Re: Trade for Boldin?
 

I would definitely take Boldin over Johnson and Williams.

Re: Trade for Boldin?
 

[quote=Rajmahal33;441971]link on the boldin ESPN article?

I think you have to take the whole Boldin thing in with a grain of salt:
1) He is not much younger than Chad at 27 (2 years and change) so the complaint about Chad's year count is either totally overblown or should be applied partially towards boldin too. And I'll take Chad's consistency and durability over that 2 yr difference with boldin

2) Boldin has had some injury concerns and the last thing we need is an injury prone player on our roster. Just another chance at an offseason hypothetical, leaving us scratching our heads, asking what if so-and-so was healthy.

3) Boldin's numbers are padded by the fact that he played in the pass happy NFC West. When you play in high scoring games against SF, St Louis and Seattle, especially when your team is down by a large margin and has to pass, your WR's are gonna get the stats. Also, the DB's probably aren't as good as in Chad's AFC North (with Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

4) Boldin had the benefit of Fitzgerald taking away a lot of the attention and it probably suited for the #2 role on any team. 85 on the other hand was almost always doubled and was always treated as the #1 threat on the field.

5) Boldin has never really played in big (NFL) game situations. He has no playoff experience and typically his teams have finished well under .500. Arizona is a pretty tame NFL state where little pressure is put on that team to perform. Who knows how he will deal with big city pressure and expectations, especially in a media market like DC?[/quote]


point 3 and 4 bunk, he was the only WR his first year and still got a hair away from 1400, which is better than i've seen a WR do here in just about forever. he a LEGIT #1! he's DEFINITELY better than santana and he has less injury problems as far as games affected (santanna's hammy's just linger forever). though the point about injury concerns are totally valid.

point 5 is bull, i mean, no offense, but that's a stupid arguement. if matt hasslebeck played in dc, he'd be loved by the fans, cause HE CAN PLAY. boldin would be in the same situation.

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[quote=skinsfan69;441951]I'd prefer him over CJ because of the age factor. But it's just going to cost too much and he's going to want a deal near what Fitzgerald got. Plus he's injury prone.

I hate to keep repeating myself but [B]why can't we draft a guy like Boldin in the 3rd or 4th round?[/B][/quote]

why can't we win the lottery every day?

boldin was a 2nd rounder i believe (but colston was a 7th rounder, and there's jerry rice)

it's just not that easy.

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[quote=That Guy;442149]point 3 and 4 bunk, he was the only WR his first year and still got a hair away from 1400, which is better than i've seen a WR do here in just about forever. he a LEGIT #1! he's DEFINITELY better than santana and he has less injury problems as far as games affected (santanna's hammy's just linger forever). though the point about injury concerns are totally valid.

[B]point 5 is bull, i mean, no offense, but that's a stupid arguement. if matt hasslebeck played in dc, he'd be loved by the fans, cause HE CAN PLAY. boldin would be in the same situation[/B].[/quote]

yeah I agree, #5 is really stretching it.

He played at Florida St., did he not play any big games there??

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[quote=Mattyk72;442161]yeah I agree, #5 is really stretching it.

He played at Florida St., did he not play any big games there??[/quote]

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;442144]I would definitely take Boldin over Johnson and Williams.[/QUOTE]

Well, Boldin over Johnson is a no brainer if you ask me, but why Boldin over Williams????

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[quote=jsarno;442195]Well, Boldin over Johnson is a no brainer if you ask me, but why Boldin over Williams????[/quote]

cause williams isn't as good as people think and boldin is much better than being "just" a #2 as people have stated in the thread (As which is totally bogus).

williams also said he isn't a west coast WR...

Re: Trade for Boldin?
 

[quote=That Guy;442150]why can't we win the lottery every day?

boldin was a 2nd rounder i believe (but colston was a 7th rounder, and there's jerry rice)

it's just not that easy.[/quote]

why not? other teams draft quality wr's in rounds 2-7. it's not an uncommon thing ya know... brandon marshall, colston, greg jennings, steve smith and so on. with our recources it should be an easy thing to do imo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;442266]why not? other teams draft quality wr's in rounds 2-7. it's not an uncommon thing ya know... brandon marshall, colston, greg jennings, steve smith and so on. with our recources it should be an easy thing to do imo.[/quote]

easy to get the one decent late round guy out of 32 teams? i don't know how you can say something's easy when 3% of teams can do it in a single year. to me that's, well, the opposite of easy. and the other guys have the same resources we do, so that's moot as far as an advantage.

if it's so easy, go ahead and tell us who next year's wr stud is going to be and when we should pick him and we'll see if he's available and if he turns out to be any good in his first year. chances are you'll lose on it though.

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Here's a quick proof that a lot of ppl are ranting about the CJ situation and don't stop to look at the situation more thoroughly:

CJ doesn't want a new deal, he wants out of Cincy...a poorly run team, with a bunch of thugs and terrible management.

Boldin wants a new deal and more money, especially after Fitz got a ton of money from the Cards. The Cards have offered him a new deal, but Rosenhaus didn't accept it.

Now, while I've said many times that CJ is a case head, in this situation I think the greedy one is Boldin. Why do I bring this up, because there are a lot of people who are just ranting b/c they hate CJ and not b/c they are making a good argument.

Besides, as it has been said before, we quickly come down on players that want out of their contracts, but say nothing when teams cut players before their contract is up. It's all a business, so let's stop pretending like both players and teams honor their contracts.

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[quote=Ruhskins;442283]Here's a quick proof that a lot of ppl are ranting about the CJ situation and don't stop to look at the situation more thoroughly:

CJ doesn't want a new deal, he wants out of Cincy...a poorly run team, with a bunch of thugs and terrible management.

Boldin wants a new deal and more money, especially after Fitz got a ton of money from the Cards. The Cards have offered him a new deal, but Rosenhaus didn't accept it.

Now, while I've said many times that CJ is a case head, in this situation I think the greedy one is Boldin. Why do I bring this up, because there are a lot of people who are just ranting b/c they hate CJ and not b/c they are making a good argument.

Besides, as it has been said before, we quickly come down on players that want out of their contracts, but say nothing when teams cut players before their contract is up. It's all a business, so let's stop pretending like both players and teams honor their contracts.[/quote]

Why are people crucifying Boldin like he's the greedy a-hole? I understand where Boldin's coming from, Fitzgerald is getting paid like 4 times the salary of Boldin and Boldin doesn't have a lot of years left on his deal anyways. He simply wants to be paid what he's worth, and he knows that's not gonna happen with Arizona because they don't have the cap space to afford him so he wants to be traded. It's not like Boldin signed a new deal a year ago and he wants to upgrade from getting paid 7 million a year to 10 million a year.

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[QUOTE=mooby;442286]Why are people crucifying Boldin like he's the greedy a-hole? I understand where Boldin's coming from, Fitzgerald is getting paid like 4 times the salary of Boldin and Boldin doesn't have a lot of years left on his deal anyways. He simply wants to be paid what he's worth, and he knows that's not gonna happen with Arizona because they don't have the cap space to afford him so he wants to be traded. It's not like Boldin signed a new deal a year ago and he wants to upgrade from getting paid 7 million a year to 10 million a year.[/QUOTE]

Well unfortunately for Boldin Arizona doesn't know anything about cap space. LOL. But true, Arizona won't be able to pay both Boldin and Fitz so they should consider trading him. The same for Cincy, they won't be able to pay both Chad and TJ. But these teams are sticking to their guns.

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True, but at some point Arizona is gonna have to realize that he's either gonna walk for nothing or they can trade him and get something, either that or he decides to take a new contract that will fit under Arizona's salary cap but won't pay him that much. The difference with CJ is that I think the Bengals are determined that they aren't gonna let him call the shots, they are either gonna move on with him or without him, and the smart money is on with him because 98% of the guys in this league that threaten to holdout the entire season end up coming in to play because of all the money they are losing.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;442213]cause williams isn't as good as people think and boldin is much better than being "just" a #2 as people have stated in the thread (As which is totally bogus).[/quote]

Well, those that said he's just a #2 don't know any better, and I can easily ignore those comments as untrue.

[quote]williams also said he isn't a west coast WR...[/QUOTE]

That's a good point, but I really think he doesn't know what he's talking about. West coast offenses are BETTER for WR's. I just think Williams has more talent and is younger, and larger. He'd be a perfect fit for us.
But hey, to each his own.

Re: Trade for Boldin?
 

I don't know about Boldin being a #2. In my book he's a #4 reciever, but in all honesty anyone that can put up the type of numbers Boldin put up, with virtually no running game, not to mention having to catch passes for a while from the likes of Shaun King and Josh McCown is a bonafide #1 reciever in my book. And remember this was before Larry Fitzgerald came to town.

Personally I would offer the Cardinals the same deal we offered for CJ