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In defense of the fact that he did not know what the nuclear triad is he is not a rocket scientist Giant one! Lol.

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Just face it you cannot argue with Trumpers. It does not matter that you have video proof. It just is not true!

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Looks like the Hillary Youth doesnt know what a delivery system is.
That would be a submarine or a B-52 or an ICBM and what will be the 2018/2037 bomber.
The nuclear triad is a term that encapsulates the layered means we have of delivering nukes and a way to keep some of our nukes alive (which would most likely be our Ohio class subs) in the event of a necessary retaliatory strike.
I'm pretty sure all of our incoming presidents knew very little about it.
If you think Donald Trump doesnt know what an ICBM/B-52/missle sub does then you are a fool.
Yea, looks like he stumbled on knowing what a catch phrase/ military term is.
And in the video he appears to also dodge the term.
But you guys are just playing "gotcha" with a term.

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[quote=Giantone;1158861]Joe , how can knowing that the man who just got elected by preaching racism,bigotry and hatred to the highest position in the country not bother you?You admit he is "not in touch with reality" a small minority of voters voted him in and you seem fine with it.You make an assumption that Trump is talking over my head just becuase I didn't want him elected.Politics I can take or leave and living in Maryland I am use to the Democratic side of life and we manage to get Larry Hogan in and people love him both Dems and Republicans .Point is Trump is not about polotics ,Trump could very well get this country into a spot we will never get out .He did not know what the Nuclear Triad was,you are a smart man,how does this not scare you?[/quote]

First, to be clear, and as CRed has already pointed out, Trump was not put in office by "a small minority of voters."

Trump is a demagogue. I dislike all demagogues b/c they play on emotion and seek to destroy thoughtful dialogue. When I said Trump is not in touch with reality, I was referring to his ability to completely manipulate facts or just outright deny facts as he sees fit. He then "creates his own reality" which justifies his actions, leaving his critics helplessly claiming "you can't do that." Too late, he has ... and while the left screams "see! see! he's doing it again!", Trump has moved on to his next reality creating moment. The left's Pavlovian, and equally clueless, reaction to this dog and pony show just amuses the crap out of me. Doesn't mean I think Trump is great guy, I just happen to love when "smug" gets smacked.

Trump said many things that were truly horrible, but I wouldn't characterize him as "preaching racism bigotry and hatred." There is a difference between making stupid remarks and actively "preaching" bigotry and hate. Hitler preached bigotry and hate, Trump did not. Again, as is often the case on the left, by lumping in offensive actions with those that are truly evil, real evil is marginalized and distorted. Trump may ultimately end up a fervent anti-democrat (small d) and adopt the worst of the nativist movement, but he is not a fascist and did not "preach" that kind of hate and bigotry.

Rather, in a very non-pc way, Trump has consistently said America must put Americans first. There are groups and individuals who will always find racism in that sentiment - nativism has long been the refuge of prejudice and ignorance. Given his "wink-wink, nod-nod" attitude toward these individuals and groups during the campaign and his statements about women, yes - I am more than a little concerned that he will end up deepening the rift that divides us in this country.

I am not Trump fanatic by any means. I have serious concerns about his Presidency - some that have been mentioned some that have not. At the same time, I don't believe the apocalypse is on its way or that he will "get this country into a spot we will never get out." Sorry, Trump is just not as dumb as the left seems to think he is.

My point throughout this has simply been to point out that, barring the apocalypse it so confidently predicts (of course, the left confidently predicted that Trump didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell in the first place), the left is bound to lose to him again in 2020 if they don't learn from 2016.

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I do not understand your "smug" reference? Am I smug?
Also, if you keep calling him out you raise awareness. Eventually he will cross thee line, not just a line. Than all of the "look he's doing it again"s will pay dividends. It is when you just shut up and accept things that there truly is no hope.

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Hard to believe Bill Gates could be so duped:

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bill-gates-trumps-messaging-strategy-162410040.html"]Trump's messaging strategy reminds me of John F. Kennedy[/URL]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1158898]Hard to believe Bill Gates could be so duped:



[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bill-gates-trumps-messaging-strategy-162410040.html"]Trump's messaging strategy reminds me of John F. Kennedy[/URL][/QUOTE]



Are you being sarcastic?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1158897]I do not understand your "smug" reference? Am I smug?[/QUOTE]


The smugs are those who (1) [I]gleefully[/I] predicted Trump's failure; (2) blame Clinton's loss on the stupidity/racism/[insert derogatory remark] of people who voted for Trump; and (3) without relying on (2), are generally clueless as to why Trump won.

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1) if you hate Trump as you say you do than why does it bother you that people gleefully predicted his failure?
2) maybe im wrong but isn't it the Trumpers who throw around the deplorable word? Aren't they the ones who say "she should not have said that"?
3) i do not think why Trump won is really important, but I also do not think that anyone can point to exactly why or how he did win.

Edit: doesn't it bother you when you hear people go "lawyers this and lawyers that". Your all the same.
I feel like anyone who speaks out against Trump gets generalized like a lawyer. In your opinion We are all "smugs". Just not the case. Way too many levels to all of this.
There are idiots on every side of every equation. It just puzzles me that your hatred of the "smugs" outweighs your hatred of Trump - the man who, in your words, paints his own reality- and is now in charge of our country?

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[quote=punch it in;1158899]Are you being sarcastic?[/quote]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1158903][IMG]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/bigbangtheory/images/f/fc/Sarcasm.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121009192217[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Ok. Lol. I figured. So in that case who cares what Bill Gates thinks. All that money turns your mind to mush. Lol.

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People just need to get over it already. Stein is spending more on the recount than she did for her bid. Wtf is wrong with this socialist bitch?

The electoral is in place to help the rural areas and I like that, even though I live in urban areas. Someone like a farmer actually has a voice. So even though Billary had more votes, she got crushed in the electoral and lost fair and square. Her campaign sucked and she has no one to blame but herself. Trump out hustled her.

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Trumpers << a derogatory word for an idiot.
Example - You voted for Trump, therefore you are an idiot. You are a Trumper.

Nothing smug about that. << sarcasm

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1158906]Trumpers << a derogatory word for an idiot.

Example - You voted for Trump, therefore you are an idiot. You are a Trumper.



Nothing smug about that. << sarcasm[/QUOTE]



Wrong. I say Trumper because for the first time ever I cant really refer to the other side as republicans. I suppose i could write "people who voted for Trump" every time but that would be politically correct. How ironic?

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If I wanted to refer to an entire group of people as idiots i would use the word idiot. However that is not my belief or intention.
Thanks for your thoughts on what I meant though. Much appreciated.

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Pretty good stuff right there though Alvin. You see that is how lines are drawn. Anything people say against Trump or sometimes even just a simple word "trumper" gets put into a neat little box. The boxes are labeled "whiner", "smug", "derogatory " etc The same could be said in reverse too.
Everyone needs to stop being so black and white. Everyone has something to teach others, and something to learn from others.

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[quote=punch it in;1158907]Wrong. I say Trumper because for the first time ever I cant really refer to the other side as republicans. I suppose i could write "people who voted for Trump" every time but that would be politically correct. How ironic?[/quote]

After all the vitriol you have spouted in this thread you expect me to believe that?
pfffftttttt

And voting for the lesser of two evils does not make you a Trumper.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1158905]People just need to get over it already. Stein is spending more on the recount than she did for her bid. Wtf is wrong with this socialist bitch?

The electoral is in place to help the rural areas and I like that, even though I live in urban areas. Someone like a farmer actually has a voice. So even though Billary had more votes, she got crushed in the electoral and lost fair and square. Her campaign sucked and she has no one to blame but herself. Trump out hustled her.[/quote]

Its amazing...that money could have help a lot folks. I was hoping she would see the pointless/hapless exercise it was and just donate the funds to like the people of Flint or something.

Its really just shows what folks like her and Bernie are all about, wasting hard earn money. Frivolous spending. I cant believe people don't talk about the debt position this joke of a president Obama has put us in. Its really amazing the media doesn't cover this guy.

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I actually am glad the recount was done, futile as it was. I wish Detroit's had been recounted, I'm willing to bet it's hard to validate dead people's votes ;)

Seriously though, it's pretty amazing that out of just under 3million votes the accuracy rate was 99.97% (0.03% error). Given that most automatic recounts happen around a .5% margin I think it does show the US election system is pretty solid. I know it's one state out of 50, but still it ought to be a positive that Wisconsin was able to audit their whole system thanks to the green party. Truthfully that is probably the best 3.5Million spent by that party EVER (mainly cuz otherwise they would just use it to pay for Jill to run again). The Libertarians may try doing that going forward, I mean think how many nude convention speakers (and glaucoma medicine) they can get for THAT much dough!

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1158914]After all the vitriol you have spouted in this thread you expect me to believe that?

pfffftttttt



And voting for the lesser of two evils does not make you a Trumper.[/QUOTE]



Slow down dude. You are such a trouble maker. I hate Trump. I do not hate everyone who voted for him.
You can tell me what it is that I meant as many times as you want but I promise I will always know what I meant better.
Trump is something this country has never seen. Do you honestly not get that referring to his voters as republicans does not seem right? So again what is it I am supposed to say when referencing you all? Trumpers. Wtf? Fuckers would be a knock. Dbags would be a knock. The dudes name is Trump for christ sake. So Trumpers it is. If that offends you than I guess you should have voted for someone else.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158917]Its amazing...that money could have help a lot folks. I was hoping she would see the pointless/hapless exercise it was and just donate the funds to like the people of Flint or something.



Its really just shows what folks like her and Bernie are all about, wasting hard earn money. Frivolous spending. I cant believe people don't talk about the debt position this joke of a president Obama has put us in. Its really amazing the media doesn't cover this guy.[/QUOTE]



So what kind of new car are you getting once Trump gets in? Any big vacations planned? Drawing up plans for the new house yet?
Lol

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1158924]Slow down dude. You are such a trouble maker. I hate Trump. I do not hate everyone who voted for him.
You can tell me what it is that I meant as many times as you want but I promise I will always know what I meant better.
Trump is something this country has never seen. Do you honestly not get that referring to his voters as republicans does not seem right? So again what is it I am supposed to say when referencing you all? Trumpers? Wtf? Fuckers would be a knock. Dbags would be a knock. The dudes name is Trump for christ sake. So Trumpers it is. If that offends you than I guess you should have voted for someone else.[/QUOTE]
I actually like the idea of a new party. Like Teddy Roosevelt's Populist Party.

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This statement from President Obama blew my mind. In his end of year interview, while talking about the Russian involvement in hacking the election cycle the following information was stated: ([URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/16/transcript-obamas-end-of-year-news-conference-on-syria-russian-hacking-and-more/?utm_term=.4902a9bf445f"]Transcript of Pres Obama End of Year News Conference[/URL])

[QUOTE]And [B]so in early September [/B]when I saw President Putin in China, I felt that the most effective way to ensure that that did not happen was to talk to him directly and [B]tell him to cut it out, there were going to be some serious consequences if he did not[/B].

[B]And in fact, we did not see further tampering of the election process.[/B] But the leaks through Wikileaks had already occurred.[/QUOTE]

So, in fact, Pres Obama is stating that all this broughaha over the Russian hacking had 0 effect on the actual votes or voting. In fact it was all done and over 3 weeks before the first debate.

Amazing.

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before we all get high and mighty that Russia was hacking away in cyberspace

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/germany-has-reasons-to-be-mad-about-us-espionage/2014/07/15/570184be-0b82-11e4-8341-b8072b1e7348_story.html?utm_term=.5f9d4801fe33"]germany-has-reasons-to-be-mad-about-us-espionage[/URL]

[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/?utm_term=.d629f27ed7d7]the long history of the US interfering with elections elsewhere[/url]

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-us-has-been-meddling-in-other-countries-elections-for-a-century-it-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd]The U.S. Has Been Meddling In Other Countries' Elections For A Century. It Doesn't Feel Good. | The Huffington Post[/url]

My honest guess is that the Russians probably were trying to help Bernie, more than Trump, but we will never know that. But from the Huffington post article:
[quote]Lakewood, Colorado, delegate Kim Netherton said it’s beside the point whether agents of Russian President Vladimir Putin hacked the Democratic National Committee’s emails, as reported this month. And it may come with a little poetic justice for Hillary Clinton, according to Netherton.

“Isn’t it interesting that her campaign is now experiencing the same thing that she perpetrated on other countries,” Netherton told The Huffington Post, as she awaited Sanders’ speech Monday night.

“She did this in Haiti, she did this in Honduras, and now it’s coming back on her and she’s all verklempt about it,” Netherton added. “It’s a little bit of her own medicine, but unfortunately I don’t think she’s open minded enough to see that for what it is.”[/quote]

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So is this a case of everyone is doing it so we shouldn't be upset?

I'm well aware of the US having a storied history of meddling in other countries affairs, propping up false governments, assassinations, etc., but to have something happen here and to see so many people shrug their shoulders about it is very disappointing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1158901]The smugs are those who (1) [I]gleefully[/I] predicted Trump's failure; (2) blame Clinton's loss on the stupidity/racism/[insert derogatory remark] of people who voted for Trump; and (3) without relying on (2), are generally clueless as to why Trump won.[/quote]

Well, just as all Trump voters aren't ignorant racist hicks from the sticks, all Clinton supporters aren't smug and snobby city folk.

I think we've all got more in common than not, trouble is the focus is always on the extremes.

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[quote=MTK;1159014]Well, just as all Trump voters aren't ignorant racist hicks from the sticks, [B]all Clinton supporters aren't smug and snobby city folk[/B].

I think we've all got more in common than not, trouble is the focus is always on the extremes.[/quote]

Are you sure? I'm not a Hillary supporter, but boy do I love sniffing my own farts while driving around in my hybrid.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1159013]So is this a case of everyone is doing it so we shouldn't be upset?

I'm well aware of the US having a storied history of meddling in other countries affairs, propping up false governments, assassinations, etc., but to have something happen here and to see so many people shrug their shoulders about it is very disappointing.[/QUOTE]
No its more the case of timing. Before the election President Obama, HC along with many of a group sang a huge refrain of let it go and respect of the results if you lose.

President Obama in the above interview acknowledges that all of this was done BEFORE they lectured Trump on accepting the results. President Obama acknowledges that any interference that did happen stopped long before the debates and there was no tampering with the voting itself thanks to his direct involvement.

But now that HC lost, rather than a honest self examination of how a person, ANY person, could lose to Trump, the core democratic reflection is on an occurrence that President Obama acknowledges had no direct impact.



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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1159028]

But now that HC lost, rather than a honest self examination of how a person, ANY person, could lose to Trump, the core democratic reflection is on an occurrence that President Obama acknowledges had no direct impact.



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Was it not Trump who was screaming though the campaign that the election was rigged?
Was it not Trump who would not agree to the election results if he lost?
Is it not the FBI ,CIA and NSA all saying the same thing?
Sorry but Wikileaks has no credibility ,none.
None of the Agencies have said a word about what it is they think happen or how or when.
Pretty sure Obama didn't give out all the pertinent info in that interview.
Do you really believe this or worse would not be going on had Trump lost?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1159030]Was it not Trump who was screaming though the campaign that the election was rigged?
Was it not Trump who would not agree to the election results if he lost?
Is it not the FBI ,CIA and NSA all saying the same thing?
Sorry but Wikileaks has no credibility ,none.
None of the Agencies have said a word about what it is they think happen or how or when.
Pretty sure Obama didn't give out all the pertinent info in that interview.
Do you really believe this or worse would not be going on had Trump lost?[/QUOTE]
I don't know. Chances are Trump would have screamed and hollered. But he basically said he would. President Obama and HC were strident that if he did it would have been a ridiculous attempt by a vain man and that there was no indication that the election results would be influenced by anyone.

The reason I point to President Obama's interview is because in it he says that from early September there was no more interference. That means that most of the hacking took place during the primaries. So this outrage now is just political showmanship like Trump's hollering and screaming would have been.

As an aside - Who would the Russians rather have in a 3way question - HC Bernie or Trump. We know for a fact that NOONE wants HC in a 3 way so I have to say that the Russians were preferring Bernie and Trump.

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[quote=MTK;1159013]So is this a case of everyone is doing it so we shouldn't be upset?

I'm well aware of the US having a storied history of meddling in other countries affairs, propping up false governments, assassinations, etc., but to have something happen here and to see so many people shrug their shoulders about it is very disappointing.[/quote]

The Putin does whatever he wants because Obama and the Obama administration has failed miserably time and time again to curb the Russian influence and aggression throughout the world. Let's take account: Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Snowden, NATO and the European Union, Iran and Russia coming arms deal: [url=http://thediplomat.com/2016/11/iran-and-russia-negotiating-10-billion-arms-deal/]Iran and Russia Negotiating $10 Billion Arms Deal | The Diplomat[/url]

And now the hacks during the election.

The most disappointing thing to me is why is Russia issue now? Dems always have their head buried in the sand until it's too late. Where was the outrage before?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1159032]I don't know. Chances are Trump would have screamed and hollered. But he basically said he would. President Obama and HC were strident that if he did it would have been a ridiculous attempt by a vain man and that there was no indication that the election results would be influenced by anyone.

The reason I point to President Obama's interview is because in it he says that from early September there was no more interference. That means that most of the hacking took place during the primaries. So this outrage now is just political showmanship like Trump's hollering and screaming would have been.

As an aside - Who would the Russians rather have in a 3way question - HC Bernie or Trump. We know for a fact that NOONE wants HC in a 3 way so I have to say that the Russians were preferring Bernie and Trump.

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See I disagree and I point to the New Oil deal that Russia was just a major part of,Putin likes Trump and visa versa.The people in this country will pay for that.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1159038]See I disagree and I point to the New Oil deal that Russia was just a major part of,Putin likes Trump and visa versa.The people in this country will pay for that.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure which part you disagree with that the gas deal proves. I do agree gas is going up but that's because of Trump's promises to coal and fracking interests Russian and opec price fixing won't set the cost of gas for the US it will be around the profit point for fracking.
To be clear I think Trump will take a hard line with China and be more friendly to Russia. But I believe the Russian interference was directly related to Clinton Putin hates her and what she did as SoS (all the spring movements) and far less dependent on who the Republican candidate was.

Does it make it more palatable? Not really, but I think the Democratic outrage is pure politics to try and put spin on the transition.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1159041]I'm not sure which part you disagree with that the gas deal proves. I do agree gas is going up but that's because of Trump's promises to coal and fracking interests Russian and opec price fixing won't set the cost of gas for the US it will be around the profit point for fracking.
To be clear I think Trump will take a hard line with China and be more friendly to Russia. But I believe the Russian interference was directly related to Clinton Putin hates her and what she did as SoS (all the spring movements) and far less dependent on who the Republican candidate was.

Does it make it more palatable? Not really, but I think the Democratic outrage is pure politics to try and put spin on the transition.

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Yeah, the amount of crying from democrats has been hysterical since the election. Everything will be spun the worst way possible now, especially by internet whiners and CNN/MSNBC/etc.

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Where the hell is the evidence of this
Russian hacking? The
CIA just said so? These liberals need any scapegoat they can grasp for just because they can't comprehend how their candidate pulled a
"Romney" by calling half the voters " deplorables", not too mention the corruption, and the wacky health episodes. No these reasons aren't why she lost, it is Russia's fault. Way to kill two birds with one stone. Deligitmize an incoming president and really get a new cold war going.

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[quote=Giantone;1159038]See I disagree and I point to the New Oil deal that Russia was just a major part of,Putin likes Trump and visa versa.The people in this country will pay for that.[/quote]

How will Americans pay dearly for better relations with Russia because of an oil deal? Ever sea a geological map of the Siberia oil/ gas fields? If
Exxon gets to drill there it might not be a bad thing at all. That is one huge gigantic oil reserve there man!!! I rather take Russian oil than continue to frack. Everywhere they frack, the water table is poisoned. The only folks who profit from a new cold war are the corporations of the industrial military complex.

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"Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!" Twitter trump


Lol...this guy is president. Sounds like the biggest prick

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[quote=Chico23231;1160422]"Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!" Twitter trump


Lol...this guy is president. Sounds like the biggest prick[/quote]

Doesn't surprise me, he is who he is, a big time jerk and immature as all hell. Just the type to run the free world, god help us.

I just hope I can learn to tune out his BS out for the next 4 years.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1160422]"Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!" Twitter trump





Lol...this guy is president. Sounds like the biggest prick[/QUOTE]



He is not just a jerk. He is mentally ill. He actually probably needs serious help.

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[url=http://wtvr.com/2017/01/03/ford-700-jobs-trump/]Ford cancels Mexico plant; calls it ‘vote of confidence’ for Trump | WTVR.com[/url]

Boom Trump strikes again!