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[quote=skinsfaninok;1256920]He was the perfect game manager for us that season, I really thought we were going to win the east and 11 games.. This organization proved how ill prepared they were after he went down, Colt Mccoy was never reliable either and that was our backup plan.... Again losers lose for a reason[/quote]

I think Colt could have carried us to a few more wins and kept us in at least the Wild Card hunt. We did win a game with Josh Johnson.

Colt's almost immediate leg break was crazy...it's like someone put a curse on us.

Sanchez...worst idea ever. That was embarrassing. Josh Johnson at least made it fun to watch at times with his running but we were doomed at that point.

No team could have been prepared for that series of events.



Flashback time!

[YT][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn53ApG5P7c[/url][/YT]

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[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1256918]If Alex had not been injured, his contract would have been worth it. I was extremely excited about getting him here and he showed us what he could do, even under a turd coach like Gruden...had led the team to a 6-2 start!

Look how bad the team was post-Smith that season. He's just a winner.[/QUOTE]


Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Alex DID get us to 6-2 using a very high percentage, short passing game. But other teams were catching on fast, which is why he was hurt! Alex just didn’t have anything but the short passing game. If you remember the games we lost that year with Alex, the team was behind and Smith refused to come out of the short passing game to win. No long or medium passes, just the same old dink and dunk to defeat.

You can’t win in the NFL with a one dimensional offense. The Redskins won six games because we caught the opponents by surprise with this high percentage, low risk offense. But I doubt we would have won, EVEN ONE MORE GAME, even if Alex had not been hurt. The teams were starting to play “8 in the box” defenses and Alex wouldn’t or couldn’t get out of the short passing game. Alex did NOT have the ability to go long.

We had a little honeymoon period with Alex Smith. But, I seriously if he would have won any more games because of his passing limitations. His injury was NOT a LUCKY defensive play. Defenses were stuffing his one-dimensional offense and he was increasingly under heavy pressure. He probably was on a trajectory for an injury that season.

Alex Smith has shown his grit, determination and courage in his incredible recovery. I salute him for that. But let’s not take a 6-2 start and assume we were on the way to a wild card or playoff berth. Defenses had totally and AGGRESSIVELY ADJUSTED to his passing game and I doubt we would have won even one more game with an unhurt Smith at the helm.


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[quote=Monkeydad;1256918]If Alex had not been injured, his contract would have been worth it. I was extremely excited about getting him here and he showed us what he could do, even under a turd coach like Gruden...had led the team to a 6-2 start!

Look how bad the team was post-Smith that season. He's just a winner.[/quote]

No. That was a horrible trade and even worse contract. I saw it immediately.

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Hard to say it was a bad contract IMO since he didn't get to play it out. He was considerably cheaper than Cousins. No way to predict a catastrophic injury.

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[quote=MTK;1256953]Hard to say it was a bad contract IMO since he didn't get to play it out. He was considerably cheaper than Cousins. No way to predict a catastrophic injury.[/quote]

It was all mismanaged...Cousins maybe worse.

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Horrible trade and horrible contract. There were a good bit of us not happy with either. With Cousins leaving and our D bottom 3 in the league, I thought we should have accepted the reality we didnt have a winning roster and embrace a true rebuild for a few seasons.

But Bruce had to try and save his job by continually making DS think we were close.

Alex Smith got handed 71M in guarantees from Bruce.

But he low balled a better home grown option in Cousins. Cousins ended up getting 84M guaranteed.

Dnag yalll .... why are we opening these old wounds? I have almost completely forgotten how bad we screwed the Cousins-Smith thing.

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Cousins made it clear for 2+ years that he wasn't staying here for any amount of money. He fleeced the team with multiple franchise tags that prevented us from building around him. The "nice guy" was really all about himself and the money, not helping the team win. He thought the grass would be greener on the other side...now Vikings fans hate him too because he's just not worth what he's being paid.

Kirk has no business being anywhere near the highest-paid QB in the league, never did.

Smith was the best option at the time, no regrets here. Hitting on a draft pick, even in Round 1, is a crapshoot.

I think Haskins will have a good second year.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1256971]Cousins made it clear for 2+ years that he wasn't staying here for any amount of money. He fleeced the team with multiple franchise tags that prevented us from building around him. The "nice guy" was really all about himself and the money, not helping the team win. He thought the grass would be greener on the other side...now Vikings fans hate him too because he's just not worth what he's being paid.

Kirk has no business being anywhere near the highest-paid QB in the league, never did.

Smith was the best option at the time, no regrets here. Hitting on a draft pick, even in Round 1, is a crapshoot.

I think Haskins will have a good second year.[/quote]


He didn't want to play for Bruce anymore and you can't blame him..Also he just won the Vikings a huge road playoff win with the throw of his career in clutch. Have to give him props

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29671320/washington-qb-alex-smith-cleared-football-activity-team[/url]

Alex Smith cleared by the Redskins for football activity.

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Happy for Alex, he has balls of steel

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[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1294847236300517376[/url]

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And lastly - I've heard from multiple people with WFT that Alex Smith looks very good. This is a real competition. Buckle up.

JP Finlay

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I think he's still got a long way to go before we're talking about a real competition. It's Dwayne's job.

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[quote=MTK;1257360]I think he's still got a long way to go before we're talking about a real competition. It's Dwayne's job.[/quote]

Agreed. It's an amazing come back story, but Dwayne's the future of this team.

If Smith's able to compete for this job, then try to get some value back and trade him IMO. Even if you have to take part of the cap hit.

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[quote=ESPN]
Quarterback Alex Smith indeed returned to practice Sunday, although it's going to be a little while before he's able to participate in full-team work. Even though Smith was activated off the PUP list Sunday, he'll still be limited as the team eases him back into drills. They had just reached a point after two weeks where they need to see how he handles being in a pocket when the play goes off-schedule and when he has to react. It could still be some time before they put him in such a situation, but until then any talk about him seriously challenging for the starting job will be muted. -- John Keim
[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1257359]and lastly - i've heard from multiple people with wft that alex smith looks very good. This is a real competition. Buckle up.

Jp finlay[/quote]

ffs

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[SIZE="7"]Look at this!
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[url]https://twitter.com/WashingtonNFL/status/1295043028525158403[/url][/SIZE]

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Alex Smith is a tough S.O.B.and while I salute his resolve,I hope it works out for him and the team.

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Again the man has balls of steel

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First, I have great respect for Alex Smith. He has great integrity, dedication, and courage.

Second, I fear for his safety and I hope he'll decide to move on from NFL football. He has a young family to consider and there are many other career paths he could take to achieve success and happiness.

Best wishes and good luck, Alex, whatever you decide.

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My hopes are that he is truly capable of handling football again, and that he sticks on as the backup QB and mentor for Haskins, even if for one or two more years before trading him if he doesn't retire. Yes, he's an expensive backup, but if he can really help Haskins turn into a true franchise QB for the next 12 years like he helped Maholmes, it's probably worth the price.

If he has to come in to win a game, that would be an amazing thing to watch.

I too have the same fears as most people about him playing full-time.

With any luck, he'll end up a coach for us in some capacity. (QB Coach!?)

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Yep,QB coach or offensive coordinator.

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[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1295721027679465472[/url]

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Yeah, someone may have had to stand there all day to get that throw combo so they could tweet it out.

I can show you countless AMAZING Haskins throws from this offseason.

Alex COULD come back and take the job. I don't expect it Week 1. He needs to see what his leg does in real football action at full speed, against defenders. His arm looks great, but there's a lot more to this comeback than being able to throw. A lot of Smith's success came from his ability to run, escape and improvise. He was a much better runner than given credit for.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1257376][SIZE="7"]Look at this!
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[url]https://twitter.com/WashingtonNFL/status/1295043028525158403[/url][/SIZE][/quote]

He was late on that pass at the :20 sec mark ...

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Efilx5RWsAAptep?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

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It's pretty remarkable and he actually looks good

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I hope he can actually win a roster spot. Guys saying he should retire should consider that if he does come back, even as #2, he'll have earned the spot and been cleared by docs to compete, and will have won a spot against competition, not from being treated special. Can't see RR ever letting a roster spot go to a guy through sympathy or purely for financial reasons. Good luck to him.

Re: Alex Smith’s Amazing Comeback(?)
 

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1257540]I hope he can actually win a roster spot. Guys saying he should retire should consider that if he does come back, even as #2, he'll have earned the spot and been cleared by docs to compete, and will have won a spot against competition, not from being treated special. Can't see RR ever letting a roster spot go to a guy through sympathy or purely for financial reasons. Good luck to him.[/QUOTE]



Not to mention the injury ... as gruesome as it was ... was so bad because of the infection which is not something that lingers. He is at no more risk to break that leg at this point than anyone else.

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I thought this was interesting

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-football/alex-smith-needs-brace-aid-movement-his-foot-his-physician"]Alex Smith needs brace to aid movement of his foot, per his physician[/URL]

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The best thing about Alex Smith is that he is a FANTASTIC MENTOR. He will help tutor Haskins as he did in Kansas City with Mahommes. I hope he makes the #2 QB spot and can push and mentor Dwayne. But everyone will be holding their breath whenever there is pressure on Alex.


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Alex being cleared to play, while a courageous story, was the worst possible outcome for the team in terms of winning.

If Alex failed his physical, the Skins could have put him on the PUP and gained 12M in future cap credits. Since he passed the physical, you cant PUP him, no 12M in cap credit and he will have to carry 3 QBs on the active roster. An active roster spot that will be taken by a player that will not be taking a single snap all season.

Best case scenario - he failed the physical, we carry 2 Qbs, we get 12M in cap credit, cut him in 2021 and absorb about 10M in dead cap.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1257692]Alex being cleared to play, while a courageous story, was the worst possible outcome for the team in terms of winning.

If Alex failed his physical, the Skins could have put him on the PUP and gained 12M in future cap credits. Since he passed the physical, you cant PUP him, no 12M in cap credit and he will have to carry 3 QBs on the active roster. An active roster spot that will be taken by a player that will not be taking a single snap all season.

Best case scenario - he failed the physical, we carry 2 Qbs, we get 12M in cap credit, cut him in 2021 and absorb about 10M in dead cap.[/QUOTE]


You’re right about the 3 Qb’s and cap credit BUT if Alex can help Haskins to have a good year and can mentor him to the level of being the future franchise QB for the next decade, wouldn’t it be worth it???

When was the last time the WFT had a young, franchise QB with a bright and long-time future? Green? Rhypien? (RG3 was a one-season wonder, but got hurt before that season even ended), Theisman? Smith helped Dwayne last season and will do the same this year, as long as Haskins can keep growing.


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[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/15/alex-smith-leg-brace-washington-football/"]The leg brace that allows Alex Smith to play football[/URL]

Pretty amazing

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Wow, thanks for posting that...great read.

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A great human interest story of courage, with that said Alex should retire and not press his luck, let's face it he's never gonna be what he was in the pocket so just walk away and coach.

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[quote=Burgold;1262599]A great human interest story of courage, with that said Alex should retire and not press his luck, let's face it he's never gonna be what he was in the pocket so just walk away and coach.[/quote]

Alex just did the unthinkable. He can do whatever the F he wants in my book.

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The only real positive story dealing with this franchise in like 20 years !

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[quote=Burgold;1262599]A great human interest story of courage, with that said Alex should retire and not press his luck, let's face it he's never gonna be what he was in the pocket so just walk away and coach.[/quote]

He didn't work 2 years for 2 quarters and 37 yards.


That's also just the beginning, not the end of his capabilities. We
ll see him again this season and he'll be more like the Alex Smith we've watched for 15 years.

I'm not judging him on being thrown into his first game, in the rain, against the best defensive player in the game right now, without taking a hit for 2 years.

He survived, that's a big accomplishment right there and he can and will perform better as he gets back into the routine.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1262600]Alex just did the unthinkable. He can do whatever the F he wants in my book.[/quote]

This