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[quote=SmootSmack;530317]It's kind of funny how we used the comp pick we got for losing Dockery on Rinehart, a guy we thought would replace Dockery...and now we could just be getting Dockery back anyway.[/quote]

It's all coming to a full circle close. LOL.

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A couple of comments:

1. Once a player is cut/released he is a free agent and there are no tampering restrictions related to other teams contacting him and signing him. See Gibril Wilson and his deal with the Dolphins as an example...

2. Good to see that all the Warpathers who were so angry when Dockery left here to sign with the Bills have forgiven him.

3. Someone had the 2009 OL with the following people as back-ups:

Heyer, Jansen, Rhinehart and Geisinger.

That is a recipe for needing to go through all of 2009 with no injuries to the OL starters. Jansen is the ONLY player there who has shown ANY consistent abiltiy to play at the NFL level and he is clearly on the downslope of his career. Heyer reportedly works hard and tries hard - - but on Sundays he strives to be adequate. Geisinger played a couple of snaps last year and looked shell-shocked. Rhinehart could not show enough to get dressed for most games.

If those are the back-ups, start now sacrifcing goats to the football gods to prevent any OL injuries...


4. Recall that Dockery showed great improvement here in Washington last time in his "contract year". In Buffalo, he had a long-term deal and played poorly enough to get cut. If they sign him here, I'd suggest a SHORT term deal.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;530322]A couple of comments:

1. Once a player is cut/released he is a free agent and there are no tampering restrictions related to other teams contacting him and signing him. See Gibril Wilson and his deal with the Dolphins as an example...

2. Good to see that all the Warpathers who were so angry when Dockery left here to sign with the Bills have forgiven him.

3. Someone had the 2009 OL with the following people as back-ups:

Heyer, Jansen, Rhinehart and Geisinger.

That is a recipe for needing to go through all of 2009 with no injuries to the OL starters. Jansen is the ONLY player there who has shown ANY consistent abiltiy to play at the NFL level and he is clearly on the downslope of his career. Heyer reportedly works hard and tries hard - - but on Sundays he strives to be adequate. [B]Geisinger played a couple of snaps last year and looked shell-shocked. [/B] Rhinehart could not show enough to get dressed for most games.

If those are the back-ups, start now sacrifcing goats to the football gods to prevent any OL injuries...


4. Recall that Dockery showed great improvement here in Washington last time in his "contract year". In Buffalo, he had a long-term deal and played poorly enough to get cut. If they sign him here, I'd suggest a SHORT term deal.[/quote]

Like when they lined him up against Terrell Suggs? LOL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;530301]Just gonna throw this out there-Derrick Dockery at RT?[/quote]
I think he lacks the focus and foot speed to play that position. Remember he was the human false start one man away from the QB, what's he going to do out there on an island?

We'd be crazy not to make him a top priority in FA.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;530322]


4. Recall that Dockery showed great improvement here in Washington last time in his "contract year". In Buffalo, he had a long-term deal and played poorly enough to get cut.[B] If they sign him here, I'd suggest a SHORT term deal.[/B][/quote]

This is a great point. You beat me to the punch. I wouldn't sign him for longer than 3 years.

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[quote=GMScud;530327]This is a great point. You beat me to the punch. I wouldn't sign him for longer than 3 years.[/quote]Well, from a cap standpoint, it's going to be at least 5, as to prorate the signing bonus.

I'd do something like 5/25 for Dockery, max, with no more that 12 million guaranteed.

Wasn't his deal with Buffalo 7/49 with 23 guaranteed?

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[quote=GTripp0012;530328]Well, from a cap standpoint, [B]it's going to be at least 5, as to prorate the signing bonus.[/B]

I'd do something like 5/25 for Dockery, max, with no more that 12 million guaranteed.

Wasn't his deal with Buffalo 7/49 with 23 guaranteed?[/quote]

I didn't think of the prorated bonus. I suppose all this stuff is rendered moot if we go into next year with no CBA.

I'm not sure about his guaranteed money in Buffalo, but it was 7/$49M.

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Posted at 1:02 PM ET, 02/26/2009
Skins Expected to Go After Dockery
Jason Reid and Jason La Canfora report:

The Redskins have expressed interest in former Skins guard Derrick Dockery, who was released today by the Buffalo Bills, and, according to league sources, are expected to pursue him this weekend

Re: Dockery Cut:
 

[quote=Ruhskins;530311]Hey just got cut by the team that gave him a huge contract. [B]That affect his ability to ask for more money[/B]. The advantage we have is that he's been here before and did well while playing for Buges.[/quote]
this happens all the time. just look at Hall, and what he is asking for. its all about the market

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[quote=dmek25;530340]this happens all the time. just look at Hall, and what he is asking for. its all about the market[/quote]

Hall came here and played lights out for our team, this included a couple of nationally televised games where he received lots of praises. Dockery played in a poor offensive line all of last year and the Bills had to cut him after giving him a huge contract two years ago. I don't think you can compare the two.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530345]Hall came here and played lights out for our team, this included a couple of nationally televised games where he received lots of praises. [B]Dockery played in a poor offensive line all of last year and the Bills had to cut him after giving him a huge contract two years ago. I don't think you can compare the two.[/B][/quote]Uhhhh....

[quote][Hall] played [on] a poor [team] last year and the [Raiders] had to cut him after giving him a huge contract [less than a] year ago. I [absolutely] think you can compare the two.[/quote]

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[quote=Ruhskins;530323]Like when they lined him up against Terrell Suggs? LOL.[/quote]

I dont know what this dudes thinking... we put our backup center at Left Tackle against a pro-bowler with no TE help... its amazing Jason Campbell is still alive.

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Be nice to have him back cheap. He is closing in on 30 but he could play for 3 years at least, enough time to draft their replacements. If we do sign him, does that mean we shy away from possibility of getting Duke Robinson or Alex Mack in the draft and focus specifically on the Tackles? :(

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[quote=GTripp0012;530347]Uhhhh....[/quote]

Dockery did not get the chance to play for another team last year where he played well. If Hall had stayed with the Raiders and play poorly the entire year, then YES, these two situations would be the same. Hall can try to negotiate for more money due to his performance in the second half of last season here in Washington. Dockery on the other hand played poorly [U]the entire season[/U], so no, he shouldn't be able to negotiate for more money.

Re: Dockery Cut:
 

[quote=Ruhskins;530357]Dockery did not get the chance to play for another team last year where he played well. If Hall had stayed with the Raiders and play poorly the entire year, then YES, these two situations would be the same. Hall can try to negotiate for more money due to his performance in the second half of last season here in Washington. Dockery on the other hand played poorly [U]the entire season[/U], so no, he shouldn't be able to negotiate for more money.[/quote]I wouldn't say that Dockery played poorly the whole season. I wouldn't say that at all.

I would say that the Bills were expecting something totally different when they gave him a truckload of money back in 07. They wanted a lynchpin for the entire line for the next 5 years or so that would ensure they could put the ball on the ground behind the left side and be very successful when they needed to be.

What they got was Derrick Dockery. Quite predictable to Redskins fans, obviously, but that was the defining move of Marv Levy's Front Office career, and it was certainly a head scratcher.

This is NOT unlike Hall and Oakland. Oakland wanted to have an elite cornerback tandem with Asomugha and they pegged Hall as the guy who could get them to the next level.

What they got was DeAngelo Hall. Again, predictable.

Now, Hall was much better for us, as you would imagine, but he's still the same player he was in Oakland and Atlanta. There's no doubt the atmousphere is more conducive to success here than in Oakland, but that goes for everyone we sign, not just Hall.

Anyway, I think these situations are pretty comparable from a money standpoint.