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[quote=Schneed10;529185]If the Rays and Marlins can do it, so can the Bills and Bengals. Payroll is not an excuse.[/quote]Right, I'm not saying they would be excused for losing. I don't think the league would look very different without a salary cap. I'm saying that those teams have incentives to cut payroll and try to win that way than to keep extending contracts in order to meet the salary floor.

Unlike in baseball, I actually think a football team could sustain winning without increasing payroll because the draft in football is far more predictable than the one in baseball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529183]

Which is likely what Buffalo and Cincinnati will try to do in the future.

A football team can still be very competitive on a minuscule payroll, but they have to be able to draft well, or they have no other way of sustaining winning ball.[/quote]

I apologize for going off-topic, but i'm going to do it anyway...

personally i have no problem with the bengals and bills and other small market teams having less money to spend on players. Like you mentioned, they still do have a chance to win if they are well managed. More importantly, how many people are fans of the bengals and bills? really? small market teams, by definition, have small fan bases. football is entertainment and the purpose of entertainment is to give the most people as possible enjoyment. teams like new england, new york, philly, washington, dallas, etc all have huge fan bases... why not have a system in place that allows teams with a larger number of fans have the chance to win more often? put another way, a capless leage (in theory) rewards fans of teams like the redskins because they will buy more jerseys and merchandise... so in essence, fans can have more of an impact on whether the team they root for wins or not.

small market teams like cincy, minnesota, and buffalo will be horrible. fans will stop buying merchandice. the teams will stop making money. and what will happen then? the owners will be forced to relocate to a market that has a larger fanbase (LA, Canada, Mexico, etc). That, in turn, would create new NFL fans (good for the sport) and increased revenue for those franchises, allowing them to be competitive again. (Assuming onwership wasnt stubborn) And what about the fans whose teams have moved? well, they can start rooting for another team, one that has a greater chance to win more games (thereby making the fans happier).

short-term, the lack of a salary cap would be bad for the players and fans in small market franchises. but long-term, the benefits would be great for the sport as a whole.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529187]Sorry man, I don't know much about baseball and I guess my ignorance is shown by that comment. But being in the DC area with teams like the Orioles, who don't have a fighting chance in hell against the Sox and Yanks gives me this type of mentality.[/quote]

The Orioles are just a shitty franchise. They don't successfully develop enough home-grown talent, and on the free agents they do acquire they miss big time (Miguel Tejada).

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;529148]lordy, i dont want this guy. period. sure he is a monster on the line, but lets not forget he only been like that for what the last two years? [B]plus lets not forget that time when he steped on gurode with his cleat.[/B] I think he brings to much baggage, sooo no thank you move on.[/quote]

Funny...that's one of the reasons why I really want him. He showed his distaste for cowboys which is the way into my heart.

For the rest of it though he is just not worth the huge investment. I do want to shore up both lines though so it's hard to pass up capable lineman just because of the cost.

On a side note, it's pretty bad that I trust other NFL team's GMs and personnel guys when they give their negative assesment of Haynesworth but if the Skins camp mentions Haynesworth in a positive light I feel like they haven't done their due diligence.

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So I got curious, and looked at the World Series vs. the Superbowl in the past 20 years. I checked to see how many top-15 payroll teams in MLB have appeared in the WS vs. how many top-15 most valuable franchises in NFL appeared in the SB, for anyone interested here's what I found.

World Series from 1988 through 2008
40 teams appeared in the WS of which 30 were from the top-15 payroll

Superbowl from 1988 through 2008
42 teams played in the SB, of which 22 were from the top-15 most valuable franchises
(If you take out either the 1988 SB or 2008, to have the same number of teams in both comparisons, since there was no WS in 1994, it would be 40 teams played in SB and 20 of them were from the top-15 most valuable franchises)

So think they are pretty comparable between the two sports. I'd be curious to see what those numbers are for playoff appearances, but that's just too much work. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529202]So I got curious, and looked at the World Series vs. the Superbowl in the past 20 years. I checked to see how many top-15 payroll teams in MLB have appeared in the WS vs. how many top-15 most valuable franchises in NFL appeared in the SB, for anyone interested here's what I found.

World Series from 1988 through 2008
40 teams appeared in the WS of which 30 were from the top-15 payroll

Superbowl from 1988 through 2008
42 teams played in the SB, of which 22 were from the top-15 most valuable franchises
(If you take out either the 1988 SB or 2008, to have the same number of teams in both comparisons, since there was no WS in 1994, it would be 40 teams played in SB and 20 of them were from the top-15 most valuable franchises)

So think they are pretty comparable between the two sports. I'd be curious to see what those numbers are for playoff appearances, but that's just too much work. LOL.[/quote]

As we (and the Cowboys, Yankees and NBA Knicks) have proved, there is no correlation between spending and winning. Winning is done by making smart personnel decisions, having a clear and consistent organizational plan and executing the plan.

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I hope Haynesworth doesn't come here. He's better than anyone we currently have but he's not going to pass block is he? I just don't see a huge need at DT.

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[quote=Schneed10;529197]The Orioles are just a shitty franchise. They don't successfully develop enough home-grown talent, and on the free agents they do acquire they miss big time (Miguel Tejada).[/quote]

andy macphail is working his magic . . 2 years from now the Os are gonna be nasty. (and miggy led this team for years, earned his salary while here then got traded for young talent).

difference between the Os now and 2 years ago is that angelos finally stopped trying to play GM and hired a very respected knowledgable guy to make the decisions. the result? farm system went from dead last to 13th overall, they have the no. 1 prospect in matt weiter, markakis and b-rob signed up (keeping home grown talent), made their first japanesse acquisition in a pitcher who has sick command from what is being reported, got cubs former no 1 prospect, got seattles no 2 prospect last year, and drafted and signed one of the best pitchers in this past draft.

^^ man, wish i was writing all this stuff about how the skins are making all the right moves . . baseball is a different breed though.

go O's baby!! yeah!!

ps - we dis well against the yanks last year and beaned arod 3 times!

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[quote=skinsfan69;529204]I hope Haynesworth doesn't come here. He's better than anyone we currently have but he's not going to pass block is he? [B]I just don't see a huge need at DT[/B].[/quote]

Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.

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Skinsfan_nn, check your PM

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The ‘Skins are going to go after one major free agent and appear ready to spend a little money in the free agent market. [B]Is it Albert Haynesworth[/B]? [B]Is it Khalif Barnes from Jacksonville[/B]? It seems clear from doing research in Indy, the ‘Skins want to improve both lines.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/diner-morning-news-15/]The National Football Post | Diner Morning News[/url]

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Yesssssssss Haynesworth.......Finally someone to cause complete havic..

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I had never thought of trading Springs as a legit option. Does he get us more than a 4th? And if he get us that do we use that (and something else) to move up?

Sign Khalif Barnes, trade down and draft Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the first two rounds, draft Marcus Freeman or Follett in the 3rd round and call it a day.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529218]I had never thought of trading Springs as a legit option. Does he get us more than a 4th? And if he get us that do we use that (and something else) to move up?

Sign Khalif Barnes, trade down and draft Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the first two rounds, draft Marcus Freeman or Follett in the 3rd round and call it a day.[/quote]Would Barnes' skill set be worth the money he gets if the plan is to slide him across the line to the right side?

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[quote=SmootSmack;529218]I had never thought of trading Springs as a legit option. Does he get us more than a 4th? And if he get us that do we use that (and something else) to move up?

Sign Khalif Barnes, trade down and draft Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the first two rounds, draft Marcus Freeman or Follett in the 3rd round and call it a day.[/quote]

No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.