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[quote=FRPLG;444100]Yeah I am baffled too. Tripp you have given none of your treasured evidence to show why Thomas is such a dud. You just say it like it is proven fact and the only people on the planet who didn't know he sucked were the redskins and most of their fans.[/quote]


All of his stats were from one year. He had transfered from a smaller school and didnt get the "full" college playing time experience. A lot of analysts said the same thing about him being untested and there wasnt really too much to go off of when evaluating the guy, at least with film.

I think GT's point was our first pick was rather risky, so whats the big deal if he wasnt totally sold on the idea of picking him?

I think we should have taken Sweed personally but its whatever. I'm ok with Devin Thomas and im sure all of us will have our eyes on him this year.

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[quote=chrisl4064;444115]I think GT's point was our first pick was rather risky, so whats the big deal if he wasnt totally sold on the idea of picking him?.[/quote]

Wow that is an interesting way to describe GTripp in this case? There is no way to know what is going to happen(stats don't help) and as history shows it's simply an educated guessing game. It's all just a prediction so people who act like they know what's up are as I already said complete jokers.

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Bottom line, all three first day picks came outside of the first round and all three were at great value considering any of them, Davis included, could have been taken in the first round and no one would have batted an eye. And as I stated earlier, all three will make the team and bring immediate impact.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;443992]Thrash is probably indeed toast as well as any WR that isn't Moss or Randle El, unless the latter two will be trade bait. Strange pick for a new TE. Guy is a beast, but we do need a S and a young CB real bad, so why "waste" a pick on a non necessity? Zorn must not like our depth a TE at all. Overall I am OK with today's events though. IF Cooley goes down we have a beast of a backup or even someone that can give Cooley some real competition. [B]Moss is getting old and gets banged up too easy anymore. [/B]Still pissed at that fumble of his that cost us the Packers game and his nonchalant attitude about his crappy play that followed.[/QUOTE]

Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did [I]three years ago[/I]. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'

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[quote=mooby;444004]Do you mean at the draft or with the Redskins at Redskins Park? Because if you are suprised that he wasn't at the actual draft, that's really no big deal, there aren't any head coaches who actually go to the draft, they usually just send 3-4 team personnel to New York to put the name on the card and notify the league who they are drafting. Everyone else, i.e. front office, coaches, DS, they are all at Redskins Park.[/quote]


aaahhh...ok, yeah I didn't know. I guess its no big deal then.

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[quote=Beemnseven;444135]Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did [I]three years ago[/I]. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'[/quote]
I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;444135]Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did [I]three years ago[/I]. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'[/QUOTE]

Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;444159]I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.[/quote]

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;444166]Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.[/QUOTE]

One receiver alone cannot make an impact. All season we were limited in our WR's. Those games you speak of Moss did perform "average" but that was with another under 6' tall reciver who is not as fast as him on the other side. Moss is an asset and you will see that now that he has an opportunity to play without being double teamed. You cant pass judgement on him based on last season. I am almost certain you will be puting ketchup on and eating your post for lunch next season.

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if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;444173]if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?[/QUOTE]

Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;444175]Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.[/quote]

yeah, but its my understanding that there aren't any quality DE prospects left...anyone you can name?

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;444161]Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.[/QUOTE]

No, by 'trash' I mean he's probably gone. Thrash has contributed nicely over the years, but at some point he's going to have to make way for guys who can make big plays. I just think his time here is done.

With Mix, I'm only saying that he's got some serious competition now, so he'd better be up to the task. Otherwise there just won't be any room for him. Unless they totally bomb and suck out loud, I'd say Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly already have the edge on him.

As for Moss, yes, I know he's not going anywhere due to cap constraints. Perhaps the additions of other wideouts who can draw more attention from the DBs will take some heat off of him. I just think too many people are still living in 2005 when Moss was fantastic. They just can't seem to come to grips with the fact that he hasn't been anywhere near that level of productivity since.

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2 wide receivers and a tight end on the first day with an aged Offensive line and no pass rush was a bad draft. The shuffling that went on with the offensive line last year should not be forgotten and should have been addressed earlier. I have always hated teams that use the Cerrato philosophy of 'best available'.

I run a part time DJ biz and if I need a new amplifier and walk into the DJ store and buy a new mixer because it's on sale and a 'good value' what the heck good is it. I still need a new amp.

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[quote=SmootSmack;443733]I'd have loved the Kelly and Thomas picks if we had gotten some help on the D to go along with it. I have no problem not taking OL help yet. The talent is just as strong in the later rounds there. But not at DE. What do we do now?

As far as improving our WRs Kelly and Thomas is great, but does it make our team better?[/quote]

It doesn't make us better cause one guy isn't going to play unless we're going to be running a lot of 4 wr sets.