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[quote=rocnrik;1248957]Speaking of experts .. DHall who actually knows football .. does not even believe that Haskins can beat out Kyle Allen ..hmmmm .yea we are set at QB ! No need in looking to upgrade that position .. but in the end none of us know what will happen now do we? So I’m not gonna get on here and call people stupid and all that .. it’s a forum to toss around ideas and have fun..[/quote]

You are right, none of us really know what's happening.. I don't see Tua at all now with the Allen trade but like you said we'll see what happens. Again I hope for a trade down but if they take Chase I'd lie if I said I'd be upset. He's a great prospect with a huge upside.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1248781]I think there are is a good group of TE prospects in the draft. We may get one or even two of them via the draft. Check out some film on Cole Kmet, Harrison Bryant, Adam Troutman and Thaddeus Moss. I like all of them, FWIW.[/QUOTE]


The problem with the TE draft prospects for the Redskins this draft, is that by our third round pick - all the best picks will be gone. So , we missed on Hooper. We’ve picked up some mediocre TE FA and we’ll add some unknown TE draft picks and UDFA. Last year Kyle Smith did the same thing with our WR and we hit pay dirt. Can he do the same thing with the TE group this year? Let’s see what happens?


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[quote=Warthog;1248960]The problem with the TE draft prospects for the Redskins this draft, is that by our third round pick - all the best picks will be gone. So , we missed on Hooper. We’ve picked up some mediocre TE FA and we’ll add some unknown TE draft picks and UDFA. Last year Kyle Smith did the same thing with our WR and we hit pay dirt. Can he do the same thing with the TE group this year? Let’s see what happens?


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Strongly disagree.There will be a good TE prospect available at #66. All of them need some development so most of them won't go in the first two rounds. FWIW I think Adam Troutman, Brycen Hopkins, Harrison Bryant, Cole Kmet, Albert O., Thad Moss and Josiah Deguara all have something to offer the Skins. That's seven decent prospects off the top of my pointy head.

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Thad Moss is like Cris Carters son... Name carries wait, his tape is nothing special. Give me Bryant or Kmet

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Man the TE panic is real


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[quote=MTK;1248969]Man the TE panic is real


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I'm intrigued to see what Thomas has, RR speaks very highly of him.. Said he's a great fit so we'll see..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248967]Thad Moss is like Cris Carters son... Name carries wait, his tape is nothing special. Give me Bryant or Kmet[/quote]

PFF's NFL player comparison for Bryant is George Kittle.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248970]I'm intrigued to see what Thomas has, RR speaks very highly of him.. Said he's a great fit so we'll see..[/quote]

That's why there was a stampede of teams trying to sign him in FA - NOT.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248954]To be fair he's only had 1 season of injuries and that was this yr. I think hes as good as Burrow or better but we need so much that drafting tua won't help. I'd be happy with chase but I'd be thrilled with more picks. We aren't competing this year, let's all face it so stock up picks and build

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He got hurt last year also with his other ankle and had surgery on his hand, and then this year blew his hip out on a hit that wasn't even hard.

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[quote=MTK;1248955]lol to be fair, yeah he only blew out a hip


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Big deal, he has two of them.

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/09/urban-meyer-has-high-praise-for-joe-burrow-but-higher-for-dwayne-haskins/"]Urban Meyer has high praise for Joe Burrow, but higher for Dwayne Haskins[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1249076][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/09/urban-meyer-has-high-praise-for-joe-burrow-but-higher-for-dwayne-haskins/"]Urban Meyer has high praise for Joe Burrow, but higher for Dwayne Haskins[/URL][/quote]

He should say those things but its true, Haskins is the best QB to play there in recent memory, his season was absolute bonkers

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None of the top TE draft prospects is good enough in the first round and they may fall thru the second round also. With our #66 we may be able to get Trautman or Kmet. Another option is getting a decent third round pick from the Trent Williams trade.

The real question is whether the WR still available at #66 are worth MORE than the best TE that is left. The WR pool might be the best and deepest seen in recent memory and the TE players are small in number. I would think we will take the best TE available but it’s just as likely that Kyle and Rivera will choose a better WR to compete with Harmon for the WR #2 spot. Then use our Trent trade draft pick for a TE.

We have a bunch of questionable TE right now. Getting a good TE in the third round, with the Trent trade, will help get us a good starter. Is one of the other TE’s we have a “diamond in the rough” that could rise to a decent level this year? Between a TE we get from the Trent trade and maybe one other player rising up, the TE group will be better than last years disaster. Somehow I think we’ll do better at filling the WR #2 spot than TE #1 this season. Both improvements will help Haskins this year.


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Haskins is looking trim

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[quote=MTK;1251379]Haskins is looking trim

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Look at that beautiful helmet!

Yeah he definitely looks lighter. Must be putting in some work.

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Probably working on his mobility. DH's pocket presents is good. Probably have him working on bootlegs and roll outs. HTTR.

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Looks great!

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Just wait. This season we'll get to see the full package of what Haskins offers as an NFL QB and it's going to be a revelation for most people. I think the Redskins picked the right man to lead this team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251386]Just wait. This season we'll get to see the full package of what Haskins offers as an NFL QB and it's going to be a revelation for most people. I think the Redskins picked the right man to lead this team.[/quote]

Agree.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251386]Just wait. This season we'll get to see the full package of what Haskins offers as an NFL QB and it's going to be a revelation for most people. I think the Redskins picked the right man to lead this team.[/quote]

I agree too

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1251381]Probably working on his mobility. DH's pocket presents is good. Probably have him working on bootlegs and roll outs. HTTR.[/quote]

His pocket presence is probably his most advanced trait so far imo. I think it’s almost to good how he doesn’t let what’s happening outside the pocket effect him. He stands in there like a champ.

I hope I am one of the fans having a revelation because of his future play. I just don’t see him being elite top 10. That footwork is so awkward and bad, even when he has time. Inconsistent mechanics.

I think he can be a 10-15 best QB ... which is fine, you can win with that, he has shown the ability to take chances and make big game changing plays.

Hopefully he breaks right through this random fans “too early to tell” prediction.

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I watched every game he player his last year at OSU and I can tell you: he is fearless, he will wait as long as he has to in order to make the big play; he has a rocket for an arm; he is very, very intelligent; he is a natural leader.

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And perhaps the biggest reason he beat out Joe Burrow at OSU in 2018 is that Burrow simply could not match the lightening bolt that Haskins has in his right arm. He does need to work on his footwork. His arm is so strong that right now he can make all the throws even with bad footwork. But as his footwork improves, look out for his future.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1251403]And perhaps the biggest reason he beat out Joe Burrow at OSU in 2018 is that Burrow simply could not match the lightening bolt that Haskins has in his right arm. He does need to work on his footwork. His arm is so strong that right now he can make all the throws even with bad footwork. But as his footwork improves, look out for his future.[/quote]

You’re a buckeyes fan but in 2017 wasn’t burrow “in the lead” for the backup spot behind JT Barrett before he broke his hand in training camp? Didn’t burrow then transfer from Ohio state in May 2018 before the 2018 season practices even started?

2017 - burrow broke his hand in training camp.
2018 - burrow was with LSU and not OSU

Am I confused? I very well could be

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I hope I am one of the fans having a revelation because of his future play. I just don’t see him being elite top 10. That footwork is so awkward and bad, even when he has time. Inconsistent mechanics.
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That has to be fixable as I have seen good footwork out of him under duress and as you say bad footwork with a clean pocket and throwing lanes. I just think he needs lots and lots of practice reps and then some more till good techniques are burned in to his memory. I read quite a few stories of Steve Young relating to how Bill Walsh fixed all his bad tendencies. He said it involved an insane amount of practicing the same thing over and over again, and again. He said quite often he had almost had enough of the monotony and wanted to walk off the practice field and go home. I think that is what Haskins needs to fix his issues with techniques.

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In 2017 Burrow was not "in the lead" as the backup to Barrett. As an aside, truth is both Haskins and Burrow were far better passers than Barrett. Anyway, there was stiff competition between Burrow and Haskins with neither really having an edge. But during Burrows' lost season after the broken hand, Haskins really developed significantly as the full time backup to Barrett. Haskins lead the amazing 2017 comeback win against Michigan after Barrett was hurt. Haskins made several key completions that won the game, literally. After that season where Haskins really took off, and Burrows' hand healed, Burrow went to Meyer and asked him if Meyer would treat him as equal with Haskins for the starting job in 2018. Meyer told him, no that Haskins had pulled ahead of him and he could not make any promise to Burrow that he would get an equal shot at the starting job in 2018. Burrow then went into the transfer portal. So the biggest factor was probably the amazing completions that Haskins made in relief of Barrett during the 2017 come from behind win against Michigan. One of those passes, one a third and long situation was truly amazing. Haskins fit the throw into an incredibly small completion window for a first down. His performance in the 2017 Michigan game is what sealed Haskins position ahead of Burrow going into 2018.

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I think we keep forgetting how inexperienced he was coming into the NFL. Plenty of rookies come in needing a lot of work on fundamentals.

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Can we stop talking about Burrow/ Haskins? It was a few years ago and both were in college. Obviously Burrow got a lot better and improved in all areas.

DH can't get by on his physical gifts alone. Plenty of guys with huge arms have failed in the NFL.

I think not having an off season is going to hurt DH. New staff has to be patient with him and can't get impatient cause he may not know the entire playbook. They need to do what Gruden would not do - dummy down the offense.

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[quote=MTK;1251428]I think we keep forgetting how inexperienced he was coming into the NFL. Plenty of rookies come in needing a lot of work on fundamentals.[/quote]

Bingo.

A lot of his rookie blunders can be coached. (Poor footwork, sloppy arm mechanics at times, etc.) And should be fixed with a coach who actually gives him the time of day.

However, the things that CAN'T be coached (Pocket presence, cannon arm, swagger, etc.) he seems to already have.

Combining all that with the fact that he seems willing to work and earn his spot makes me a believer. He just needs time and attention with/from the coaches.

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If Haskins balls out (he will) for us, I'm gonna have to read Haskins Threat 9.0 down the line. We should've drafted Tua lol. JK. Damn you SD, proofread! To be fair to myself, on my cellphone keyboard, D and T are close.

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No doubt Haskins has the tools to be our franchise QB .. just need the playmakers around him and that includes O line... I hope he improves and does become the leader we need! With a rising ( on paper) D we can add more weapons to the O next year there is no reason we can’t be in the nfc East playoff next year..

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Fam, y’all have GOT to read this entire article. I’ve always been in the l”et’s wait and see” camp with Haskins, but after reading this article, from his own words I’m now all in on him. Love his humility and work ethic. Hope he makes it big.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/dwayne-haskins-in-my-words-first-nfl-season[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;1251540]Fam, y’all have GOT to read this entire article. I’ve always been in the l”et’s wait and see” camp with Haskins, but after reading this article, from his own words I’m now all in on him. Love his humility and work ethic. Hope he makes it big.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/dwayne-haskins-in-my-words-first-nfl-season[/url][/quote]

Have always said that dude is SMART, it sounds like he now realizes the level that he has to work at in the NFL.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1251540]Fam, y’all have GOT to read this entire article. I’ve always been in the l”et’s wait and see” camp with Haskins, but after reading this article, from his own words I’m now all in on him. Love his humility and work ethic. Hope he makes it big.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/dwayne-haskins-in-my-words-first-nfl-season[/url][/quote]

Very good article.

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That is the Haskins I watched at Ohio State. A humble, team and family first kind of guy.

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Very good read!!

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[quote=ohioskins;1251543]that is the haskins i watched at ohio state. A humble, team and family first kind of guy.[/quote]

o-h!