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[quote=Mattyk;650426]In a few hours all of this is going to be moot any way.[/quote]

True. It will be official what we've pretty much known for a [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/642144-post55.html]while[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650423] but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.[/quote]

i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant. :)

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;650428]^^Hours?[/quote]

Sure, I think it's safe to say Shanahan will be official very soon.

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Personally I would prefer Cowher to Shanahan. But to claim that there is a wide gap between them is problematic. There are good arguments for both.

My preference soon becomes irrelevant, anyway.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;650405]Cowher must have been very special to the Rooney family it took him what 15 years to win a Super Bowl. Most coaches don't get that long and only have 1 Super Bowl Ring & 2 AFC Championships.[/quote]

And I think it is fair to say he would not get that here. Shanahan has a higher upside out of the gate, and knows DS and BA and can work with them. Cowher would come here like a raging maniac and tear the team down, DS would get antsy and we would be right back to where we were with Marty. IF this franchise is going to work, there has to be cohesion and understanding of proper roles. I think Shanahan showed far more ability to work with what Bowlen wanted, and that allowed Bowlen to trust him. Cowher simply came into a family that believed in stay the course and we will win. And he did eventually. We are not a "stay the course" franchise. We need a coach and GM who DS respect completely, and who can talk to him clearly. I think that makes MS a better fit here, even if BHA's statistics show Cowher to have had a marginally better career.

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Is Shanny agent still at Redskin Park?

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[quote=over the mountain;650433]i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant. :)[/quote]

touche'

(how do i get that cool accent mark thingie to appear over the e? wait. does that make me more ignorant that i don't already know the answer?)

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[quote=SmootSmack;650432]True. It will be official what we've pretty much known for a [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/642144-post55.html]while[/url][/quote]

Dreamkiller.

Re: Report: Shanahan to DC done deal
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;650440]And I think it is fair to say he would not get that here. Shanahan has a higher upside out of the gate, and knows DS and BA and can work with them. Cowher would come here like a raging maniac and tear the team down, DS would get antsy and we would be right back to where we were with Marty. IF this franchise is going to work, there has to be cohesion and understanding of proper roles. I think Shanahan showed far more ability to work with what Bowlen wanted, and that allowed Bowlen to trust him. Cowher simply came into a family that believed in stay the course and we will win. And he did eventually. We are not a "stay the course" franchise. We need a coach and GM who DS respect completely, and who can talk to him clearly. I think that makes MS a better fit here, even if BHA's statistics show Cowher to have had a marginally better career.[/quote]

Nice post.

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Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [URL="http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG"]golf buddy[/URL][/quote]
from what I hear about Shanny that wouldn't be par for the course

Re: Report: Shanahan to DC done deal
 

[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url][/quote]

Yikes.

Re: Report: Shanahan to DC done deal
 

[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url][/quote]

No please no

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[quote=SmootSmack;650402]BHA, are you taking into account times when Shanahan's Broncos won the division and earned a bye while Cowher's Steelers had to play a Wild Card game? I mean to me that's essentially a playoff win (with an asterisk) when you earn a bye.[/quote]

I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and [U]playoff results[/U].

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. [U]What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did. [/U]

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

[B][U]Last 3 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

[B][U]Last 10 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650423]you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.[/quote]

I see what your getting at but I still wouldn't say "immensely" better. As much as it's a "what have you done for me lately" it's also a "prove your worth" league. In other words Shanahan has gotten to and won more championships and SB's vs. Cowher. I don't think it matters if it was 10yrs ago or 4yrs ago. Everyone was excited about JG2 cause he was a proven commodity and has gotten to the big house. I'd say both Cowher and Shanahan are proven commodities but Shanahan has gotten to the big house more often not simply had a chance and didn't make it.