Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

As more often than not Bill Maher hits the problem he is addressing right on the head.

[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/11/16/bill_maher_im_so_mad_at_the_democrats_and_their_aggressively_anti-common_sense_agenda.html[/url]

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Let's not forget that Trump not only beat Democratic nominees but also a large field of GOP candidates for the nomination in 2016 and then, even after 1/6/21, didn't even debate and still crushed Haley and DeSantis. Lets not pretend that the traditional GOP us without issue.

And that still doesnt erase the fact that many Republicans would not have voted for Trump if he had ran with the same America First platform, but as a Dem.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=hail2commanders;1368000]Let's not forget that Trump not only beat Democratic nominees but also a large field of GOP candidates for the nomination in 2016 and then, even after 1/6/21, didn't even debate and still crushed Haley and DeSantis. Lets not pretend that the traditional GOP us without issue.

And that still doesnt erase the fact that many Republicans would not have voted for Trump if he had ran with the same America First platform, but as a Dem.[/quote]

Well in 2016 the only reason Trump won the nomination is because it was such a large field any one of them would have beaten him but 17 refused to get out of each other's way paving the path for Trumps rise. Damn shame really.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=nonniey;1368001]Well in 2016 the only reason Trump won the nomination is because it was such a large field any one of them would have beaten him but 17 refused to get out of each other's way paving the path for Trumps rise. Damn shame really.[/quote]

I know that's been the conventional.wisdom, but I'm not even sure I buy it anymore. Maybe going head to head against Rubio or Christie would've exposed him, but I just don't know. The GOP base and a large number of indies look past the buffoonery.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1367994]That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.[/quote]

I mentioned he overcame folks within his own party. It’s obvious he didn’t support the Bush folks…it’s documented he met with them and didn’t offer them jobs or a seat at the table, that’s why they got big mad and started the never trump movement which failed miserably but they made a lot of money! Thanks nbc news and Comcast!

Trump didn’t like what the GOP did in the 2000s, with the economy and Iraq war. You do know this right? You do know Dick Chaney endorsed Kamala?

I mean, I remember Dems calling Chaney a war criminal.

But yeah, it’s part of the reason he’s will be remembered as an icon, overcoming strong factions within his own party

Bernie couldn’t do it, the party twice united to destroy his chances…he’s the only example I can think of in the Democratic Party to truly rebel against Dem positions multiple times.

Usually Dems just get in line: yeah killing a child on its day of birth is perfectly fine, yeah minor sex changes are beautiful, yeah Israel is committing genocide, yeah violent criminals should be giving grace, yeah all white people are racist, etc

You guys don’t even hear yourself anymore. Of course Trump changed the party, they actually removed a lot of folks Democrats opposed vehemently at one time…but now embrace? Weird

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[B]Popular vote totals make Trump’s ‘mandate’ look like a mirage[/B]


[url]https://news.yahoo.com/news/maddow-blog-popular-vote-totals-130359790.html[/url]


On the surface, the argument, such as it is, might seem unnecessary. Trump won, fair and square. He’ll have power and the ability to pursue his goals.

But the details matter. As things stand, according to the latest tally from the Cook Political Report, Trump won 49.86% of the popular vote — a margin of 1.6% over Vice President Kamala Harris. (The Democratic nominee, interestingly enough, came up short while winning a higher percentage of the popular vote than Trump received in 2016 or 2020.)

The bottom line is unambiguous: As a matter of arithmetic, the 2024 contest was a close race in which more Americans voted against him than for him.

This is relevant, not for practical reasons, but for political ones. Trump’s many critics can declare, accurately and honestly, to the nation and the world, that the incoming president lacks an electoral mandate. The incoming president and his allies, meanwhile, can try to claim that he's the one true voice of the nation, but the popular vote totals point in the opposite direction.

When some news organizations reported on this last week, Karoline Leavitt, the incoming White House press secretary, responded via social media, “New Fake News Narrative Alert! ... The fake news is trying to minimize President Trump’s massive and historic victory to try to delegitimize his mandate before he even takes the Oath of Office again.”

But the pushback is baseless. There’s nothing “fake” about actual election results, whether Republicans approve of them or not. Using the word “mandate” over and over again will not change the outcome or make Trump's coming overreach any less outrageous.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Still coping hard I see…lotta this action

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Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Chico23231;1368440]Still coping hard I see…lotta this action [/quote]

Still not won a popular vote election.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Giantone;1368489]Still not won a popular vote election.[/quote]

He did in fact win the popular vote. He just didn't win over 50 percent of the votes cast.

Ronald Reagan in 1984 won every state except Minnesota and I believe 57 percent of the vote. Nixon in 1972 won almost every state and I think over 60 percent. And yet if such a result was obtained today, you'd have people saying "but you need 70 percent for a mandate......"

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=hail2commanders;1368496]He did in fact win the popular vote. He just didn't win over 50 percent of the votes cast.

Ronald Reagan in 1984 won every state except Minnesota and I believe 57 percent of the vote. Nixon in 1972 won almost every state and I think over 60 percent. And yet if such a result was obtained today, you'd have people saying "but you need 70 percent for a mandate......"[/quote]

More people voted against him then for him. Not saying he didn't win, just not the popular vote.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Giantone;1368516]More people voted against him then for him. Not saying he didn't win, just not the popular vote.[/quote]

Fact check, yes Trump won the popular vote

[url]https://www.factcheck.org/2024/11/trump-won-the-popular-vote-contrary-to-claims-online/[/url]

In order to win the popular vote, a candidate must only receive more votes than any other single candidate — that is, a plurality of votes. They need not win the majority of all votes cast.


Bigly won the popular vote G1, suck it up buttercup

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Trump won the popular vote, he just didn’t cross 50%, just a little under it. Clinton won the popular vote twice but he didn’t cross 50%.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=88Commanders00;1368522]Trump won the popular vote, he just didn’t cross 50%, just a little under it. Clinton won the popular vote twice but he didn’t cross 50%.[/quote]

More people voted against trump then for him, yes it's that simple and a great case to dump the Electoral College.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Giantone;1368523]More people voted against trump then for him, yes it's that simple and a great case to dump the Electoral College.[/quote]

So, that’s happened several times. Trump still would have won in a popular vote Only election this time. There’s always a small percentage of third parties getting the vote.

Popular vote is the votes you actually get and if you win more than the other candidates, you won the popular vote. Just because you don’t hit the 50% threshold doesn’t mean you lost the popular vote.

No Dem was going to win this election because the top 2 issues were inflation and immigration and that went against the Democrats. Kamala couldn’t escape that because she was part of the current administration. Other Dems also couldn’t escape that because Dems are in charge and Dems are getting the blame.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Remarkable footage shows Wisconsin women screaming in unison towards Lake Michigan in the wake of Vice President Harris's Nov. 5 loss to President-elect Trump.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/women-engage-mass-primal-scream-wake-trump-victory-release-our-pain[/url]


Totally not a cult

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[QUOTE=88Commanders00;1368526]So, that’s happened several times. Trump still would have won in a popular vote Only election this time. There’s always a small percentage of third parties getting the vote.

Popular vote is the votes you actually get and if you win more than the other candidates, you won the popular vote. Just because you don’t hit the 50% threshold doesn’t mean you lost the popular vote.

[B]No Dem was going to win this election because the top 2 issues were inflation and immigration and that went against the Democrats. Kamala couldn’t escape that because she was part of the current administration. Other Dems also couldn’t escape that because Dems are in charge and Dems are getting the blame.[[/B]/QUOTE]

I get that IMO she did ok for a 12 week campaign against someone who had been running for 4 years.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Chico23231;1368532]Remarkable footage shows Wisconsin women screaming in unison towards Lake Michigan in the wake of Vice President Harris's Nov. 5 loss to President-elect Trump.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/women-engage-mass-primal-scream-wake-trump-victory-release-our-pain[/url]


Totally not a cult[/quote]

You should be able to relate , you've been screaming and whining for 4 years.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Well here is a fucking surprise......................


[url]https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-backtracks-campaign-pledge-bring-151932186.html[/url]


Trump Backtracks On Campaign Pledge To Bring Down Grocery Prices

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

trump the criminal is starting his Dictatorship early.........................


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-report-recommends-liz-cheney-212928997.html[/url]