Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;407814]As of right now, the Lions are asking for at least a #2 pick for RW, allegedly. Pats got Moss for a 4th[/QUOTE]

That would be a bargain for someone like Roy Williams considering he still fairly young. If we spent a 2nd rounder on the draft for a WR we wouldn't get the experience and talent proven by RW. Moss was cheap because he didn't produce in Oakland and the baggage he carried.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

I would love to have Chad on the Redskins. Think of it...Chad running down the field, even in covered he still has alost a foot on every other defender in the NFL, and Jason sees him, TD Redskins. We NEED a receiver Jason can consistently throw too down the feild. It will give Jason the much needed confidence he needs and open up the running game because the opponents safeties are forced to cover down the feild. I say go after him.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;408608]explain how chad is an idiot and brings drama.[/quote]

This is the perception that caused Johnson to shun the Cincy media this season. He's a character, and seems generally likable, but you get some shots of him and Carson Palmer going at it on the sidelines, or him talking about his next touchdown celebration, and he is viewed as a locker room cancer. Let's be clear, Chad isn't Pac Man Jones, he's never destroyed a locker room or alienated a QB like T.O. or Randy Moss, he's never been sent packing a la Keyshawn in Tampa. He's outspoken, that's what he is, that is his game. I wouldn't have a problem with him in D.C. if there weren't the issues of draft pick and monetary compensation.

The bigger issue it seems to me, and I bring this up anecdotally without having examined all the statistics or pouring over game tape, is that Johnson is more of a deep threat who is sporadic in his production (as deep threats tend to be) and who is not a guy who consistently moves the chains and he doesn't (I don't think, could be wrong here) score a lot of touchdowns in the red zone. Certainly he is a bit bigger than Santana, but is his game really all that different? Wouldn't the Redskins be better served by someone like (and again you'd have to think about the issues of compensation) Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald if either came available?

As someone said above, if Hue Jackson does end up as OC then I could see the possibility of Johnson landing in D.C., for good or ill, go up.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

Do we have any cap room to afford Chad??

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

[url=http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080116/SPT02/301160034/]The Enquirer - Zimmer: I'm tough[/url]



Lewis rejects Chad trade talk.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

Since I hadn't looked at the statistics prior to my last post, here are some. They contradict some, but maybe not all, of what I said previously.

Chad Johnson - 6-1, 192 (i.e. not a foot taller than DB's as mentioned above) (29 years old)

Total - 93 catches, 1,440 yds, 8 tds

Opp 19-1 - 8 catches, 50 yds, 5 tds
Opp 49-20 - 29, 391, 2
Own 1-20 - 10, 178, 0
Own 20-49 - 46, 821, 1

1st down catches - 74/93 - 79.6% (so he does more the chains)

Compared to T.J. Houshmandzadeh, 6-1, 199

Total - 112 catches, 1,143 yds, 12 tds

Opp 19-1 - 16, 115, 8
Opp 49-20 - 38, 429, 4
Opp 1-20 - 8, 81, 0
Opp 20-49 - 50, 518, 0

1st down catches - 70/112 - 62.5%

Compared to Roy Williams, 6-3, 211 (26 years old)

Total - 64 catches, 838 yds, 5 tds

Opp 19-1 - 7, 49, 4
Opp 49-20 - 13, 152, 0
Opp 1-20 - 8, 152, 1 (almost all on that one play against Philly)
Opp 20-49 - 36, 485, 0

1st down catches - 34/64 - 53.1%

Compared to Santana Moss, 5-10, 200 (28 years old)

Total - 61 catches, 808 yds, 3 tds

Opp 19-1 - 3, 11, 1 (OUCH!)
Opp 49-20 - 26, 360, 3 (note to NFL.com, those TDs don't add up right)
Opp 1-20 - 10, 124, 0
Opp 20-49 - 28, 381, 0

1st down catches - 47/61 - 77.0%

Compared to Chris Cooley

Total - 66 catches, 781 yds, 8 tds

Opp 19-1 - 9, 106, 6
Opp 49-20 - 28, 368, 2
Opp 1-20 - 5, 54, 0
Opp 20-49 - 29, 304, 0

1st down catches - 37/66 - 56%

So it turns out Chad Johnson is pretty good. Would be a matter of compensation, which worries me since the Redskins have yet to end not overpay in a trade since Snyder has owned the team. We shall see.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

[QUOTE=lespaul;408627][url=http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080116/SPT02/301160034/]The Enquirer - Zimmer: I'm tough[/url]



Lewis rejects Chad trade talk.[/QUOTE]

i did not see that in the article.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

Chad is not T.O. I would not mind seeing him come to DC to complement Moss and ARE. Given Campbell more targets and mor ethreats will open up the offense a lot more IMO. As a locker room cancer I would not classify him as so. Anyways if he ends up in the east we may well be in trouble.

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i'd take him in a second... if draft picks and players become involved it gets much trickier though as far as improving the team...

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Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

The Redskins need a tall posession receiver to whom Campbell can throw the deep ball and have the receiver fight the ball (see Brady to Moss). That could be CJ or Berrian or even Randy Moss. Having that type of receiver will open up the passing game, and we need to have that. I doubt that could happen with a young rookie.

Its funny how everyone criticizes CJ, meanwhile here in Washington we have a receiver that is causing trouble in the locker room, he's getting paid, and he is doing NOTHING. At least Johnson is producing, despite the fact that he is having issues.

Oh if New England pays Moss, I will be shocked, they never pay anyone. Any team will pay Moss lots of $$, and if he wins the SB with New England, he will leave.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

[quote=Ruhskins;408945]
Oh if New England pays Moss, I will be shocked, they never pay anyone. Any team will pay Moss lots of $$, and if he wins the SB with New England, he will leave.[/quote]


i don't know about that. he may choose to stay in NE for less $ simply because they give him the best opportunity to break records and win superbowls while still making plenty of $.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

Just saw this on espn.com [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3200777]ESPN - Lewis says Bengals won't trade Johnson, believes he will 'be a pro' - NFL[/url]

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3200777"]ESPN - Lewis says Bengals won't trade Johnson, believes he will 'be a pro' - NFL[/URL]

Looks like Chad isn't going anywhere. I certainly hope this ends the talk of him landing in DC.

Re: Chad Johnson Wants Out of Cincy
 

Yeah, and Billick also said he'd be back next year