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Bruce Allen was supposed to be better than Vinny Cerrato:
Bruce Allen’s arrival was hailed as the start of the era of professionalism, and the end of the era of the Clown Prince of Redskins Park, Vinny Cerrato.

During his stint from 2002 to 2009, Cerrato’s record was 52-65.

Bruce Allen’s reign at Redskins Park? A record of 45-66-1.

[url=http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/9/bruce-allen-was-supposed-be-better-vinny-cerrato/]Bruce Allen was supposed to be better than Vinny Cerrato - Washington Times[/url]

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Here are Mayock's quick hits on some of the players:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000789699/article/mike-mayock-impressed-by-fournette-mccaffrey]Mike Mayock impressed by Fournette, McCaffrey - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Defensewins;1167694]Bruce Allen was supposed to be better than Vinny Cerrato:
Bruce Allen’s arrival was hailed as the start of the era of professionalism, and the end of the era of the Clown Prince of Redskins Park, Vinny Cerrato.

During his stint from 2002 to 2009, Cerrato’s record was 52-65.

Bruce Allen’s reign at Redskins Park? A record of 45-66-1.

[url=http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/9/bruce-allen-was-supposed-be-better-vinny-cerrato/]Bruce Allen was supposed to be better than Vinny Cerrato - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

Stupid to assign the Gibbs years to Cerrato. Those were entirely engineered by Gibbs.

Irrelevant comparison. I hate Bruce but I'll take him all day over Vinny.

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I think it's more likely we end up with Mark Dominik. He was in Tampa with Bruce.

He's pretty good on TV too, and has GM experience. I worry though that means he'd be a yes man for Bruce. Honestly, maybe that's the best thing. McCloughan obviously was not, and all we got was turmoil.

You either give Bruce who he wants, or you get rid of Bruce.

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What if Cousins succeeds in this attempt at "it's me or the dog". He'll be a bigger hero in this town than Riggins, if he manages to get Bruce fired.

A guy can dream.

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As long as whoever they pick meshes well with Bruce and Jay, that's all I care about. It's a pipe dream to think one guy is going to come in and have 100% autonomy. Oh and save the boozing until you're off the clock please.

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[quote=Defensewins;1167694]Bruce Allen was supposed to be better than Vinny Cerrato:
Bruce Allen’s arrival was hailed as the start of the era of professionalism, and the end of the era of the Clown Prince of Redskins Park, Vinny Cerrato.

During his stint from 2002 to 2009, Cerrato’s record was 52-65.

Bruce Allen’s reign at Redskins Park? A record of 45-66-1.

[url=http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/9/bruce-allen-was-supposed-be-better-vinny-cerrato/]Bruce Allen was supposed to be better than Vinny Cerrato - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

can't argue it's been more bust then boom, but we did win 2 division titles in 4 years and the first back to back winning seasons in ages. It's also kind of weird that Cerrato's includes 5 more games?

I don't think most anyone is saying BA is the best ever, but he clearly has had an effect reducing DS direct interference, and hopefully we will find the right combination of a solid GM-Talent guy, a strong HC, and BA .

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[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/03/10/chris-cooley-apologizes-to-scot-mccloughan-swears-he-wasnt-redskins-mouthpiece/?utm_term=.9ec58a38f15b"]Chris Cooley apologizes to Scot McCloughan, swears he wasn’t Redskins’ mouthpiece[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167702]can't argue it's been more bust then boom, but we did win 2 division titles in 4 years and the first back to back winning seasons in ages. It's also kind of weird that Cerrato's includes 5 more games?

I don't think most anyone is saying BA is the best ever, but he clearly has had an effect reducing DS direct interference, and hopefully we will find the right combination of a solid GM-Talent guy, a strong HC, and BA .[/quote]

I just copy and pasted from the story, so I am not sure if the records are correct.
I just thought it was relevant to the blame being laid at SM feet. If SM is going to be harshly judged, then lets judge and grade everyone. Bruce Allen remains and the questions needs to be asked....why?

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1167707]I just copy and pasted from the story, so I am not sure if the records are correct.
I just thought it was relevant to the blame being laid at SM feet. If SM is going to be harshly judged, then lets judge and grade everyone. Bruce Allen remains and the questions needs to be asked....why?[/QUOTE]
He is Dans obligatory sycophant. He has attempted to bring in people with GM talent in MS and SM and won a division title with both. Vinny didn'tbring in faux GMs and led a downward spiral ending with a zorny outcome.

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[quote=hilker09;1167575]Oh, I don't think Gruden had anything to do with it...definitely Allen, though.

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And you know this how?

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1167722]And you know this how?[/QUOTE]
I don't know for sure. I just think Allen was involved.

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Anyone that has a legit resume or past history of success should stay clear of Redskin Park. They need to just hire from within and give Sanots, Williams or Campbell the GM job. Those guys know the drill and can work under the way the Redskins do business.. Someone from the outside with a personality like Mayock will not work here. They're just wasting everyone's time putting that out there.

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Mayock knows Allen and Gruden well.

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[quote=MTK;1167729]Mayock knows Allen and Gruden well.[/quote]



Unless he is agreeing to be a straw GM,why take the job?

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Mayock gave a written statement on NFLN this evening saying that he has not been approached by the Redskins, has has not spoken to anyone from the Redskins organization and he has not had any conversations about a job with the Redskins.

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Sometimes people are comfortable being in an advisory capacity. Who knows, maybe Mayock would be ok giving his draft board to Jay and Bruce and letting them execute it as they saw fit.

That's clearly what Allen wanted from McCloughan. That would have been fine if it was explained that way up front, to both Scot and the public.

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[quote=Defensewins;1167735]Mayock gave a written statement on NFLN this evening saying that he has not been approached by the Redskins, has has not spoken to anyone from the Redskins organization and he has not had any conversations about a job with the Redskins.[/quote]

Correct, but that doesn't mean he's not a candidate. At the moment they're all way too busy with free agency to start contacting GM candidates. One thing at a time.

They probably are just in the process of creating a short list at this point. I'd think they'll think about hiring after the draft. Before McC left he had the draft board done, so they'll ride into this draft using his board and start fresh with a new GM after that.

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It's a tough calll to think which road is the best...internal guy, someone outside familiar with Bruce and the org or a total outsider....I just extremely disappointing to hear the organization still has this divisive and petty nature going on within the confines of skins park. This situation was absurd and how it was handled...

I got nothing...my preference would be a fresh, strong personality within the org from the outside. Mayock kinda has a personality like that...I don't want Doug Williams.

And that Cooley piece, he can go fuck himself. Playing dumb ain't gonna work at this point.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167739]It's a tough calll to think which road is the best...internal guy, someone outside familiar with Bruce and the org or a total outsider....I just extremely disappointing to hear the organization still has this divisive and petty nature going on within the confines of skins park. This situation was absurd and how it was handled...

I got nothing...my preference would be a fresh, strong personality within the org from the outside. Mayock kinda has a personality like that...I don't want Doug Williams.

And that Cooley piece, he can go fuck himself. Playing dumb ain't gonna work at this point.[/quote]

Didi Cooley steal your prom date? You have been bashing him for weeks.

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[IMG]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/02/21/Sports/Images/sp-skins0903_0031441320190.jpg?uuid=ed7MyPh3Eea-BRo4F6whpQ[/IMG]

I think Allen and Snyder drove McCloughan back to hard drinking.

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Jason Cole AKA Scot -

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697293-insider-buzz-gm-scot-mccloughan-was-fired-for-wanting-to-trade-kirk-cousins]Insider Buzz: GM Scot McCloughan Was Fired for Wanting to Trade Kirk Cousins | Bleacher Report[/url]

This is an interesting spin on the issue.

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[quote=Defensewins;1167735]Mayock gave a written statement on NFLN this evening saying that he has not been approached by the Redskins, has has not spoken to anyone from the Redskins organization and he has not had any conversations about a job with the Redskins.[/quote]

except he put the word official in from on those statements

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[quote=Chico23231;1167739]It's a tough calll to think which road is the best...internal guy, someone outside familiar with Bruce and the org or a total outsider....I just extremely disappointing to hear the organization still has this divisive and petty nature going on within the confines of skins park. This situation was absurd and how it was handled...

I got nothing...my preference would be a fresh, strong personality within the org from the outside. Mayock kinda has a personality like that...I don't want Doug Williams.

And that Cooley piece, he can go fuck himself. Playing dumb ain't gonna work at this point.[/quote]

Won't matter much who the new GM is, he won't have any real power or say. Anybody that tried to actually have power over operations of the team since Snyder took over was shit canned, with the exception of Gibbs, and that is probably a good reason he left, not just his grandson's health issues alone. I don't blame you about being pissed at Cooley still. What he did was out of line even though it was pretty much spot on. I don't want Williams as the GM at all. Mayock I am sure is a better talent evaluator than he is. He is the one that kept talking up JC to Coach Gibbs before the Skins drafted him.

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I would encourage people to actually listen to Cooley's comments, I found him to be pretty honest and convincing.

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IMO Can't trust Cooley as well as i just don't like him .

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Hello Redskin Nation,
I am new to the Warpath! I look forward to great dialogue and passion w/ B&G faithful. I say we should hold off on the judgement of our front until the truth surfaces above assumptions.


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[quote=marbrajoe;1167768]Hello Redskin Nation,
I am new to the Warpath! I look forward to great dialogue and passion w/ B&G faithful. I say we should hold off on the judgement of our front until the truth surfaces above assumptions.


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Welcome

But let's be honest about the front office the track record with much of the same players...I think it's fairly obvious that it's divisive and dysfunctional. Post Gibbs 2.0 it's been a dumpster fire.

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[quote=marbrajoe;1167768]Hello Redskin Nation,
I am new to the Warpath! I look forward to great dialogue and passion w/ B&G faithful. I say we should hold off on the judgement of our front until the truth surfaces above assumptions.


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Please post more because this is very level headed. We know a lot at this point but I don't feel like I know for sure why McC was canned. I suspect jealousy and envy and ego on Allen's part played a role. I also find it damning that Cousins was willing to go over Allen's head to the owner, and that now he is taking a "it's me or the dog" stance against Allen. I don't think Cousins would do that without very good reason. I think he knows an awful lot.

But I don't know enough yet.

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[quote=MTK;1167764]I would encourage people to actually listen to Cooley's comments, I found him to be pretty honest and convincing.[/quote]

Wholeheartedly agree. He made a bad mistake bringing the subject up on the radio but I don't think he was told to.

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[quote=MTK;1167764]I would encourage people to actually listen to Cooley's comments, I found him to be pretty honest and convincing.[/quote]

I do not understand the hate for Cooley. I was listing to them on the day of segment and I did not think anything about it. When it blew up, i thought i had missed part of the show.

I did not hear the apology, but i read the transcript and it appears to be sincere.

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[quote=MTK;1167729]Mayock knows Allen and Gruden well.[/quote]

That means nothing once egos get involved. Allen knew Scot and his family.

I'm not sure if the thing with Cousins is true or not, but that really says something when the starting QB goes directly to the owner and says him or me. Again, not sure how true that is but if it is that's very telling. Cousins just doesn't come off as a disruptive kind of guy.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1167753]Jason Cole AKA Scot -

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697293-insider-buzz-gm-scot-mccloughan-was-fired-for-wanting-to-trade-kirk-cousins]Insider Buzz: GM Scot McCloughan Was Fired for Wanting to Trade Kirk Cousins | Bleacher Report[/url]

This is an interesting spin on the issue.[/quote]That report is missing one critical piece of information.....when? When are they talking about?

If Scott wants to trade Cousins [I]now [/I]it makes sense because its the only way to get value from a player who is flat out telling you a) he's not going to sign a long term contract b) he wants a trade and basically that he'll leave next offseason and they'll get nothing.

Where is the crime in that? That's what a smart GM would do now.

IF the article is talking about before the it doesn't match the previous reports that said Scott is the one that wanted to sign Cousins to long term deal last offseason.

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[quote=30gut;1167787]That report is missing one critical piece of information.....when? When are they talking about?

If Scott wants to trade Cousins [I]now [/I]it makes sense because its the only way to get value from a player who is flat out telling you a) he's not going to sign a long term contract b) he wants a trade and basically that he'll leave next offseason and they'll get nothing.

Where is the crime in that? That's what a smart GM would do now.

IF the article is talking about before the it doesn't match the previous reports that said Scott is the one that wanted to sign Cousins to long term deal last offseason.[/quote]

This guy is terrible. He is a "hot take" shit journalist who takes everything he's heard and then writes a new take where he makes a lot of assumptions based on taking facts out of context. This is a major issue these days, context. Yeah u get it becuase timing is everything with the story. But this allows him to make these assumptions.

It's fake news, he should work for CNN becuase they use the same formula in their own system of "journalism"

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[QUOTE=30gut;1167787]That report is missing one critical piece of information.....when? When are they talking about?



If Scott wants to trade Cousins [I]now [/I]it makes sense because its the only way to get value from a player who is flat out telling you a) he's not going to sign a long term contract b) he wants a trade and basically that he'll leave next offseason and they'll get nothing.



Where is the crime in that? That's what a smart GM would do now.



IF the article is talking about before the it doesn't match the previous reports that said Scott is the one that wanted to sign Cousins to long term deal last offseason.[/QUOTE]



Good cautions, all around. Something is surely wrong in Ashburnistan, but for the moment, the only thing we can say for sure is that we are still living in the Snyder era. The old MO was meddling. The new MO is having a bickering FO that can't function without help from the Emperor. Same old same old. What we probably won't see is one exec with clear and total football authority.

The who-is-poisoning Kirk intrigue vis-a-vis the FO requires a little more time and sleuthing to understand. Let's gather the suspects in the dining room:

DS -- who personally washed and pressed RG3's jock strap for 2 or 3 years

BA -- who speaks in riddles and whose continued presence is intolerable to the QB

SMc -- who didn't draft KC and seemed to be the person Kirk most wanted to impress (and who is now lying on the floor with a knife in his back; but his own hand seems to be clutching it)

JG -- who devised a brilliant passing scheme for the underdog QB . . . but stood by while 2 of his top 3 receiving weapons were allowed to go.

Okay Sherlocks . . . Who is the villain? Could Kirk be poisoning himself? Could it be like Murder on the Orient Express, where everyone is guilty?

Stay tuned for next week's episode!

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Help me out here... I'm reading articles and aside from the obvious lack of details being a problem, I'm reading that the overall consensus is that Scot had a drinking problem and sources are saying that he repeatedly went to work drunk. The same stories that are taking the as fact are saying that the Redskins treated him poorly by not coming to his defense publicly and not commenting on the dismissal. Am I missing something there? Is an employer obligated to hide the grounds for the grievance/dismissal?

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;1167795]Help me out here... I'm reading articles and aside from the obvious lack of details being a problem, I'm reading that the overall consensus is that Scot had a drinking problem and sources are saying that he repeatedly went to work drunk. The same stories that are taking the as fact are saying that the Redskins treated him poorly by not coming to his defense publicly and not commenting on the dismissal. Am I missing something there? Is an employer obligated to hide the grounds for the grievance/dismissal?[/quote]

6+ years between posts? Where you been?

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;1167795]Help me out here... I'm reading articles and aside from the obvious lack of details being a problem, I'm reading that the overall consensus is that Scot had a drinking problem and sources are saying that he repeatedly went to work drunk. The same stories that are taking the as fact are saying that the Redskins treated him poorly by not coming to his defense publicly and not commenting on the dismissal. Am I missing something there? Is an employer obligated to hide the grounds for the grievance/dismissal?[/quote]

If they tell the world that it was alcohol related that would be looked upon as classless. Of course, leaking it to the media looks even worse.

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[quote=MTK;1167796]6+ years between posts? Where you been?[/quote]

I just kind of stopped social networking for a while. I was spending too much time looking at screens.

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[quote=MTK;1167703][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/03/10/chris-cooley-apologizes-to-scot-mccloughan-swears-he-wasnt-redskins-mouthpiece/?utm_term=.9ec58a38f15b"]Chris Cooley apologizes to Scot McCloughan, swears he wasn’t Redskins’ mouthpiece[/URL][/quote]

I don't believe one word.
Cooley later defends DS and BA by saying the drinking leak wasn't from the team but a rogue employee.
What kind of petulant punk goes on the air and swears on his kids? Like that means anything. He can't stand the bad feedback he is getting. Cooley and the leaks are cowardly.