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[quote=hooskins;300891]You dont think he will be better than Roy Williams? If he isnt better than Williams then CJ will be considered a bust. You cannot think he will be a bust.[/quote]So, according to Hooskins...0% chance that CJ will be worse than Roy Williams?

I mean, I'm not sure how that claim can be made with such certainty.

I'll say theres a 35% chance that he's not as good as Roy Williams, which means that I think theres a 35% chance that he will be deemed a bust.

To me, if he holds a starting role in this league for 10 years, he's not a bust. He just will be incapable of living up to unprecidented expectations.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;300894]Yes, I agree with that. I also agree that I have high expectations for CJ.[/QUOTE]

That's the thing though. They're all great receivers, phenomenal even, but they aren't making their teams any better. Like I said, CJ would be great for this team if he was a final piece.

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[quote=SmootSmack;300896]That's the thing though. They're all great receivers, phenomenal even, but they aren't making their teams any better. Like I said, CJ would be great for this team if he was a final piece.[/quote]Even in that case, you'd have to be wondering why the Moss/Cooley combination would be considered inadequate, to the point where we would need to use a precious 1st rounder at the position. Seems to me that if you need to improve the passing attack, both those guys are capable of more responsibility.

I can't ever remember a situation where the hype ran this rampant before. I mean what you saw from CJ on Saturday's last year was pretty good. What these draft experts saw makes you wonder if theres a perception barrier or something. Theres just no way we were watching the same guy they were.

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[quote=SmootSmack;300896]That's the thing though. They're all great receivers, phenomenal even, but they aren't making their teams any better. Like I said, CJ would be great for this team if he was a final piece.[/quote]

Yeah but what about all the good receivers on good in the present and past?
Holt, R. Moss with the Vikings, etc.

And who is to say that team will not be better in the LR by getting a WR? They can work on their other pieces later, but get the best WR option right now.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;300900]Yeah but what about all the good receivers on good in the present and past?
Holt, R. Moss with the Vikings, etc.

And who is to say that team will not be better in the LR by getting a WR? They can work on their other pieces later, but get the best WR option right now.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong. I'm right. End of discussion. Locking this thread

Seriously though, it comes down to a difference in philosophy I suppose. I believe in buidling from the inside out as much as possible. Meaning build the trenches then work your way out to the skill players.

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[quote=SmootSmack;300902]You're wrong. I'm right. End of discussion. Locking this thread

Seriously though, it comes down to a difference in philosophy I suppose. I believe in buidling from the inside out as much as possible. Meaning build the trenches then work your way out to the skill players.[/quote]

Yeah I understand that. I just see the rationale for both sides, I dont think one side is the ultimate answer or anything.

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On a side note the Lakers just gave away their lead to Suns. I thought they had control of the game, sucks for them.

Re: Redskins looking at WR in the first round
 

[quote=hooskins;300900]Yeah but what about all the good receivers on good in the present and past?
Holt, R. Moss with the Vikings, etc.

And who is to say that team will not be better in the LR by getting a WR? They can work on their other pieces later, but get the best WR option right now.[/quote]But what teams have ever built success around a top 10 WR pick. I mean, teams have won games with a top 10 WR on their roster, but usually they have to make another really smart top 10 pick to get over the hump.

It's the fallacy of WR's and the way they are graded out of college. A team takes a WR at No. 6, another team takes a WR at 25? Who will be the better player? Historically its been a toss up.

If you are trying to address WR, the best thing you can do is not fall in love with any of the available prospects, trade down in the draft, and take the best remaining guy.

Falling in love with a top 5 receiver has traditionally always been a bad move in the long run...even if the pick does pan out.

So teams foolishly now think this guy, Johnson, is going to buck that trend based on the amount of hype.

And if he does redefine the position and the team that drafts him successfully builds an offense around him, instead of using him as part of the offense, I will eat some major crow.

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[quote=SmootSmack;300902]Seriously though, it comes down to a difference in philosophy I suppose. I believe in buidling from the inside out as much as possible. Meaning build the trenches then work your way out to the skill players.[/quote]Yeah, but when one philosophy has never, ever worked even once before, isn't it then a right/wrong deal until further notice.

I'd admit a bias here: I can not fathom how an offense would be built around a WR at the center of it. The way offense works today, even the best WRs are small parts of the offense. I suppose theres no reason to assume building an offense starting from the outside in is possible, but its just unpredicented so far.

I don't know how it could work. If such a player did exist who was so phyisically dominant that he could get the ball on every play and not lose effectiveness, it would completely flip the game on it's side. But I don't know if this type of player does or will ever exist. It's currently unfathomable the way the game is played.

The Cardinals have invested so much into their offense, but because they tried to build outside in, they still ranked 31st in DVOA this year. They could have invested a lot less into their offense, more into their defense, and produced more offensive production if they built from the inside out, IMO.

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Do not draft a WR. Lloyd and ARE just got here. Isn't this going tho be there second year. Let Jason and them get timing down and they will do alot better.

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I think if they want to get a receiver to complement Santana and it's not CJ it should be Ginn...now that guy is explosive....

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[QUOTE=KnoxRedskins;300908]I think if they want to get a receiver to complement Santana and it's not CJ it should be Ginn...now that guy is explosive....[/QUOTE]

First of all, welcome to the board.

Secondly, don't we already have explosive guys in Moss and El?

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[quote=SmootSmack;300909]First of all, welcome to the board.

Secondly, don't we already have explosive guys in Moss and El?[/quote]

yes we do

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I totally agree with you...but I was just throwing it out there ..I think if they would go after the slow USC receiver it would be better to take Ginn..thanks for the welcome ..I've been reading you guys for months..I'm honored to be able to join a bunch of Skins fans...

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WR's are a dime a dozen come draft time, and usually the 1st rounder WR's tend to be busts as of late. We need to finally focus on the defensive line for God's sake!!!!! The only other position I can see us drafting at#6 that would make sense is if we actually made a play for Landry or(this sounds nuts I am sure) maybe even Quinn. After JC we have Mr. Noodle Arm and the other old man reject. Not much there if JC goes down or doesn't work out for some reason. Landry back there with Sean would be a killer prospect also. Just have to wait for Saturday and see what fun the Danny has in store for us!!!!