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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1161911]8-7-1 is a winning season, but I will not argue with the theory that you are as good as your last 4-6 games.

The Cowboys, for example, finished the season 2-2...[/quote]
You can count Week 16 at Philly all you want. But the Cowboys mailed that game in. They promoted a bunch of fodder off of the practice squad and let them play with 'Butt Fumble" the entire second half. Cowboys win came when they got out of that game without significant injuries to any starters.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1162229]I did not say that the 'Skins are not getting better. I did not say they got any worse, nor that they are status quo. All I asked (I did NOT say). But I asked a fargin' question. You guys have never given a crap about what I think anyway. So that is why I asked a question.



Question I asked is whether 8-7-1 is more indicative of who you are today or is 2-4?



Lets look at it another way. Would you rather have finished the last 6 weeks of season at 4-2 to be at 8-7-1? Or 2-4 and finish at 8-7-1?



And yes and concur. Put the rest of the league on notice, the NFC Beast is back.[/QUOTE]



Who cares when you win games? There are so many contributing factors. Injuries, suspensions (like Trents), etc etc. Who gives a crap about only the last few weeks? Like someone else asked you "do you consider Dallas a .500 team because they finished the year 2-2. If you lose next week 2-3?
Your question about how you gauge a team based on their finish cannot exclude your team? So either we are coming off a winning season, or (if you lose) we are both losers?
And just for the record you are not a troll imo and I do care what you have to say. Same as Giant one and Honolulu Blue.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1162229]I did not say that the 'Skins are not getting better. I did not say they got any worse, nor that they are status quo. All I asked (I did NOT say). But I asked a fargin' question. You guys have never given a crap about what I think anyway. So that is why I asked a question.

Question I asked is whether 8-7-1 is more indicative of who you are today or is 2-4?

Lets look at it another way. Would you rather have finished the last 6 weeks of season at 4-2 to be at 8-7-1? Or 2-4 and finish at 8-7-1?

And yes and concur. Put the rest of the league on notice, the NFC Beast is back.[/quote]

Back to back winning seasons (C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y) with a talented core of players clearly has the Skins what they actually are 8-7-1. Like I said, your reaching, wanting to believe.

Keep chasing those fucking windmills, Don Quixote. You understand that, or you need more help explaining the analogy?

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Would I rather go out on a winning streak? Absolutely. Is your last half record indicative of the direction of your team as a whole? I 100% disagree. I just think it's some talking point by Kirwan. Were we the team that swept the last few games with RG3 at the helm? Just like everyone else is saying, there are a TON of factors. Everyone wants to go in hot, but if you don't, your team isn't any shittier.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1162224]C'mon? Be serious now. Your just looking at my avatar and trying to write sh*t off.

But you know and I know as well as anyone else knows that if a team, any team, starts a season off 9-0 and finishes 0-7 there will be coaches looking for jobs. Even a head coach. Sure 9-7 is a 'winning season' by simple math. But that 0-7 finish is a coffin nail.

Someone in Landover agress. [B]Washington was in first place in the division for a short time this season.[/B] Then they finish 2-4 and the entire defensive staff gets fired.[/quote]

typical uneducated cowboys fan, you don't even realize that your own team was in first place wire to wire this year. Go somewhere else peddle your stupidity.

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He has a point. Aaron Rodgers is 7-0 (aka Sandtrap's version of undefeated) and is about to kick the shit out of his overrated squad.

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per Doc Walker..... Mike Pettine seen at Redskin Park (today?)

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1162228]The two are mutually exclusive? I'm intrigued.[/QUOTE]



Is this real life?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162243]per Doc Walker..... Mike Pettine seen at Redskin Park (today?)[/quote]

he did a good job in NY

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162243]per Doc Walker..... Mike Pettine seen at Redskin Park (today?)[/quote]

interesting name...Rex Ryan disciple.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1162245]he did a good job in NY[/quote]

Former Browns coach.....pass

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1162247]Former Browns coach.....pass[/quote]

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He has done a decent job with a few different defenses in different capacities. I will not pass on him for being head coach of the Browns, I will actually give him a pass. Nobody wins in that shit show.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1162244]Is this real life?[/QUOTE]



Only for the last few weeks. Before that doesn't count. Lol

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Mike Pettine is a quite good defensive coach, I just wanted an excuse to post a Pitch Perfect reference.

He had good defenses with both the Jets and Bills as a coordinator.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1162253]Mike Pettine is a quite good defensive coach, I just wanted an excuse to post a Pitch Perfect reference.



He had good defenses with both the Jets and Bills as a coordinator.[/QUOTE]



It was a perfect reference. I agree. This guy is now my number one candidate for the job.....

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[quote=hutch17;1162238]typical uneducated cowboys fan, you don't even realize that your own team was in first place wire to wire this year. Go somewhere else peddle your stupidity.[/quote]
How is it possible to be wire to wire division winner when you lose week 1 to a division opponent?

AND I'M UNEDUCATED!?

You may accuse me of peddling my stupidity, but at least I do not put it out on display.
What is IN the water around here?

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1162256]How is it possible to be wire to wire division winner when you lose week 1 to a division opponent?



What is IN the water around here?[/QUOTE]



You said the Redskins were in first place early on. They were not.
They were never in first place. Yes the Giants were for the first week or two? I believe from week 3 or 4 on the Cowboys were in first place. Your statement was way off base unlike Hutch's.
And you did put it on display? Lol. You only need to scroll back slightly to see where you said "for a short time this year the Skins were in first place"????? Than they go 2-4 down the stretch and fire their defensive staff?? Lol. You make it sound like we were cruising to a division title mid way through the season? Way off base man. Hutch at least for the most part was correct. The Cowboys were in first place in the division for 90 % of the year...

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1162256]How is it possible to be wire to wire division winner when you lose week 1 to a division opponent?

AND I'M UNEDUCATED!?

You may accuse me of peddling my stupidity, but at least I do not put it out on display.
What is IN the water around here?[/quote]

Well, first of all, the Redskins were never in first place of the division during this year at all. At best, they were in second place or tied for second with the Giants, but never first place.

Secondly, they didn't lose week one to a division opponent. Week one was Pittsburgh.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29714/in-hindsight-redskins-2016-offseason-doesnt-look-as-strong]In hindsight, Redskins' 2016 offseason doesn't look as strong - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

agree, last offseason not good. Doctson pick and free agency wasn't good. We need to be stronger in free agency this year and cant wait to til the draft to fix holes.

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With draft picks you have to give it more time than just a season to declare it a good pick or bad pick. We do know that Doctson didn't help us in 2016 but that doesn't mean he won't. What if he's AJ Green for the next 3 years before we have to pay him big money? Having a big playmaker at WR on the cheap can be a big advantage. Let's see on him.

Last year we didn't have the same cap space as we do this year. That said, the moves McC did make whiffed big time. I agree, he must be more aggressive in free agency this go round.

If I were Gruden, going into a make or break season for my coaching prospects in 2018, I'd be down his throat about making moves. And frankly, he's right. I still want McC to be prudent, but it would do us no good to have $20M in cap space going unused. Hope he feels free to overpay a bit to avoid repeating last year. Get aggressive, still avoid guaranteed contracts that could hamstring us for 4 years, but gotta go for something. He's got to walk that line this year.

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In one sense it's a shame. If you're drafting really well you don't need to dip into free agency so much. The player he hit on that I would have loved to see develop is Kyshoen Jarrett. Dude was flat balling at the end of his rookie season when he got hurt. He could have been a genuine answer at safety.

But, spilled milk. Can't cry. Bottom line is we now need a safety.

Sometimes when your picks don't work out you've got to use the cap space to find a replacement. We need to come up with an answer at that position, bad luck with Jarrett or not.

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[quote=Schneed10;1162541]In one sense it's a shame. [COLOR="Red"]If you're drafting really well [/COLOR]you don't need to dip into free agency so much. The player he hit on that I would have loved to see develop is Kyshoen Jarrett. Dude was flat balling at the end of his rookie season when he got hurt. He could have been a genuine answer at safety.

But, spilled milk. Can't cry. Bottom line is we now need a safety.

Sometimes when your picks don't work out you've got to use the cap space to find a replacement. We need to come up with an answer at that position, bad luck with Jarrett or not.[/quote]

And when you have only 2 draft picks (Cravens + Fuller) contribute you better do a great job in free agency.

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[quote=Schneed10;1162540]With draft picks you have to give it more time than just a season to declare it a good pick or bad pick. We do know that Doctson didn't help us in 2016 but that doesn't mean he won't. What if he's AJ Green for the next 3 years before we have to pay him big money? Having a big playmaker at WR on the cheap can be a big advantage. Let's see on him.

Last year we didn't have the same cap space as we do this year. That said, the moves McC did make whiffed big time. I agree, he must be more aggressive in free agency this go round.

If I were Gruden, going into a make or break season for my coaching prospects in 2018, I'd be down his throat about making moves. And frankly, he's right. I still want McC to be prudent, but it would do us no good to have $20M in cap space going unused. Hope he feels free to overpay a bit to avoid repeating last year. Get aggressive, still avoid guaranteed contracts that could hamstring us for 4 years, but gotta go for something. He's got to walk that line this year.[/quote]

I think they carried over last year knowing KC was coming due. That 18Mil (i think?) from last year will go along way to writing a contract for KC that makes him happy and doesn't jeopardize the franchise.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1162557]I think they carried over last year knowing KC was coming due. That 18Mil (i think?) from last year will go along way to writing a contract for KC that makes him happy and doesn't jeopardize the franchise.[/quote]

Good point.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1162247]Former Browns coach.....pass[/quote]

He actually got 7 wins out of the Browns in 2014. If you ask me that's pretty damn good. I actually would not mind this hire. I remember him in Hard Knocks and he seems like a guy who holds guys accountable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1162539][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29714/in-hindsight-redskins-2016-offseason-doesnt-look-as-strong]In hindsight, Redskins' 2016 offseason doesn't look as strong - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

agree, last offseason not good. Doctson pick and free agency wasn't good. We need to be stronger in free agency this year and cant wait to til the draft to fix holes.[/quote]

I feel like the team put too much trust on Matt Jones. There are a few L's this year that could have gone the other way if we have had a decent running game.

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I wouldn't even say we needed a decent running game (would have helped obviously). A couple of his freaking fumbles were absolute back-breakers. Not only did he fumble a lot, I feel like he always lost them too.

Between some poor-timed interceptions by Cousins and Jones' fumbles, we could have won at least a game or two more. Of course, hindsight and all that.

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Yep, I'm still butt hurt from that Lions game.

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I predict Scot McCloughan's first three picks will be a ILB, A NT/DLman and a safety....Probably not in that order.....

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Matt Jones is def a bust, I don't see how they can move forward with him. The coaches have zero confidence in him.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1162965]Matt Jones is def a bust, I don't see how they can move forward with him. The coaches have zero confidence in him.[/quote]

Jones has played well...The young man can play running back.....99 carries for 460 yards with a 4.6 per carry average shows he can play.....He just has fumbling issues..... Maybe they try to trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick this offseason.... Maybe they bring him back.

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I certainly dont want him back.
I hope they trade him.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1162985]Jones has played well...The young man can play running back.....99 carries for 460 yards with a 4.6 per carry average shows he can play.....He just has fumbling issues..... Maybe they try to trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick this offseason.... Maybe they bring him back.[/quote]

Are we watching the same Matt Jones? Until Matt Jones learns to run like he [B][I]wants it, [/I][/B]I don't want him on the field. The coaches might give him another chance but if his confidence is shot he will most likely end up elsewhere.

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Hard to see Jones coming back, pretty sure they shopped him during the season but had no takers.

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Matt Jones will be back in camp. They will give him one more chance. There have been other running backs that have solved their fumbling issues.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1162998]Matt Jones will be back in camp. They will give him one more chance. There have been other running backs that have solved their fumbling issues.[/quote]

What about ones who have solved their motivation issues?

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Kelley is clearly the better back anyway. Jones' heart just isn't in it.

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[quote=mooby;1162992]Are we watching the same Matt Jones? Until Matt Jones learns to run like he [B][I]wants it, [/I][/B]I don't want him on the field. The coaches might give him another chance but if his confidence is shot he will most likely end up elsewhere.[/quote]

What are you talking about? I was referring to Jones production...At the time of his disastrous outing in Detroit, he was on pace to gain 1,000-1,200 yards....His stats was a great indicator that he was getting the job done pounding the rock.....His fumbling greatly undermined his overall production.... That's all I'm saying.

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Matt Jones has all the physical tools, but lacks what is important - vision and instincts. I don't know if this can be taught or learned from scratch. And how long it would even take.