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[quote=calia;1200722]Somewhat a function of the offenses we have faced so far. A significant test comes this Sunday -- a real offense comes to town. But the D overall hasn't been bad. Luck threw for 181 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs. We ought to win (or at least be competitive) in a game like that. This week was all about offensive failings in my judgment. O-line was terrible, WRs were invisible, and play-calling/adjustments were awful.

[B]But as Matty points out, it is early in the season. Losing at home sailing into the bye week would really be bad[/B].[/quote]

While its early in the season...this is Gruden's 5th season and mostly his offense.......should we really be having games like past Sunday at this point in front of 57K home opener?

Too me, this past game just had an ominous feeling to it. I don't get that performance, I just don't. Not after a dominant week before...Gruden said he sensed low energy from the team...again, why is this?

MUST WIN AGAINST Green Bay. This isn't about just a big game cause it Green Bay, this is about laying out the foundation for the rest of the season. I need to see the team execute well...I need to see the team play hard....I need to see Gruden call a good game.

This last week was unacceptable as a fan. Completely unacceptable.

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Chico -- I don't disagree with anything you just said. It's early, but the effort and coaching makes for a sense of urgency now.

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[quote=MTK;1200711]I guess overreaction Monday has been extended eh

Week one: fans in wait and see mode

Week two: I’ve seen enough burn this fucker down[/quote]

LMFAO i literally busted out at my desk and ppl started staring.

In all seriousness tho, I'm over the HC and DC. without a winning record I think Jay will be gone and I can't argue with that. I want a creative and talented firecracker for a DC, i'm beyond wit's end with our recent DCs.

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[quote=Meks;1200729]LMFAO i literally busted out at my desk and ppl started staring.

In all seriousness tho, I'm over the HC and DC. without a winning record I think Jay will be gone and I can't argue with that. I want a creative and talented firecracker for a DC, i'm beyond wit's end with our recent DCs.[/quote]

The word "fucker" is always solid lol.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1200714]Redskins have the #1 ranked total D so far[/quote]

Definitely not the best D in football but I do think they played well, including last Sunday.

Watching the game again, All 22, confirms my feelings:

-Coverage by our ILBs improved tremendously from last year. Mason Foster had a REAL solid game, key tackles on 3rd down pass plays, TFLs, tipped ball...

-Dunbar is turning into the real deal.

-Johnathan Allen is a beast.

-I can't quite get my finger on why we don't generate more pass rush... The second INT was caused by pressure (Allen, Kerrigan and Smith), good position by Foster, and DJ making the play though, so I'd be curious to see pressure stats from this game.

-I also don't think Smith left that much on field. Made a nice deep throw to Richardson in the 3rd QTR. He overthrew Crowder on a go route. Overall I'd say the receivers weren't open that much...

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Rob Kelley (toe) to IR. Geez.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-sign-breshad-perriman-and-michael-floyd-place-rob-kelley-on-injured-res[/url]

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[quote=calia;1200733]Rob Kelley (toe) to IR. Geez.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-sign-breshad-perriman-and-michael-floyd-place-rob-kelley-on-injured-res[/url][/quote]

He can go to the soup chicken from the IR list. He should not come back.

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With Duke Johnson getting almost no play in Cleveland, what would others think about trying to make a move for him? He is under a new contract (it might be a little high, but not bad). He could be a good pairing with AP/CT this year and DG/CT next year.

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Boy are we thin in the RB ranks. We have AP (33 years old, and who knows how long he will hold up), CT (coming off major injury), Perine (is he still out?), and now no one else. I assume this means we will probably go hunting for another RB who is out of work. Darkwa? Charles? We obviously cannot go into a game with two healthy RBs. I was going to say that I hope they go find Mack Brown who I thought was on the Vikings practice squad, but he's on IR. Hell, even our former RBs are on IR!

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1200735]With Duke Johnson getting almost no play in Cleveland, what would others think about trying to make a move for him? He is under a new contract (it might be a little high, but not bad). He could be a good pairing with AP/CT this year and DG/CT next year.[/quote]

No, we should let our next head coach pick next years roster.

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[quote=jamf;1200737]No, we should let our next head coach pick next years roster.[/quote]

That is a fair argument. So a one year FA pickup to spell us for the rest of the year then?

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Perine should be active this week. Bibbs is on the practice squad if need be.

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Bloody hail, under the last coach runningback was never a position of concern but under the new regime Wash has had no luck? Even when healthy the backs have been subpar, at best.

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What happened with Kelley? I didn't know he was dinged up at all until the IR report today.

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This dude toe better be hanging on by 1 bone. IR for a damn toe. We can’t catch a break.


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[quote=FrenchSkin;1200732]Definitely not the best D in football but I do think they played well, including last Sunday.

Watching the game again, All 22, confirms my feelings:

-Coverage by our ILBs improved tremendously from last year. Mason Foster had a REAL solid game, key tackles on 3rd down pass plays, TFLs, tipped ball...

-Dunbar is turning into the real deal.

-Johnathan Allen is a beast.

-I can't quite get my finger on why we don't generate more pass rush... The second INT was caused by pressure (Allen, Kerrigan and Smith), good position by Foster, and DJ making the play though, so I'd be curious to see pressure stats from this game.

-I also don't think Smith left that much on field. Made a nice deep throw to Richardson in the 3rd QTR. He overthrew Crowder on a go route. Overall I'd say the receivers weren't open that much...[/quote]

Finished the game, other things I saw:

-Luck did make some really [U][I]good throws under pressure[/I][/U]. And a couple of bad ones, amongst which a 3rd down incompletion which could've been key if our offense had been alive. So while I agree we need more productivity from our pass rush, we did generate some pressure in this game.

-Smith made another real tight throw to Reed late in the 3rd. But late in the 3rd and 4th he coulda/shoulda taken some shots.

-Reaaaally bad performance by the OL. Even Scherff had a bad one in the running game...

-I agree with those saying [B]we need more in game adjustments[/B], and that was obvious on the defensive side of the ball: [I][U]they were running pick play after pick play after pick play late in the game and we still had absolutely no answer![/U][/I]
On their last TD drive, I think there was only one pass play that wasn't a pick play...

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Kelley just seems to always be hurt. He's another one that just can not stay healthy for the life of him.

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On one of Luck's td passes the wr ran a short cross and no one even covered the guy. I mean no one. I'm sure they practiced against this play in practice. Why the communication breakdown?

I'm not even mad though about the d. Yeah they can't rush the passer but they played well enough for us to win that game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1200760][B]On one of Luck's td passes the wr ran a short cross and no one even covered the guy. I mean no one[/B]. I'm sure they practiced against this play in practice. Why the communication breakdown?

I'm not even mad though about the d. Yeah they can't rush the passer but they played well enough for us to win that game.[/quote]

I'm guessing here, but since it was the end of that "all pick play" drive, my guess is that after being torched over and over on pick plays they said "ok maybe passing WRs up would be nice idea?" but the info either didn't get to every body's ears, or one of DJ and Dunbar forgot about it and stuck with his player.

Watching that play again, just before the snap you can see DJ talking at Dunbar and pointing at Hilton, then Dunbar points at Hilton, that would mean Dunbar was responsible for Hilton but lost him in traffic, Hilton was outside and went inside while the TE and the inside receiver both went inside.

Blown coverage on what seems to be a late audible. That shit happens. More mad at Manusky for not adjusting earlier in the game, or at least during that drive.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1200761]I'm guessing here, but since it was the end of that "all pick play" drive, my guess is that after being torched over and over on pick plays they said "ok maybe passing WRs up would be nice idea?" but the info either didn't get to every body's ears, or one of DJ and Dunbar forgot about it and stuck with his player.

Watching that play again, just before the snap you can see DJ talking at Dunbar and pointing at Hilton, then Dunbar points at Hilton, that would mean Dunbar was responsible for Hilton but lost him in traffic, Hilton was outside and went inside while the TE and the inside receiver both went inside.

Blown coverage on what seems to be a late audible. That shit happens. More mad at Manusky for not adjusting earlier in the game, or at least during that drive.[/quote]

How to beat wr picks plays ? Go zone.

All Luck was doing was getting to the line, moving someone or just seeing how we would line up to see if we were in man. So you disguise it or audible out

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[quote=Chico23231;1200762]How to beat wr picks plays ? Go zone.

All Luck was doing was getting to the line, moving someone or just seeing how we would line up to see if we were in man. So you [B]disguise it[/B] or audible out[/quote]

Yeah, we ought to try that once in a while. Our DC sucks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1200765]Yeah, we ought to try that once in a while. Our DC sucks.[/quote]

I think Luck is generally overrated at QB, BUT he is a bright guy. The ignorance by Manusky to adjust is simply ego...him and Gruden have this effing ego and I cant figure out why. Are they generally stupid?

Season 5 for Gruden and we are still having Offense performances like that last week.

Its a serious problem imo. a serious problem that he simply will never be a good HC.

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[quote=Chico23231;1200771]I think Luck is generally overrated at QB, BUT he is a bright guy. The ignorance by Manusky to adjust is simply ego...him and Gruden have this effing ego and I cant figure out why. Are they generally stupid?

Season 5 for Gruden and we are still having Offense performances like that last week.

Its a serious problem imo. a serious problem that he simply will never be a good HC.[/quote]

He’ll always be overrated on this board no matter what he does.

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Luck is not a bust but he's not the elite QB I thought he was going to be, I admit he turns it over way too much for that

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[quote=Chico23231;1200771]I think Luck is generally overrated at QB, BUT he is a bright guy. The ignorance by Manusky to adjust is simply ego...him and Gruden have this effing ego and I cant figure out why. Are they generally stupid?

Season 5 for Gruden and we are still having Offense performances like that last week.

Its a serious problem imo. a serious problem that he simply will never be a good HC.[/quote]

I think they don't have the stones to roll the dice on high risk high reward plays.

Everything seems to be telegraphed because they are always playing the percentages.

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[quote=Chico23231;1200771]I think Luck is generally overrated at QB, BUT he is a bright guy. The ignorance by Manusky to adjust is simply ego...him and Gruden have this effing ego and I cant figure out why. Are they generally stupid?

Season 5 for Gruden and we are still having Offense performances like that last week.

Its a serious problem imo. a serious problem that he simply will never be a good HC.[/quote]


Way too early to throw the season into the toilet. Having said that, I do understand the concern of seeing how badly this team performed against the Colts, and looking at the teams the 'skins have to face in the upcoming weeks - it can be a death nail in the coffin of Gruden's coaching career with the 'skins, or it could turn out to be an impressive turnaround. I can't blame everything on Gruden and I won't. I can point out so many adverse, unwinnable situations that Gruden has had to take this team through - things beyond his control. But, I wont say he's totally innocent either. This team has to have 10 wins this season. I believe that. I think that is the only way Gruden keeps his job.

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[quote=Chico23231;1200762]How to beat wr picks plays ? Go zone.

All Luck was doing was getting to the line, moving someone or just seeing how we would line up to see if we were in man. So you disguise it or audible out[/quote]

Agreed, this I was I'm more mad at the DC than the players...

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This is what happens when you don't play your starters during preseason,since when did we get so good that we could just rest folks in preseason,they're out of shape and rhythm,the great Vince Lombardi said-IF YOU QUIT ON ME NOW YOU'LL QUIT ON ME IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF A BIG GAME these pampered soft ass players today they get hit and roll on the ground like they been shot,then after they get their[face time]they jump up and sprint off the field,and yes I know it's a different day but basically the game is still-RUNNING-CATCHING -TACKLING..the Skins season is over..and you heard it here first!!

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[quote=metalskins;1200785]Way too early to throw the season into the toilet. Having said that, I do understand the concern of seeing how badly this team performed against the Colts, and looking at the teams the 'skins have to face in the upcoming weeks - it can be a death nail in the coffin of Gruden's coaching career with the 'skins, or it could turn out to be an impressive turnaround. I can't blame everything on Gruden and I won't. I can point out so many adverse, unwinnable situations that Gruden has had to take this team through - things beyond his control. But, I wont say he's totally innocent either. This team has to have 10 wins this season. I believe that. I think that is the only way Gruden keeps his job.[/quote]

Me personally I think Gruden has to make the playoffs in order to keep his job. 10 wins and missing the playoffs might still keep him safe. 9 wins would have to be a big discussion. Less than 9 wins, no way. Most of his talk over the summer i took as "we are primed to win right now". Even telling Alex that we aren't building the team around him, we've already built the team and just need him to lead it. Like all we were missing was the QB.

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Awful play. I am discouraged about Alex, the insane amount of RB injuries, Jay, and oh my , it was a horrific performance.

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this game was what we as Redskins should be used to by now. We play a pretty good game, come back home with a chance to really make an early statement, and we shit the bed. Its been this way for 20+ years. I dont know what it is - is it coaching, players, scheme, front office? But whatever it is, its a contagious infection that seems to linger around Redskin Park.
Gruden definitely needs to make the playoffs to keep his job, I dont think there is any question on that. Personally i think he is starting to fall in that Norv Turner mode. Good offensive mind, but for some reason we can't get out of that 7-9 / 9-7 rut. I dont want to start talking coaching change already, as I personally think last year was his best coaching job since coming here - but his ass needs to win games. And what we put on tape this past Sunday was embarrassing.

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I didn't get to see the second game after watching the first. But I see we have returned to typical Redskin type activities. SMH

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[quote=FWD Skins;1200838]I didn't get to see the second game after watching the first. But I see we have returned to typical Redskin type activities. SMH[/quote]

If you didn't see the game, don't go back and watch it.