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[quote=FrenchSkin;1207086]THERE! You have it ! That. Was. The . Plan !

Hats off to Manusky, take your 500 yards, we're not giving you more than 10 points, and we're winning the game![/quote]

Don't get beat deep and give Fitzpatrick enough rope and he'll eventually hang himself.

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[quote=MTK;1207090]Don't get beat deep and give Fitzpatrick enough rope and he'll eventually hang himself.[/quote]

Exactly. That was Part I of the plan. Part II of the plan was to not turn the ball over ourselves. The Plan was sound and it worked!

This game was actually very well planned by the coaching staff and well executed, for the most part, by the players. It was an Old School Redskins win. George Allen would have been very proud.

The Redskins won a lot of games under George Allen and Allen drove me crazy with his conservative offense during most of them - all the way to the Super Bowl!

Look, the Head Coach needs to be able to assess his team's strengths and weaknesses and find a way to win with the personnel he has to work with. Jay Gruden is doing just that. Get used to the idea that we'll be leaning on our defense and winning ugly.

I posted here that, at this point in his tenure, Jay Gruden should be judged only by wins and losses. To be fair, i need to stick to that criteria in my own mind. So, by my own standard, Jay Gruden is doing a great job so far this season.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1207088]I think it was on ESPN about a week ago listing the Division leaders, the teams that have the inside track to the wild card spots and those on the bubble. Of all those teams the only one receiving a negative comment was the Redskins. It said "Division leader because of a weak NFC East."[/quote]

What cracks me up is when other divisions are bad and the winner is 10-6 or 11-5 , they never talk down on that team.. Of course the Redskins get shit on

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1207093]Exactly. That was Part I of the plan. Part II of the plan was to not turn the ball over ourselves. The Plan was sound and it worked!

This game was actually very well planned by the coaching staff and well executed, for the most part, by the players. It was an Old School Redskins win. George Allen would have been very proud.

The Redskins won a lot of games under George Allen and Allen drove me crazy with his conservative offense during most of them - all the way to the Super Bowl!

[B]Look, the Head Coach needs to be able to assess his team's strengths and weaknesses and find a way to win with the personnel he has to work with. Jay Gruden is doing just that.[/B] Get used to the idea that we'll be leaning on our defense and winning ugly.

I posted here that, at this point in his tenure, Jay Gruden should be judged only by wins and losses. To be fair, i need to stick to that criteria in my own mind. So, by my own standard, Jay Gruden is doing a great job so far this season.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more my friend!

Only thing that I, knowledgable-wanna-be-fan, think Jay could/should do more is call more short quick passing game and TE/WR screens. It was working well early in the game against the Giants and we don't see it often enough IMO.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1207097]Couldn't agree more my friend!

Only thing that I, knowledgable-wanna-be-fan, think Jay could/should do more is call more short quick passing game and TE/WR screens. It was working well early in the game against the Giants and we don't see it often enough IMO.[/quote]

Jay Gruden had an explosive offense. He blew that up in favor of his new shitty offense with the new shitty qb that he wanted. Since he's been here this team has had a below average running game. I haven't seen not one thing Jay Gruden has done that warrants giving him any credit. Don't let the 6-3 record fool you. This is not a good football team. Jay Gruden is not a good coach.

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[quote=httr198020;1207107]Jay Gruden had an explosive offense. He blew that up in favor of his new shitty offense with the new shitty qb that he wanted. Since he's been here this team has had a below average running game. I haven't seen not one thing Jay Gruden has done that warrants giving him any credit. Don't let the 6-3 record fool you. This is not a good football team. Jay Gruden is not a good coach.[/quote]

What u talking bout Willis? The Redskins D is the best it’s been since probably the early 90’s, they are young and need to learn to be consistent. Offense is pretty damn good (one of the best OL’s before the injuries). RB where’s Guice? Out for the year, AP doing a solid job. I would like to see AP, Bibbs and CT with a 123 punch. My gripe has been inconsistency and bad tackling, those can be fixed. Did you forget the Zorn/Spurrier years? Those were shitty teams.

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[quote=httr198020;1207107]Jay Gruden had an explosive offense. He blew that up in favor of his new shitty offense with the new shitty qb that he wanted. Since he's been here this team has had a below average running game. I haven't seen not one thing Jay Gruden has done that warrants giving him any credit. Don't let the 6-3 record fool you. This is not a good football team. Jay Gruden is not a good coach.[/quote]

Not saying he is Joe Gibb but right now he's winning with what he has...

Gosh I swear some of you deserve to be sent back to 2010 and watch [I]Rex Grossman[/I] start after [I]Donovan F'nin McNabb[/I] was benched and we [I]could not run the ball[/I] and we had like 3 players who could play proper defense (Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall)... [I]THAT[/I] was some [I]great management and coaching[/I] right ?

Some of you act like we just had an area of greatness and now we're stuck with a mediocre coach...
Truth is we are [I][U]slowly but steadily crawling out of an area of awfulness with an average coach[/U][/I] who could have gone 3 years without a losing record minus last year's injury bug.

We get it, Jay is average, and if we have a losing record he should be gone. I agree with that. I do.

But if we win the division and a playoff game (and he shouldn't keep his job with less than that), [I]no matter how ""ugly"" it is[/I], ask yourself who's going to come here after he's gone ? Who's going to want the job in DC if winning gets you fired ?

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For HTTR198020:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/crazy-amount-injuries-piling-redskins-2018-draft-class[/url]

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For me, I actually like Gruden. My biggest knock on him is in-game adjustments, but overall I have zero desire to get rid of him. We're winning, the team has played like one for the most part since he's been here. Many times everyone acts like any new coach we get is suddenly going to be leaps and bounds better.

Unless we get some gem from the college tanks, I can't see anyone currently employed in the NFL who could be a lot better.

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Gameplan helped give up 500 yards. Watching the film now, our corners were 10 yards off the ball on most snaps, basically using the bend dont break approach. Luckily we caused TO's .

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1207129]Gameplan helped give up 500 yards. Watching the film now, our corners were 10 yards off the ball on most snaps, basically using the bend dont break approach. Luckily we caused TO's .[/quote]

On Cooley's podcast, Manusky told the defense that is they held the Tampa Bay to field goals they would win.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1207131]On Cooley's podcast, Manusky told the defense that is they held the Tampa Bay to field goals they would win.[/quote]

Makes sense on tape, also this number 58 kid is FAST! Where did he come from?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1207135]Makes sense on tape, also this number 58 kid is FAST! Where did he come from?[/quote]

McKinzy was there all throughput training camp

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207140]McKinzy was there all throughput training camp[/quote]

Well we need to use him more

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1207111]Not saying he is Joe Gibb but right now he's winning with what he has...

Gosh I swear some of you deserve to be sent back to 2010 and watch [I]Rex Grossman[/I] start after [I]Donovan F'nin McNabb[/I] was benched and we [I]could not run the ball[/I] and we had like 3 players who could play proper defense (Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall)... [I]THAT[/I] was some [I]great management and coaching[/I] right ?

Some of you act like we just had an area of greatness and now we're stuck with a mediocre coach...
Truth is we are [I][U]slowly but steadily crawling out of an area of awfulness with an average coach[/U][/I] who could have gone 3 years without a losing record minus last year's injury bug.

We get it, Jay is average, and if we have a losing record he should be gone. I agree with that. I do.

[B]But if we win the division and a playoff game (and he shouldn't keep his job with less than that)[/B], [I]no matter how ""ugly"" it is[/I], ask yourself who's going to come here after he's gone ? Who's going to want the job in DC if winning gets you fired ?[/quote]

Got to disagree. I think winning the division should warrant keeping his job. We have not had a coach that has won two divisional titles since Joe Gibbs won his 5th in 1991. I don't know if you extend him beyond his 2020 contract, I would wait one more year, but I wouldn't fire him.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1207174]Got to disagree. I think winning the division should warrant keeping his job. We have not had a coach that has won two divisional titles since Joe Gibbs won his 5th in 1991. [B]I don't know if you extend him beyond his 2020 contract, I would wait one more year, but I wouldn't fire him[/B].[/quote]

Good point. With all the offseason talk about Gruden's seat being hot this year, I wasn't sure what was his contract, should've checked. Anyway, I agree, seems reasonable.

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I don't think we've given enough credit to the coaching staff for working through all the OL injuries and actually putting together an admirable performance against the Bucs. Bravo to Gruden and Callahan.

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[quote=MTK;1207257]I don't think we've given enough credit to the coaching staff for working through all the OL injuries and actually putting together an admirable performance against the Bucs. Bravo to Gruden and Callahan.[/quote]

And Phil Rauscher:

[url]https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1062530966038736897?s=21[/url]

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I know it's way too early but I wonder if Cooper could work out here long term. He's only 28, there's still a chance he could pan out.

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[quote=MTK;1207267]I know it's way too early but I wonder if Cooper could work out here long term. He's only 28, there's still a chance he could pan out.[/quote]

He’s been injury prone his whole career, hopefully he can stay healthy. Let’s give him a few games.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1207268]He’s been injury prone his whole career, hopefully he can stay healthy. Let’s give him a few games.[/quote]

Yeah I just checked his [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Cooper"]injury history[/URL], but if he can stay healthy, right now he looks like an improvement over Lauvao... The one we've been begging for all offseason!

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[quote=MTK;1207267]I know it's way too early but I wonder if Cooper could work out here long term. He's only 28, there's still a chance he could pan out.[/quote]

At the minimum he is a sold depth guy, the exact type of guy we needed to bring in this offseason. I'd still would have a better plan at LG than Cooper, but Id work Coop to find out if he wants to be a part of the plan going forward as our primary guy if someone goes down.

In the draft there are solid group of late first round, early second Guard prospects. Also, James Carpenter is a pending free agent...he is 30, but playing decent. He is someone who could be a transition guy for us. Healthy Vet who can play.

We clearly put ourselves in this position by not having an interior Oline plan. Their were/are solutions...

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The only knock on Cooper was staying healthy right? If so, it really couldn't hurt to add him if he plays well the rest of the season.

Any word on Trent?

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Draft a starting left guard in the 1st 4 rounds for everything right in this world. If Cooper stays healthy keep him as the top backup. Invest in left guard!!!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1207279]Draft a starting left guard in the 1st 4 rounds for everything right in this world. If Cooper stays healthy keep him as the top backup. [B]Invest in left guard[/B]!!![/quote]

Not just left guard, but all Oline positions.

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Holy Crap:

Cooley said Cooper at LG was the best performance we've had at LG ALL SEASON!

Dude...WTF! why wasn't he signed before! Damn, we lucked out

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[quote=Chico23231;1207286]Holy Crap:

Cooley said Cooper at LG was the best performance we've had at LG ALL SEASON!

Dude...WTF! why wasn't he signed before! Damn, we lucked out[/quote]

Just listened to it... He also said he [I][U]passed off stunts[/U][/I] better than anybody at LG this season... Honestly it's no surprise, he is so clearly and obviously an upgrade over Lauvao.