. If Colt sucks, then he is what we thought he was (and he probably is) and the o-line is probably playing a significant role in RG3's regression.



I'm okay with this.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Its still evaluation time for Griff. Just going about it alittle differently.


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[QUOTE=Bucket;1096113]I think Colt is going to surprise people.



Just saying.[/QUOTE]


Titans, Dallas. He does it again and I think it might be safe to say that at the very least we have a capable backup in DC.


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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1096169]Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated[/QUOTE]


I think Gruden wants to win a game. That simple. I dont think there are any ulterior motives whatsoever. Gruden has seen enough of RG-3 imo.


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1096332]Here's a sad stat:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/11/26/from-rypien-to-griffin-redskins-have-started-24-quarterbacks-since-13/]From Rypien to Griffin, Redskins have started 24 quarterbacks since 1993 | Fox News[/url][/quote]

Man, we really blew it in the 90's didn't we?

Gannon let go... Takes the Raiders (of all teams) a Super Bowl

B. Johnson let go... beats us in a playoff game... Wins a Super Bowl

T. Green let go... plays great for StL (16 tds, 5 ints) and ends up backup for a Super Bowl... then plays damn well for Chiefs, starting all 16 games over 5 seasons with a record of 44-36

Also crazy that since 1993 no QB has been our starter for more than 3 years, with the only guys to do 3 years as Frerotte, Brunell, Campbell, and RGIII

I guess instead of the famous 7-year itch.... This franchise (Snyder) gets a 3-year itch at QB...

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1096338]Man, we really blew it in the 90's didn't we?

Gannon let go... Takes the Raiders (of all teams) a Super Bowl

B. Johnson let go... beats us in a playoff game... Wins a Super Bowl

T. Green let go... plays great for StL (16 tds, 5 ints) and ends up backup for a Super Bowl... then plays damn well for Chiefs, starting all 16 games over 5 seasons with a record of 44-36

Also crazy that since 1993 no QB has been our starter for more than 3 years, with the only guys to do 3 years as Frerotte, Brunell, Campbell, and RGIII

I guess instead of the famous 7-year itch.... This franchise (Snyder) gets a 3-year itch at QB...[/quote]

Getting rid of Trent Green was the biggest mistake in my opinion, I was pissed when he was let go.

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Looking more closely... each guy in the Snyder era has been replaced with a "shiny new toy" that never worked long-term...

[B][I]EDITED[/I][/B]:

Gannon (solid, not shiny 4th Round Pick) replaced by Heath Shuler (1st Round,3rd overall pick) experiment...

Shuler/Frerotte (7th Round pick) replaced by Trent Green experiment, which worked pretty well... but we didn't want to pay him, so naturally...

Trent Green (solid, not shiny 8th Round pick) was replaced by Brad Johnson experiment, which worked pretty well... but this time...

[U]SNYDER ERA BEGINS[/U]:

Johnson (solid, not shiny 9th Round pick) replaced by Jeff George experiment (ooooooh shiny former 1st Round, 1st overall pick!)...

George replaced by Patrick Ramsey experiment (1st Round pick)...

Ramsey replaced by Jason Campbell experiment (1st Round Pick)...

Campbell replaced by McNabb experiment (ooooh shiny former 1st Round, 2nd overall pick!)...

McNabb/Grossman (1st Round pick) replaced by RGIII experiment (Shiny 1st Round, 2nd overall pick!)...

and now??

Snyder is CLEARLY not a Gannon (4th Round), Green (8th Round), Johnson (9th Round), Colt McCoy (3rd Round) kind of owner... he wants the next big, shiny, face of the NFL QB... and um... definitely drafted in the 1st Round... duh. So we shall see how this truly plays out between he and Gruden...

This Jay Gruden just happened to see (and here's the best part...) his brother Jon take Brad Johnson to Super Bowl win versus Rich Gannon, who Gruden had coached up the year before... Ha!

...so yes... he may just be looking at McCoy as his Johnson/Gannon (smart vet) that his brother used for success and wins...

SIDE NOTE: Um... maybe we should stay away from 1st Round QBs? Especially if drafting (or drafted) 1st to 3rd overall?!?

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Gannon and Green were before Snyder

Jay likes both Kirk and Colt

Who knows why people talk off record. Everyone has their own reasons.

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Well, poop. Really hard to see us move on from RG, but I'll cheer just as hard for Colt this Sunday. He comes across as a genuinely good kid, very humble. God knows we're due for some good fortune and maybe Colt will be it, arm strength isn't everything lol. Maybe he's the next Chad Pennington??

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096292]I think that he feels Kirk needs to sit and learn right now and start fresh with him next off season.

I totally get your point though.[/quote]

I like this move. While McCoy is not the long term answer, he might be the best prepared at this time (on this roster) to run the offense the way it is supposed to be run. Instead of seeing RGIII call Gruden's play in the huddle and panic during the play and abandon ship. The offense really just needs a Qb to run the offense correctly and lead by example. He does not need to carry the offense or try to win it himself.
This could be the best teaching tool for everyone. Plus if McCoy can make the offense work, which is not not a guarantee, it will calm down the frustrations the open receivers have.
If Cousins and RGIII can take something away from this time, learn something and improve, that is what matters most. Not throwing them in unprepared and get the snot kicked out to them (RGIII) or forcing bad throws (Cousins). That is not evaluating. That is watching a unprepared QB implode.

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Trent green was before DS but I see what your saying. It's been a sad train wreck of an organization since Dan took over. Honestly I don't see it changing

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1096287]Ok now I'm totes lost. Jay likes Kirk (longterm?) but will start Colt for now? That doesn't make sense. If Kirk is the next best hope, wouldn't you want him to get the reps and time?



Maybe Jay doesn't know what the hell he's doing...[/QUOTE]


Need to win games. Rite now Colt is the guy. Doesnt mean he will be forever.


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the move had to be made, imo.

every time I think back to that photo analysis against Tampa, the one where 5 receivers were open and none got the ball....wow, that was the turning point for me.

he's got a long way to go, but on the bright side, the 'skins usually have a long off season!

Here's hoping Colt can help find a few wins down the stretch.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1096332]Here's a sad stat:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/11/26/from-rypien-to-griffin-redskins-have-started-24-quarterbacks-since-13/]From Rypien to Griffin, Redskins have started 24 quarterbacks since 1993 | Fox News[/url][/quote]

That is one ugly list of guys who had seen better days and other team's throwaways.

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[quote=Daseal;1096159]The OL excuse is greatly exagurated. Griffin at times had immediate pressure, and made rushed mistakes. I also saw him hold the ball multiple times for 4-6 seconds. In the NFL, that's all you get even with a good line. The line was giving AlfMo some running room. Our line won't be confused for the top half of the league, but they're more than capable of giving him time to throw to his wide open WRs he's missing. RG3 is done. Time to give it up.[/quote]

I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1096355]I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.[/quote]

There's definitely some people in denial here that the O-line may not be as awful as everyone thinks. There are obvious issues that need to be addressed during the off-season, (i.e Polumbus, Chester) but I think it's easier for people to come to terms with, "we have no depth at O-line and everyone sucks" than it is to deal with "we screwed ourselves to make a deal for a franchise QB who may or may not be a bust"

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Something I heard brought by Doc And Bmitch. I really was not to happy with benching Robert and not finding out if he can play with these remaining games.
But the guys pointed out that there is whole roster of players who train and work they're ass off that do it to win, campaign for a spot, make incentives, bonus, etc.....to win!
And if Robert stays in.....JG will lose the locker room as a result

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Or it could be Gruden was losing the locker room already, and feels like he needed to divert attention. It would be easier to make the case if the rest of his group looked sharp and well prepared. They never did though regardless of QB.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1096355]I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.[/quote]

Someone posted stats that showed that Robert was sacked at a rate that was about four times greater than the sack rates of the other two QB's. That would seem to add weight to your argument.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1096355]I know don't know if Cooley's film breakdown is the gospel or not but it is the only one I've heard that explains his conclusions with plays from the game.

Cooley said 4 of the 6 sacks against San Fran were on the qb and 2 were on the line.

I agree the line is an easy target when the qb goes down but the criticism isn't always fair.[/quote]

He's not the only one. Just about everyone that breaks down the film (Cosell and um, RG3's own coaches the last 2 years) can plainly see that he is responsible for most of the sacks he takes. And when teams know you can't read Defenses and hold onto the ball too long, they just ramp up the pressure even more. Good QBs punish the blitz and therefore don't get blitzed as much. See also: Jason Campbell and Todd Collins. Same O-line looked totally different blocking for both QBs.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1096360]Or it could be Gruden was losing the locker room already, and feels like he needed to divert attention. It would be easier to make the case if the rest of his group looked sharp and well prepared. They never did though regardless of QB.[/quote]

Those wide open Receivers looked pretty sharp. If RG3 was playing at even a basic level of competency, the team and coaching staff would probably be willing to stick it out with him. But, he's "not even close" as Gruden himself said.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1096359]Something I heard brought by Doc And Bmitch. I really was not to happy with benching Robert and not finding out if he can play with these remaining games.

But the guys pointed out that there is whole roster of players who train and work they're ass off that do it to win, campaign for a spot, make incentives, bonus, etc.....to win!

And if Robert stays in.....JG will lose the locker room as a result[/QUOTE]


Handfuls of posters on this board have been saying that same thing for days.


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[QUOTE=44Deezel;1096363]Those wide open Receivers looked pretty sharp. If RG3 was playing at even a basic level of competency, the team and coaching staff would probably be willing to stick it out with him. But, he's "not even close" as Gruden himself said.[/QUOTE]


Defense might even look better if the offense can stay on the field for more than a farts length.


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We are gonna see.

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Some of the things Gruden has been saying has been brutal. I am all for honesty, but maybe this is too much honesty. Also all the media stories make it out to be like RG3 has been kicked out of the NFL or he died.

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As my Dad likes to say, 'no good can come of this.' I just don't know what to say. I don't think I have felt this low about the future of the team since 2009.

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[quote=44Deezel;1096363]Those wide open Receivers looked pretty sharp. If RG3 was playing at even a basic level of competency, the team and coaching staff would probably be willing to stick it out with him. But, he's "not even close" as Gruden himself said.[/quote]

DJax had that perfect toss from RG bounce off his hands on Sunday. RG is the only QB on the roster who can make that throw.

I don't want to give Snyder too much credit, but letting McCoy start probably tells us whether Gruden should keep his job after the season. If McCoy disappoints, Gruden will have burned through every QB on the roster in a single season. After Colt there's nobody else to focus on but Jay. Next 5 weeks will be interesting.