Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1166150]If the opening offer is $20M, and you know that McCartney's opening position is going to be $25M per year (which is just slightly higher than the tag), then it's very easy to see them coming together around $23M.



This deal gets done, guaranteed.[/QUOTE]


The guaranteed jack is where it's at anyway, as you are well aware

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1166051]keep in mind the Redskins gave up 3 first round picks and a second round pick for RGIII. And he had not played in the NFL. I am not saying the 49ers are that foolish, but they are desperate for QBs. They need two.

I would want the 49ers 2017 picks #2 ...#34...#66 and two 2018 picks. The Redskins would keep their #1 pick #17

[B]Or give KC 5 years . . . $125+ million and $60+ million guaranteed[/B]

.[/quote]

a friend who is also a redskins fan has been following the situation. when he said 5 years / $125m / $75m guaranteed, i thought that was insane.

but the more i considered it, that's probably what it will take. luck got 6yr/$140m/$87m guaranteed? luck is 3-3 in playoff games and hasn't lead his team there since 2014.

i could live w 5 years, $125m w $75m guaranteed.

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20mm sounds low for an opener but who knows it could 4 years fully garaunteed, or it could be heavily front loaded so this year and next he makes 27 and the final two is much lower that way he gets the big money up front but the average is lower. Who knows the details on such a small amount of information.

This gets done.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1166152]A-r-r-r-r-g-h! The least you can do is tell us what we want to hear. You know, a nice little feel good lie, like 70-75%.[/quote]

100%. Daniel Jeremiah knows nothing. Deal is actually already done, media is just dragging it out because they like drama

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[quote=los panda;1166154]a friend who is also a redskins fan has been following the situation. when he said 5 years / $125m / $75m guaranteed, i thought that was insane.

but the more i considered it, that's probably what it will take. luck got 6yr/$140m/$87m guaranteed? luck is 3-3 in playoff games and hasn't lead his team there since 2014.

i could live w 5 years, $125m w $75m guaranteed.[/quote]

The number sounds high but really it's all about percentage of salary cap. With the cap exploding in recent years these are the numbers it takes. QB is the single highest paid position on every team. When bums like Osweiler get big money it fucks it up for the rest of us.

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[quote=MTK;1166153]The guaranteed jack is where it's at anyway, as you are well aware[/quote]

Absolutely. And that could be something that hangs the whole thing up, who knows.

I believe that Cousins likes Gruden and wants to be in DC. That's the whole underpinning of my belief that it all gets done. I think McCartney has done a terrific job of leaking things at just the right time to get the media all spun up, and the internet rumor machine in overdrive, that Cousins wants out.

I think it's all BS. I wholeheartedly believe he wants to be here with Jay. And I wholeheartedly believe his wife Julie wants to be here. And I think, behind closed doors, he has told McCartney to get the Skins up as high as you can by any means necessary, and if they get in the ballpark then I'll sign.

And you're right, if the 'Skins don't get into the ballpark in terms of fair guaranteed money, then it could all fall apart. But I don't think that will happen, I think they know this negotiation is high stakes and for real now, and they won't screw it up.

July 15 is a ways away, and there's no reason for either side to cave yet. I think the combine ends having made some progress, but still a gap. But they get there by July.

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I think $20M is right if your intent is to meet in the middle at $22.5 or $23.0.

If I were Schaffer I would have started in the exact same spot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166157]100%. Daniel Jeremiah knows nothing. Deal is actually already done, media is just dragging it out because they like drama[/quote]

Thanks, man. You're the best! It was cold and windy out on that ledge.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1166144]Rich Eisen just said Cousins should not be making 23-24 million a year. 20 million per year is the max for Cousins.[/QUOTE]
I think 22 is a good deal for both

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

22 or 23 is absolutely fine by me. 25+ I would have to reconsider.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166157]100%. Daniel Jeremiah knows nothing. Deal is actually already done, media is just dragging it out because they like drama[/quote]

[B]BREAKING[/B]: SmootSmack confirms Fake News!

:devil:

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[quote=los panda;1166154]a friend who is also a redskins fan has been following the situation. when he said 5 years / $125m / $75m guaranteed, i thought that was insane.

but the more i considered it, that's probably what it will take. luck got 6yr/$140m/$87m guaranteed? luck is 3-3 in playoff games and hasn't lead his team there since 2014.

i could live w 5 years, $125m w $75m guaranteed.[/quote]

I'm thinking that Joe Flacco's contract is a better frame of reference than Andrew Luck's contract.

I'd like to think they could get a deal done with 5 years, $115M with $48M guaranteed. That would average $23M per year and the guarantee would be 40% of the total contract and twice as much as Kirk is guaranteed on a Franchise Tag deal for 2017.

Meanwhile, McDonald's is replacing workers making $9.50 per hour with robots. Think about that for a minute, Kirk!

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[quote=Schneed10;1166162]I think $20M is right if your intent is to meet in the middle at $22.5 or $23.0.

If I were Schaffer I would have started in the exact same spot.[/quote]

At least at 20M a year they are negotiating !

Cooley strongly believes that last year the first offer made by the Redskins was so lower than KC expected and KC's first counter offer was so much higher than the Redskins expected there was no negotiation to speak of.

I'm also thinking, on top of figuring out huge numbers, all this time, hesitations, leaking and drama helped the team get a sense of how the fanbase would react.
Like "ok we can pay him big money and not look like fools getting robbed"...

Do you think than can be any kind of a factor, or not at all?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1166176]At least at 20M a year they are negotiating !

Cooley strongly believes that last year the first offer made by the Redskins was so lower than KC expected and KC's first counter offer was so much higher than the Redskins expected there was no negotiation to speak of.

I'm also thinking, on top of figuring out huge numbers, all this time, hesitations, leaking and drama helped the team get a sense of how the fanbase would react.
Like "ok we can pay him big money and not look like fools getting robbed"...

Do you think than can be any kind of a factor, or not at all?[/quote]

I doubt they give a rat's ass what the fans think. Once again, I'm happy to help you increase your stock of American vernacular phrases.

I hear that some people over there would like Obama to run for President of France. I'd like him to move to France, also.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

I think the easy part is getting the yearly base salary down. Probably just figuring out the guaranteed money part of the deal and how to back-load the deal so that the worst part hits in higher cap years.

I also think a deal will get done, unless a trade offer is such that they can't refuse.