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[quote=The Goat;551762]Somewhat vague link here about the FO's view of our OT situation:

[url=http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/NFC/NFC+East/Washington/WWHI/2009/wwhi042409.htm]Washington - Pro Football Weekly[/url]

Positive word that we'll be looking for legit talent in FA now. Yes I'd pay a wad for Levi Jones cuz if Samuels gets nicked up we just don't have anyone talented enough to fill in there. Jones would get paid to start at RT obviously...would he go for it? I don't know but we should try. I don't know maybe other talented vets will come available too.

...I think the FO may get serious about the o-line and that to me is the best indicator of the future :)[/quote]

I would hope if the FO was serious about the offensive line that they would look to free agency instead of the 5th, 6th, or 7th round of the draft.

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[quote=Mattyk72;549996]Except we're not giving up any picks[/quote]

Except if you believe Vinny then the signing of Williams impacted their draft strategy and was at least a partial reason for not drafting any linemen.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;551793]Except if you believe Vinny then the signing of Williams impacted their draft strategy and was at least a partial reason for not drafting any linemen.[/quote]

That seems to be the case.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;551327]Yeah, way better than Jamon Meredith in the 5th.[/quote]

Considering your screen name, I'm assuming some sarcasm here?
After just reading a little about him & seeing him constantly listed on Kiper's "best available" during the draft, I thought Meredith made a lot more sense than an inside LB project who'd only played a year at LB & would've likely been available later.

Another year where they apparently stuck to the board, for better or worse.

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[quote=The Goat;551754]Also found it curious from the article Malcolm Kelly still can't do anything. He's not been able to do all the off-season work w/ JC and develop that chemistry and timing. I would say Kelly isn't likely to contribute anything this year...he just hasn't been able to develop at all since we drafted him. And it's unsettling how there's really nothing said about when he's expected to be fully healthy...his knee sounds like it's FUBAR.

...Vinny is a lousy evaluator IMHO.[/quote]

Kelly said last week that he is rehabbing from the most recent (January) procedure on the knee and all along the target date was the June mini camp. He can run a straight line but they don't want him cutting right now. Their entire focus is on getting the muscles around the knee stronger because when he hurt it in college he rehabbed but didn't continue to strengthen (maintenance basically) which led to it giving him problems again. He is working the plan to get ready for the season, not a May minicamp. As for 'talent' he was universally considered ready to make an impact based on early showings in camp before his injury popped up.

[quote=Superman13732]Help me break down our line real quick...

Samuels (RT) Dockery (LG) Rabach (C) Thomas (RG) Williams (RT)

If samuels gets hurt and Williams doesn't pan out, we are stuck with an average center a very old right gaurd and the newly bills released LG dockery.[/quote] To assume that Williams was brought in as the presumptive starter would be a false premise. He's in on a one year vet min deal. That screams depth/camp body. The depth chart at RT is Heyer, Jansen, Williams-in that order. If Williams really makes huge strides in the next 12 weeks and can enter camp in great shape he might be a factor but there's about a 25% chance of that actually happening.

As for the rest of the line, if any team loses their pro-bowl LT they are pretty much screwed. Nobody has had a negative view on the Dockery signing and there's hope/an expectation internally that Rinehart will be able to step up to fill in if Thomas goes down. Rabach is what he is (average) but he's in the last year of his deal so his replacement is on the way (if not on the roster).

The gloom and doom around here in April(!) is pretty amazing.

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the thing about williams is if he works out, then thats great for the fo and zorn. if it doesnt well then he's cut after camp.

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[quote=Superman13732;551717][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/26/AR2009042602764.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]
That backs up the 410, want him at 370 report

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[quote=Superman13732;551721]Man, I think this guy is going to have lift weights, go on atkins and join a cross country club to drop some of that weight, damn, and i was hoping he actually got in shape over the last few years to get his back in better shape. Maybe its healed (please god?)[/quote]

weights, recumbant bike, sprints, pool work ... recovery

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[quote=Paintrain;551871]Kelly said last week that he is rehabbing from the most recent (January) procedure on the knee and all along the target date was the June mini camp. He can run a straight line but they don't want him cutting right now. Their entire focus is on getting the muscles around the knee stronger because when he hurt it in college he rehabbed but didn't continue to strengthen (maintenance basically) which led to it giving him problems again. He is working the plan to get ready for the season, not a May minicamp. As for 'talent' he was universally considered ready to make an impact based on early showings in camp before his injury popped up.

To assume that Williams was brought in as the presumptive starter would be a false premise. He's in on a one year vet min deal. That screams depth/camp body. The depth chart at RT is Heyer, Jansen, Williams-in that order. If Williams really makes huge strides in the next 12 weeks and can enter camp in great shape he might be a factor but there's about a 25% chance of that actually happening.

As for the rest of the line, if any team loses their pro-bowl LT they are pretty much screwed. Nobody has had a negative view on the Dockery signing and there's hope/an expectation internally that Rinehart will be able to step up to fill in if Thomas goes down. Rabach is what he is (average) but he's in the last year of his deal so his replacement is on the way (if not on the roster).

[B]The gloom and doom around here in April(!) is pretty amazing.[/B][/quote]

It seems to me to be an evolution of the fan base & a growing resentment towards the way the team operates. I know there are some mods on this site that have a better idea, or could crunch some comparisons of past April/post draft threads, but it seems to me that most post draft threads in the past were positive until maybe last year.

I remember so much hope on this site for guys like Molinaro, McCune & Broughton. I don't see that as much now for Glenn, Henson, Mitchell et al.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;551764]Cardio's always quicker short term. He should do both each day though, but to lose weight before the season starts, it needs to be through cardio. Hopefully in the meantime he'll build enough muscle to help him keep it off long term.[/quote]
It doesn't have to be a competition between lifting and cardio. Anaerobic exercise raises the metabolism higher and extends the length of the boost to the basal metabolic rate. So you do both, you don't want to lose strength by going only cardio. So much more to it but that's the cliff's notes version.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;551871]Kelly said last week that he is rehabbing from the most recent (January) procedure on the knee and all along the target date was the June mini camp. He can run a straight line but they don't want him cutting right now. Their entire focus is on getting the muscles around the knee stronger because when he hurt it in college he rehabbed but didn't continue to strengthen (maintenance basically) which led to it giving him problems again. He is working the plan to get ready for the season, not a May minicamp. As for 'talent' he was universally considered ready to make an impact based on early showings in camp before his injury popped up.

Kelly has a degenerative knee condition. According to one doctor who looked at him last year he has the knees of an 80 year old man. The injury he suffered in college was a result of that condition. Sad thing is this was popular knowledge before we drafted him.

As for the O-line, you made a valid point about Williams being third string at best, i was reaching for optimism (admittingly a little too far). The left side of our line is solid if Dockery can revert to his pre-Bills Redskins days. But that still leaves us with the right side of the line... Jansen? does anyone here honestly have faith in him? Same goes for Thomas. They are old and frail, how much does that say for Their backups? They can't beat out these frail old men for the starting jobs?

How do we redeem this line? One name. Levi Jones. Not an outstanding player, but far better than whatever we have though. I do see a major problem in this though. No. 1 he has not been released yet, and if the Bengals O-line was as bad as everyone says it was last year, how are they going to release him, and No. 2, if they do in fact release him, what does that say about HIM, he can't keep a job on a lousy team? (and dont give me the "well they drafted Smith with the 6th pick, they don't need Jones anymore" if he is so good, and the bengals line is so bad, they can MOVE HIM AROUND). With that said, where does that leave us? Say goodbye to some more draft picks from next years draft. We had a chance to get some value with the fifth round, Robinson and.... M-something, they were both great value in the fifth round. I'm just not seeing the wisdom here. Standard Dan and Vinny logic.

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[quote=Superman13732;552150][QUOTE=Paintrain;551871]Kelly said last week that he is rehabbing from the most recent (January) procedure on the knee and all along the target date was the June mini camp. He can run a straight line but they don't want him cutting right now. Their entire focus is on getting the muscles around the knee stronger because when he hurt it in college he rehabbed but didn't continue to strengthen (maintenance basically) which led to it giving him problems again. He is working the plan to get ready for the season, not a May minicamp. As for 'talent' he was universally considered ready to make an impact based on early showings in camp before his injury popped up.

Kelly has a degenerative knee condition. According to one doctor who looked at him last year he has the knees of an 80 year old man. The injury he suffered in college was a result of that condition. Sad thing is this was popular knowledge before we drafted him.

As for the O-line, you made a valid point about Williams being third string at best, i was reaching for optimism (admittingly a little too far). The left side of our line is solid if Dockery can revert to his pre-Bills Redskins days. But that still leaves us with the right side of the line... Jansen? does anyone here honestly have faith in him? Same goes for Thomas. They are old and frail, how much does that say for Their backups? They can't beat out these frail old men for the starting jobs?

How do we redeem this line? One name. Levi Jones. Not an outstanding player, but far better than whatever we have though. I do see a major problem in this though. No. 1 he has not been released yet, and if the Bengals O-line was as bad as everyone says it was last year, how are they going to release him, and No. 2, if they do in fact release him, what does that say about HIM, he can't keep a job on a lousy team? (and dont give me the "well they drafted Smith with the 6th pick, they don't need Jones anymore" if he is so good, and the bengals line is so bad, they can MOVE HIM AROUND). With that said, where does that leave us? Say goodbye to some more draft picks from next years draft. [B][B][B]We had a chance to get some value with the fifth round, Robinson and.... M-something, they were both great value in the fifth round. I'm just not seeing the wisdom here.[/B][/B][/B] Standard Dan and Vinny logic.[/quote]

I and others have given wisdom on this in numerous threads. If these guys are not as good as the guys we already have then what is the purpose of getting them? Don't forget, we dont have a shortage of Olinemen just a shortage of quality (can be debated). If our coaches (Buges included) did not see anyone that he would want over Clark, Rinehart, Heyer, or even Williams then there is no point in drafting them. I'm more excited about the undrafted C from MD Williams. My friends who work for CSN covering the Terps swear that this guy will not disappoint. I just don't know what more you're looking for.

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We need a new CB because Williams mistook Carlos Rogers for his sandwich and swallowed Rogers whole today.

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[quote=Lotus;552156]We need a new CB because Williams mistook Carlos Rogers for his sandwich and swallowed Rogers whole today.[/quote]

:laughing2 Will you be in the house all week?

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[quote=cobracai1;552151][quote=Superman13732;552150]

I and others have given wisdom on this in numerous threads. [B]If these guys are not as good as the guys we already have then what is the purpose of getting them?[/B] Don't forget, we dont have a shortage of Olinemen just a shortage of quality (can be debated). If our coaches (Buges included) did not see anyone that he would want over Clark, Rinehart, Heyer, or even Williams then there is no point in drafting them. I'm more excited about the undrafted C from MD Williams. My friends who work for CSN covering the Terps swear that this guy will not disappoint. I just don't know what more you're looking for.[/quote]

You honestly think that Dan and Vinny are in their right mind? A few examples of why they are NOT, Adam Archuletta, we made him the highest paid Safety in the league. He started/played in how many games for us? T.J. Ducket, Jason Taylor, the list goes on and on. And, did anyone see what Zorn said about the draft? Apparently the reason we drafted 4 defensive players first in this draft is because we drafted 4 offensive player first last year. Great logic? Please, sir, our FO ranks towards the bottom when it comes to brains.