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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1360971]I hate to be so simplistic about Jayden Daniels but I just love everything I know about the young man. I think he has all the makings of an NFL star. We are lucky to have the #2 pick. Now all we have to do is wait until it's time to hand in the card with his name on it.[/quote]

Agree, he's still my top guy at 2 and it won't change. His film was stupid good.. Their is nothing he can't do at the QB position. His arm is just as good as Most of the top QBs in the league.. Maye has a stronger arm but he's no where as accurate

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How to handle Pick No. 2:

[I]Keep it simple, stupid (KISS) is a design principle which states that designs and/or systems should be as simple as possible. Wherever possible, complexity should be avoided in a system—as simplicity guarantees the greatest levels of user acceptance and interaction.[/I]

Pick Jayden Daniels (KISS).

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JD> CW

CW is just the media's darling

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360973]How to handle Pick No. 2:

[I]Keep it simple, stupid (KISS) is a design principle which states that designs and/or systems should be as simple as possible. Wherever possible, complexity should be avoided in a system—as simplicity guarantees the greatest levels of user acceptance and interaction.[/I]

Pick Jayden Daniels (KISS).[/quote]

I have a feeling there are a going to be a lot of disappointed people on here.... simple is relative. The people making the decisions have far more expertise than the increasing group of fans who have convinced themselves that JD is the best QB ever. This site is going to be unbearable if they don't pick JD.

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I'll be fine with Maye at 2 as well but prefer JD...

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360975]I have a feeling there are a going to be a lot of disappointed people on here.... simple is relative. The people making the decisions have far more expertise than the increasing group of fans who have convinced themselves that JD is the best QB ever. This site is going to be unbearable if they don't pick JD.[/quote]

I don't think I'll be disappointed with the pick on April 25th. Maybe by November 25th I'll be disappointed...who knows.

The armchair GM that I am wants Jayden Daniels, but I'll be happy with whoever they pick - knowing that they had a process, stuck to it, and picked who they think is the best QB, and the best fit.

But yeah, you're not wrong. No matter who it is, there are plenty who won't be happy.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1360965]There is talk of six QBs going in the 1st round. That in and of itself would be unprecedented. It's possible we get four franchise QBs out of this draft, similar to the 2020 draft (Tua, Herbert, Burrow, and J Love...(the jury is still out on J Love maybe?)). However, it's more likely that four of the six will be Blake Bortles, Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson & Trey Lance.

As much as I like the idea of adding more draft picks, I think by April 24th they have to be locked in on who their guy is once the Bears draft Caleb Williams, and they have to stay at #2 and pick him. Doing anything else would be too risky.

If their pick at #2 ends up being Zach Wilson...so be it. Rinse and repeat next year.[/QUOTE]


They will certainly know who they prefer. No doubt. Just saying if that preference is slight and the Pats offer us a sweet deal who knows. Id imagine they entertain the choice of their 1 guy vs their 1A+ guy and another second, third and say next years first. I know I would.

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Finlay going to be on Sirius NFL pretty soon discussing our number two pick.

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no drake maye pro day feedback?

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Did the Skins meet separately with Daniels prior to his pro day like they did with Maye?

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[quote=nonniey;1360985]Did the Skins meet separately with Daniels prior to his pro day like they did with Maye?[/quote]

As I understand it Daniels didn't have any meetings before his work out so he met a number of teams afterwards but it can't have been for too long as they all would have had to move on to Carolina for Mayes workout. They will have them all in for visits so I don't think it is that critical one way or the other

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The great thing is either Maye or Daniels will be in WSH

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360987]The great thing is either Maye or Daniels will be in WSH[/quote]

I would say great depends on how the journey ends, not how it begins. Good if we draft a top 3 QB, great if he turns out to be the answer.

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Commanders offer No. 2 to the Chargers for Justin Herbert, Harbaugh then uses the No. 2 pick to get his guy J.J. McCarthy.

That would be wild!

Note - This didn't actually happen, just something that popped in my head reading an article that includes the Chargers.

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I'm not sure I'd take Herbert with a straight swap for the #2. Great 1st 2 seasons, but last 2 were average. OK, that's likely not all on him, but with a new contract on the horizon where he'll be expecting top money, I think the Chargers could end up with the much better side of that deal.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360992]Commanders offer No. 2 to the Chargers for Justin Herbert, Harbaugh then uses the No. 2 pick to get his guy J.J. McCarthy.

That would be wild!

Note - This didn't actually happen, just something that popped in my head reading an article that includes the Chargers.[/quote]

I have thought about this as well and would be happy as hell with it

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1360995]I'm not sure I'd take Herbert with a straight swap for the #2. Great 1st 2 seasons, but last 2 were average. OK, that's likely not all on him, but with a new contract on the horizon where he'll be expecting top money, I think the Chargers could end up with the much better side of that deal.[/QUOTE]


That’s crazy talk - if this were an option, of course we should do it. Herbert is a proven commodity and the draft has no sure bets (see, eg, RG3 and Chase Young, also picked at the 2 slot). There are many other examples. And we have a good cap position now too so we would make it work.

Having said that, I don’t imagine it would be an option. Harbaugh talking up his former QB is one thing. Trading Herbert for a draft pick is another.


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[quote=calia;1361006]That’s crazy talk - if this were an option, of course we should do it. Herbert is a proven commodity and the draft has no sure bets (see, eg, RG3 and Chase Young, also picked at the 2 slot). There are many other examples. And we have a good cap position now too so we would make it work.

Having said that, I don’t imagine it would be an option. Harbaugh talking up his former QB is one thing. Trading Herbert for a draft pick is another.


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I didn't say I wouldn't take the trade, just that I'd look for more value. It may be coaching/scheme/surrounding talent, but Herbert hasn't been elite level last 2 seasons. You're talking about swapping the 2nd pick in the draft, not a 2nd rounder. If (and yes its a mighty if) the Chargers came in with that offer off the bat, I'd be looking for something to sweeten the deal.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1361007]I didn't say I wouldn't take the trade, just that I'd look for more value. It may be coaching/scheme/surrounding talent, but Herbert hasn't been elite level last 2 seasons. You're talking about swapping the 2nd pick in the draft, not a 2nd rounder. If (and yes its a mighty if) the Chargers came in with that offer off the bat, I'd be looking for something to sweeten the deal.[/QUOTE]yeah, it would be a "no but keep talking" type conversation. Of course if we had Herbert, we could parlay the fourth pick Into Minnesota's 11th and 23 and still get the first or second tackle off the board.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1360995]I'm not sure I'd take Herbert with a straight swap for the #2. Great 1st 2 seasons, but last 2 were average. OK, that's likely not all on him, but with a new contract on the horizon where he'll be expecting top money, I think the Chargers could end up with the much better side of that deal.[/QUOTE]


I gotta go with Calia here. Any of these quarterbacks coming out could be out of the league in 4 years so give me the guy who is even in the conversation of being elite after 4 years. Not good. Elite. I would do that deal and yell no trade backs in a heartbeat.

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While I agree that Herbert is not been elite his last 2 seasons and a bit overrated now I'd still take him with that pick every time. QBs like that are hard to find and he certainly could turn elite, just not sure he will ever be as good as the top guys but certainly good enough to make you yearly contenders.

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i would trade for Herbert in a nano second .. to bad the Chargers won't ! i know a few of you say i'm negative 😀😀 about this team but the facts are that the number 2 pick is not sure fire .. so yea i'm taking PROVEN in the NFL every time ! Herbert checks that box ! but i'm hoping the Rookie works out for us !

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1361010]While I agree that Herbert is not been elite his last 2 seasons and a bit overrated now I'd still take him with that pick every time. QBs like that are hard to find and he certainly could turn elite, just not sure he will ever be as good as the top guys but certainly good enough to make you yearly contenders.[/quote]

I’d give the 2nd pick, next year 1st. Multiple 2nd and 3rd picks this year

Also pick any player off the current roster and if you want Dan Quinn or any person off the coaching staff, feel free to take them too.

Herbert is certainly worth it.

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Trading Herbert would cause a dead cap hit over 100 million to the Chargers. Not gonna happen…

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1361013]Trading Herbert would cause a dead cap hit over 100 million to the Chargers. Not gonna happen…[/quote]

Had no idea about that. Yeah, that will put an end to even a 1% chance of that happening. Lame.

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Back to the pick a guy on the radio noted what I had seen as well when watching complete games. Drake Maye does not have good pocket presence. He tends to drift right into sacks, does not show that natural feel in the pocket like a guy like Romo had and I don't believe that can be coached. He also does not escape trouble the way the more athletic QBs do and of course he holds the ball too long. Nobody seems to have commented on this but his delivery is MUCH slower than Daniels as well.

I went into this firmly on the Drake Maye bus. But I now believe he has a low ceiling and I want to take a swing on someone who has a better chance of being great. I believe the team feels the same way and will draft Daniels.

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Jayden Daniels has the highest ceiling. Higher than CW.

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plenty of people have commented on drake maye's footwork/pocket presence/slow release. Dan O and Chris simms at espn at a minimum, but there have been others too.

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I can't believe it's still 25 days till the draft

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For me I think you gotta go Jayden Daniels. Plenty of QBs can get out and scramble to extend plays, it seems like Maye can do that too, but Jayden can get you chunk plays with his legs. Not just like Alex Smith who would run for 7 yards on 2nd and 10. But like for 35 yards and deep into opposing territory. That and the ability to throw deep with accuracy and avoid turnover worthy plays, he looks legit to me.

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yea draft JD !!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1361032]I can't believe it's still 25 days till the draft

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This.

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[quote=Schneed10;1361033]For me I think you gotta go Jayden Daniels. Plenty of QBs can get out and scramble to extend plays, it seems like Maye can do that too, but Jayden can get you chunk plays with his legs. Not just like Alex Smith who would run for 7 yards on 2nd and 10. But like for 35 yards and deep into opposing territory. That and the ability to throw deep with accuracy and avoid turnover worthy plays, he looks legit to me.[/quote]

I hate to compare College to NFL but JD5 looks like a better passing Lamar Jackson.. We've seen what Lamar can do as a 2 time MVP... I like Maye alot and think he could be a good one but I feel Daniels is the safer more sure thing pick.

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I remain comfortably seated on the JD bus. I'm not looking for a good QB or a safe pick. I'm looking to get someone who has the talent and work ethic to be truly great. I think I see that in JD.

Surely, I could be wrong but past a certain point I don't think it's wise to tie up oneself and become indecisive by trying to pick the fly shit out of the pepper. The coaches will help him correct any minor flaws.

In JD I see just what I want in a modern day NFL QB and I'm hoping the Commanders brass drafts him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1361036]I hate to compare College to NFL but JD5 looks like a better passing Lamar Jackson.. We've seen what Lamar can do as a 2 time MVP... I like Maye alot and think he could be a good one but I feel Daniels is the safer more sure thing pick.[/quote]

Yeah Daniels just has it in him to randomly flip the field on a scramble where he rips off 40 yards. He is likely to do that 1-2 times a game, which for a team that will likely have a lot of stalled drives will mean 1-2 more scoring chances per game.

That said, I feel like this is a really nice problem to have because when I watch Maye I feel like I'm watching Justin Herbert.

What separates Daniels from Maye for me is Maye sails some easy passes sometimes. I didn't see Daniels do that very much. And then the threat with the legs I've already mentioned.

But if we ended up with either one I think we're looking at a franchise guy. I think there are 3 franchise level QBs in this draft and we pick 2nd. Finally, we're in the right place at the right time. Haven't been able to say that about QBs and the draft at any point in my adult life.

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[quote=Schneed10;1361039]Yeah Daniels just has it in him to randomly flip the field on a scramble where he rips off 40 yards. He is likely to do that 1-2 times a game, which for a team that will likely have a lot of stalled drives will mean 1-2 more scoring chances per game.

That said, I feel like this is a really nice problem to have because when I watch Maye I feel like I'm watching Justin Herbert.

What separates Daniels from Maye for me is Maye sails some easy passes sometimes. I didn't see Daniels do that very much. And then the threat with the legs I've already mentioned.

But if we ended up with either one I think we're looking at a franchise guy. I think there are 3 franchise level QBs in this draft and we pick 2nd. Finally, we're in the right place at the right time. Haven't been able to say that about QBs and the draft at any point in my adult life.[/quote]


Yeah I agree 100%. Some say Maye is like Josh Allen but I tend to lean towards the Herbo comparison too. Very simialt players, Maye is prob a bit more mobile than Herbert.

Overall I'm fine with either but still prefer JD

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1361040]Yeah I agree 100%. Some say Maye is like Josh Allen but I tend to lean towards the Herbo comparison too. Very simialt players, Maye is prob a bit more mobile than Herbert.

Overall I'm fine with either but still prefer JD[/quote]

I've also seen him compared to Andrew Luck . . . definitely wouldn't mine a young Andrew Luck coming on board!!

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From a purely practical perspective Daniels makes sense. If he's an equivalent to Lamar Jackson, then he at least offers that added dimension of a QB that can gain rushing yards when pass plays break down or on designed plays that leverage his running ability without unnecessarily risking him. I'm not a LJ fan because he's not a great passer, but you can't say he's not a playmaker. If Daniels can be a better passer than LJ, then maybe you have a franchise QB. At worst he could be the guy that makes us competitive until a future franchise QB is available again.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1361042]From a purely practical perspective Daniels makes sense. If he's an equivalent to Lamar Jackson, then he at least offers that added dimension of a QB that can gain rushing yards when pass plays break down or on designed plays that leverage his running ability without unnecessarily risking him. I'm not a LJ fan because he's not a great passer, but you can't say he's not a playmaker. If Daniels can be a better passer than LJ, then maybe you have a franchise QB. At worst he could be the guy that makes us competitive until a future franchise QB is available again.[/quote]I think Daniels is going to be a way better passer than Jackson and not as lethal of a runner as LJ but still a good one. You can't coach what this kid can bring to the table. His speed, quick release, and accuracy are elite. His release is significantly quicker than Maye's which is one reason I prefer him to be the pick.