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Can you name the team that won a super bowl in that group?

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For me it is a bit hard to "love what he is doing" because, so far, he has not done much.

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They offered Cooper because he would have instantly made our WR group a top tier talent. Cooper, Terry and Sims? Nasty.

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[quote=Giantone;1249183]Can you name the team that won a super bowl in that group?[/quote]
Yeah, Buccs, Redskins, Jets, Raiders and Giants.

I suspect you actually meant within that same 10 year span...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249187]They offered Cooper because he would have instantly made our WR group a top tier talent. Cooper, Terry and Sims? Nasty.

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... while at the same time, weakening a division opponent. I can see this strategy, although ...


.... I would have much rather figured out a way to fleece the Texans for Hopkins. Given how stupid O'Brien has been we may have been able to straight up swap Dunbar and a 5th rounder for Hopkins.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249187]They offered Cooper because he would have instantly made our WR group a top tier talent. Cooper, Terry and Sims? Nasty.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]Exactly. Also taking him away from Dallas. He has said he wants a #1 wr now since coming. The whispers at least. Will be interesting to see if he goes with the current wr group or tries to acquire more via fa/draft. Personally, I feel shoring up the oline is way more important and will reap massive dividends for the offense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249187]They offered Cooper because he would have instantly made our WR group a top tier talent. Cooper, Terry and Sims? Nasty.

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Cooper isn't even the best wr on his own team. As Rex Ryan said, he basically disappears against top competition, he disappears on the road, aka against the Eagles late last year. He doesn't have any dog or alpha male in his body. If I'm paying a wr that kind of money he better be a dog, an alpha, a leader and someone that demands the ball. Cooper is none of those. Glad he stayed with Dallas. Rex Ryan and Jon Gruden agree.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249261]Cooper isn't even the best wr on his own team. As Rex Ryan said, he basically disappears against top competition, he disappears on the road, aka against the Eagles late last year. He doesn't have any dog or alpha male in his body. If I'm paying a wr that kind of money he better be a dog, an alpha, a leader and someone that demands the ball. Cooper is none of those. Glad he stayed with Dallas. Rex Ryan and Jon Gruden agree.[/quote]

U Think Gallup is better than Cooper? No way

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249261]Cooper isn't even the best wr on his own team. As Rex Ryan said, he basically disappears against top competition, he disappears on the road, aka against the Eagles late last year. He doesn't have any dog or alpha male in his body. If I'm paying a wr that kind of money he better be a dog, an alpha, a leader and [B]someone that demands the ball[/B]. Cooper is none of those. Glad he stayed with Dallas. Rex Ryan and Jon Gruden agree.[/quote]

You lost me here. I don't want any player on my team that demands the ball, because every single one of those guys get pissy when the qb doesn't force feed them the ball. I believe the preferred nomenclature is "diva."

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249185]For me it is a bit hard to "love what he is doing" because, so far, he has not done much.[/quote]

Couldn’t disagree more. What he’s not doing is exactly what we’ve been doing for the last decade and a half. Overpaying diva free agents who come for a pay day and don’t care about putting the team first.

Ron is looking for a specific kind of guy. The right fit. Not big name splashy guys. Hard working no names with the traits and mental aspect he’s looking for. What other team has won 6 Super Bowls with that model? The Patriots. Now we are far from being the Pats, but what I’m saying is his approach is refreshing from the stand point that we aren’t going to be a winner over night. He’s doing it the slow and methodical way. The build through the draft, get the right fit guys kind of way.

I will take 5 free agencies in a row like this bc I think we’ve been doing it wrong for years. And I think it’s laughable that so many Skins fans who cry wolf at our antics for years are now chastising Rivera for not making splash moves.

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Great post!!!!

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[quote=SkinzWin;1249264]Couldn’t disagree more. What he’s not doing is exactly what we’ve been doing for the last decade and a half. Overpaying diva free agents who come for a pay day and don’t care about putting the team first.

Ron is looking for a specific kind of guy. The right fit. Not big name splashy guys. Hard working no names with the traits and mental aspect he’s looking for. What other team has won 6 Super Bowls with that model? The Patriots. Now we are far from being the Pats, but what I’m saying is his approach is refreshing from the stand point that we aren’t going to be a winner over night. He’s doing it the slow and methodical way. The build through the draft, get the right fit guys kind of way.

I will take 5 free agencies in a row like this bc I think we’ve been doing it wrong for years. And I think it’s laughable that so many Skins fans who cry wolf at our antics for years are now chastising Rivera for not making splash moves.[/quote]

I think it's been a decent FA period, wish we would have landed Amari but o well. I'm glad they didn't go crazy

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Can't not sign big dogs because of past bad choices with big dogs. But you also can't force a big dog onto the roster. Has to be within the budget, within the team you're trying to build, at a position of need, etc. We shouldn't let anything from the past dictate the future.

But you also don't get every guy you want anyways. Seems like the Skins went all in for Cooper and didn't get him. Sometimes it happens.

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1249264]Couldn’t disagree more. What he’s not doing is exactly what we’ve been doing for the last decade and a half. Overpaying diva free agents who come for a pay day and don’t care about putting the team first.

Ron is looking for a specific kind of guy. The right fit. Not big name splashy guys. Hard working no names with the traits and mental aspect he’s looking for. What other team has won 6 Super Bowls with that model? The Patriots. Now we are far from being the Pats, but what I’m saying is his approach is refreshing from the stand point that we aren’t going to be a winner over night. He’s doing it the slow and methodical way. The build through the draft, get the right fit guys kind of way.

I will take 5 free agencies in a row like this bc I think we’ve been doing it wrong for years. And I think it’s laughable that so many Skins fans who cry wolf at our antics for years are now chastising Rivera for not making splash moves.[/QUOTE]
+1
The only niggle I have is that we don't appear to have gone after many other bigger names in areas of need, like Lb and DB. I say appear because RR has played his cards pretty well and we're not fully aware of ALL the negotiations that have been/are taking place. He's either been smart enough not to reveal too much about who we have gone after/what we offered or he's hiding the fact we haven't really gone after bigger names aside from Hooper and Cooper. I trust that it's the former more than the latter, but I agree he's only going after guys that fit his template and he and Kyle will continue that in the draft.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1249264]Couldn’t disagree more. What he’s not doing is exactly what we’ve been doing for the last decade and a half. Overpaying diva free agents who come for a pay day and don’t care about putting the team first.

Ron is looking for a specific kind of guy. The right fit. Not big name splashy guys. Hard working no names with the traits and mental aspect he’s looking for. What other team has won 6 Super Bowls with that model? The Patriots. Now we are far from being the Pats, but what I’m saying is his approach is refreshing from the stand point that we aren’t going to be a winner over night. He’s doing it the slow and methodical way. The build through the draft, get the right fit guys kind of way.

I will take 5 free agencies in a row like this bc I think we’ve been doing it wrong for years. And I think it’s laughable that so many Skins fans who cry wolf at our antics for years are now chastising Rivera for not making splash moves.[/quote]

Yep I'm with you on this

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[quote=SkinzWin;1249264]Couldn’t disagree more. What he’s not doing is exactly what we’ve been doing for the last decade and a half. Overpaying diva free agents who come for a pay day and don’t care about putting the team first.

Ron is looking for a specific kind of guy. The right fit. Not big name splashy guys. Hard working no names with the traits and mental aspect he’s looking for. What other team has won 6 Super Bowls with that model? The Patriots. Now we are far from being the Pats, but what I’m saying is his approach is refreshing from the stand point that we aren’t going to be a winner over night. He’s doing it the slow and methodical way. The build through the draft, get the right fit guys kind of way.

I will take 5 free agencies in a row like this bc I think we’ve been doing it wrong for years. And I think it’s laughable that so many Skins fans who cry wolf at our antics for years are now chastising Rivera for not making splash moves.[/quote]

Well said. Agree 100%.

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Five free agencies in a row that do not add much starting talent is not the way to build a championship team. It is nice to look for "character'. But some talent would also be appreciated and, particularly on offense, we have not added any real talent during the UFA period. So no, I would not like to see five years of UFA periods with no addition of talent on the offensive side of the ball. The current offensive line is horrendous. Skins could easily have afforded a two year deal to Jason Peters, who is a high character guy by the way, rather than the duel of backups that currently fill the LT position. And I am sure that all of you who are so satisfied with what RR has not done on offense that you will be blaming Haskins for his inability to throw TD passes from the seat of his pants which is where he will be quite a bit this year.

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There should be a middle ground between what Bruce Allen chasing "names" did and what RR is doing now, avoiding adding talent.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249324]There should be a middle ground between what Bruce Allen chasing "names" did and what RR is doing now, avoiding adding talent.[/quote]

Your posts are like a broken record. Let me see if I understand you. You don't like the way RR has handled Free Agency. Is that it?

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249324]There should be a middle ground between what Bruce Allen chasing "names" did and what RR is doing now, avoiding adding talent.[/quote]

Big names don't always equate to quality moves.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249262]U Think Gallup is better than Cooper? No way[/quote]

He certainly was at the end of last year I thought.

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I soured on Cooper when we played the Raiders a few years ago at home. He came off as a little bit soft.

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Maybe I sound like a broken record. But nobody has shown me where RR has done anything significant to improve the offense.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249348]Maybe I sound like a broken record. But nobody has shown me where RR has done anything significant to improve the offense.[/quote]

He hasn't that's why... But we still have the draft

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249348]Maybe I sound like a broken record. But nobody has shown me where RR has done anything significant to improve the offense.[/quote]

The change of coaching is the significant change to the offense. We saw what happened once Gruden and Callahan were told to butt out of signal calling.

I think it is entirely possible that Rivera feels that the offense will be competent enough under Scott Turner that he wants to bring in young talent from the draft. In fact, I think this whole off-season is as much a condemnation of the previous coaching staff, as it is a reflection of Rivera's desire to get a feeling about the players on the field this year. I do think he takes into account Kyle's evaluations, but at 3-13, every player on the field has to prove it to RR on the field.

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Redskins twitter account says big announcement tomorrow.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1249350]The change of coaching is the significant change to the offense. We saw what happened once Gruden and Callahan were told to butt out of signal calling.

[B]I think it is entirely possible that Rivera feels that the offense will be competent enough under Scott Turner that he wants to bring in young talent from the draft. In fact, I think this whole off-season is as much a condemnation of the previous coaching staff, as it is a reflection of Rivera's desire to get a feeling about the players on the field this year. I do think he takes into account Kyle's evaluations, but at 3-13, every player on the field has to prove it to RR on the field.[/B][/quote]

I think that's true for both sides of the team. Even Del Rio said that our defense players sometimes looked confused on the field.. Coaches can make or break players - just look at Adam Gase and his old players (i.e., Kenyan Drake and DeVante Parker). Even if it means a losing season, I'm fine with Riviera wanting to see what our current players can do before we make any drastic change to the roster.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1249356]Redskins twitter account says big announcement tomorrow.....[/quote]

Apparently it's just about their draft party

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In the draft we have one pick, in the third round, to find one offensive starter when we really need about 4 new starters. Unless, or course, we trade down from Number 2. After the third round, finding a starter is pure luck.

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"The Redskins are going to use the BPA process for the entire draft" Julia Donaldson

This means no matter what position they play, they are going with the best on their big board regardless

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1249368]"The Redskins are going to use the BPA process for the entire draft" Julia Donaldson



This means no matter what position they play, they are going with the best on their big board regardless[/QUOTE]Good way to start building the team

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249348]Maybe I sound like a broken record. But nobody has shown me where RR has done anything significant to improve the offense.[/quote]

Y’all got me fired up. Dude has been here for like 30 seconds. Y’all need to chill. The man hasn’t snapped up every big name guy that draft pundants and fans think he should have so he’s done nothing. This is EXACTLY why the Cleveland Browns are perennial losers. They had Belicheck and fired him because they were too damn impatient to wait and let the man work. And he went on to the Pats and established one of the longest running dynasties in football. I’m not saying we are about to do that, but it’s important to note nonetheless.

Rome was not built in a day. The man clearly has a plan and a vision and just because he didn’t sign someone because A) The player didn’t want to be here (ie Cooper and Hooper) or B) he didn’t want them because their physical traits and mental toughness don’t match with his vision and plan, doesn’t mean he hasn’t done nothing.

If anything he’s SMART for not wasting money on top tier guys that won’t be a good fit and won’t produce for us. And then we have a ton of dead cap money when we cut high contract underperforming players and everyone is complaining how we suck, like every other year of the past decade and a half.

WAKE UP! ; -)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249368]"The Redskins are going to use the BPA process for the entire draft" Julia Donaldson

This means no matter what position they play, they are going with the best on their big board regardless[/quote]

I like that process and I believe it works.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1249368]"The Redskins are going to use the BPA process for the entire draft" Julia Donaldson

This means no matter what position they play, they are going with the best on their big board regardless[/QUOTE]


AKA Snyder is locked out of the draft process


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Sweet, so Chase is even more official now.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1249373]Sweet, so Chase is even more official now.[/QUOTE]Burrow and Young have been the worst kept secrets for 4 months lol

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I agree that more than likely Chase Young is the man. However, it would not surprise me if we traded down still for a right offer. Miami wants Tua and has a lot of ammo. I could almost seeing this being more smoke from Rivera. Either way, we should be a much better team after the draft.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1249375]I agree that more than likely Chase Young is the man. However, it would not surprise me if we traded down still for a right offer. Miami wants Tua and has a lot of ammo. I could almost seeing this being more smoke from Rivera. Either way, we should be a much better team after the draft.[/quote]

Miami has enough ammo to leapfrog us if they wanted. If they want to give us a boatload of picks I'm fine with it but I don't see it happening.

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[quote=mooby;1249376]Miami has enough ammo to leapfrog us if they wanted. If they want to give us a boatload of picks I'm fine with it but I don't see it happening.[/quote]

The only way that Miami can ensure that they get Tua is to trade for the #1 pick, so a deal between Miami and Cincinnati can't be ruled out.

A lucrative deal to trade out of the #2 pick is acceptable to me, though not preferred, except that I can't stand the thought that Chase Young might fall to the Giants. I do not want that man to go to a divisional rival.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1249375]I agree that more than likely Chase Young is the man. However, it would not surprise me if we traded down still for a right offer. Miami wants Tua and has a lot of ammo. I could almost seeing this being more smoke from Rivera. Either way, we should be a much better team after the draft.[/quote]

They want Burrow more, I don't see them trading up to us for Tua. He'll be there at 5