Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Lotus;1042311]Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.[/quote]

Damn right! As a three-way player, he would have been a big upgrade at WR, Free Safety, and PR/KR!

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[quote=irish;1042285]When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.[/quote]

Well hindsight is always 20/20. Hindsight tells me you wait until the season is over to fire Norv Turner (the Redskins still had a winning record when Turner was fired.) Hindsight also tells me not to fire Charlie Casserly. Who knows? Charlie as GM and then hiring in Marty? That probably would have gotten the 'skins back on track.

It's just one of those things where this franchise has to continue to evolve into a "winning team" in the front office first before we can truly see it trickle down to the field. We've been saying this ever since we had to deal with Snyder/Cerrato as THE front office. Now that we've had a few years with Bruce Allen, we can at least see a big difference on the money side of things. But there's still work that has to be done in the front office, and it sounds like they're trying to do this. Allen is great with the money part of it, now the Redskins are looking for the perfect GM who has an eye for talent in both head coaching and players. Now, I have no idea on who they plan on moving up or hiring in for that - but this will be more crucial than trying to figure out who coaches the Redskins in '14.

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[quote=punch it in;1042182]Your idea of respectability and my idea of respectability are two totally different things.[/quote]

I have to agree with this. One year out of what 4 or 5 being above 500 is not what I would call respectability. I'll say he has brought "Order" to this team in that most of the bad character people have been shipped out. Plus the team has been rather quiet in the offseason. Although I'm afraid after this year Snyder might get back on his bandwagon again.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Lotus;1042311]Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.[/quote]

......maybe.
I think what bothers me the most (and I'm hearing it happened due to the league putting pressure on the team or MS) is RG3 getting the nod to start when he clearly was not 100%, I don't care how many times he says he was. To me 100% means he no longer needs that leg brace that is slowing him down and hindering his running and cutting ability. Is he 80% probably. But he got zippy work with the WR's and TEs in the offseason and it showed, his timing was off and balls were over thrown. Heck we still see it.

I would have played Cousins cause he had all preseason to practice with the WR's and TE's. I'd have let RG3 sit until maybe game 4 or whenever we played the Raiders. Depending on how he looked in practice I might have held him out until after the bye.

Right now.... I'd bench him to keep him healthy and so he didn't take all those hits, I'd play Cousins to show case him maybe for a trade.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1042147]Agree with most except TW, he's an all pro and most people have said it during our games[/quote]

He might be an all pro but to me it seems this year he's getting beat a lot. Maybe it's scheme. Maybe it's something else....perhaps he lost weight or gained weight. I don't know. Maybe what he's being asked to do this year is not his strong suit. IDK.

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[quote=Paintrain;1042151]Yeah, we were down 24-0 and ran a dive play.. My thought was, well I'm glad we set this up all game.. We owned time of possession and yardage so I'm not sure why we didn't up the tempo. Seems like a flaw of this staff not to recognize when a change is needed quickly enough. Lynch was praising the play calling when we were down 17-0 for 'not abandoning the gameplan' which is like praising the flight attendants for finishing beverage service on a plane plummeting through 18,000 feet.

There are certain assumptions I had about this staff that have proven false time and time again. It took me a while (almost as long as it does for Haslett to adjust) but I've mentally pulled the plug on this regime.[/quote]

Well as sad as it is I was 100% the Shanahan pick. Although prior I think I said Gruden. I felt all the Denver problems were the DC which Shanahan picked someone else and maybe the owner not paying for players.

Looking back at the 1st game what worked? Up tempo, no huddle, passing down the middle. So what did this team do? came out and did exactly what they did in the first game. Huddled, slow tempo, ran, and passes no more then 10yrds. Fail, Fail, Fail, and Fail. The Eagles strongest part of their defense is their DL (which is why the run didn't work) and their LB's (which is why the short passes were broken up or not working). Every team all season found a whole in the middle of the Eagles defense down the middle. What did the Skins do? 5 yrd dump offs and sideline passes.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1042054]i wouldnt mind bringing Briles in, but he cant run everything on his own. We would need a strong d cordinator, someone who can bring him along. Someone who is known and respected in the lockeroom. We are losing alot vets and leadership out of the lockeroom this year.

If we brought Briles with a weak staff, I have no doubt it would be another Spurrier epic fail.[/quote]

I'd let Briles run his offense. It's what made RG3 famous. However, you right we would need a strong OC to be able to point out what will work and what won't, not a yes man.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

I really hope you guys are being sarcastic when you're talking about Pat White.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1042305]Seems to have worked just fine for the Patriots and Giants in modern football. But of course, you absolutely turn a blind eye toward what else I said - which is a coach that players respect and WANT to play for. Nice try but you failed again.



Now look who's trying to put words in who's mouth? Again, I never said anything about sleeping in the office - you are the one who brought that up. I merely was saying that I want a coach who's willing to put in the time it takes to make this team successful - a perfectionist like Bill Walsh - someone who's going to take pride in being a Redskins head coach. If he can do all that by 8pm every night, great. But my point is, and obviously you cannot read context clues, is that I want a coach who is not going to put in minimal effort. I want maximum effort out of the coach. That is all I meant when I said a coach who's willing to put in long hours at Redskins Park - because it's going to take a heck of an effort to build this team into a constant winner.



[B]And this is where I'm calling you out on. Because in 1992, Richie was still the defensive coordinator - HE WAS NOT THE FREAKIN' HEAD COACH! I wouldn't expect Petitbon to put in the long hours that Gibbs did. GIBBS DID BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEAD COACH. What part of this do you not comprehend? And secondly, OK, 1993 - Richie Petitbon was head coach. Didn't put in the long hours? Look what the record was in 1993 - 4-12. Richie Petitbon was fired. In 1994, no more Gibbs and Richie Petitbon. So your example proves more of my point than it does yours.[/B]




No it wasn't. 1992 was the year after the 'skins last Super Bowl run and they barely made it into the playoffs. 1993, the team was 4-12. 1994, Norv Turner was hired. You have not proved your point at all. Thanks for making it easy in proving mine.[/quote]

Really? I didn't know that! lol..my point was Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense. Yeah the coach has extra responsibilities...but there's no reason for a head coach to stay til 3am to be a winner. We'll agree to disagree.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1042348]Really? I didn't know that! lol..my point was Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense. Yeah the coach has extra responsibilities...but there's no reason for a head coach to stay til 3am to be a winner. We'll agree to disagree.[/quote]

Obviously you didn't, because your prior point was that a head coach doesn't need to stay late to be successful and you used your "inside source, lol" from an era in which Gibbs was pretty much done with coaching (1992) to prove your point that a coach doesn't need to work late to be a winner. And then added that Gibbs was the one (1992) that stayed late, lol! Such a contradiction. And then I point that fact out to you, and then you say your point was that Joe Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense - lol! Sorry, but you did a piss poor job of proving your point. I'll certainly agree to disagree, because you're wrong, lol!

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1042357]Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.[/quote]

I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1042357]Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.

Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.[/quote]
The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Paintrain;1042366]The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?[/quote]

That's another great point. What coordinators would come in for possibly just one season, knowing a new coaching regime would probably not retain them? It would be a huge gamble. You almost have to go ahead and extend Shanahan's contract now for that to be realistic.