Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

After watching the game over and analyzing the game...I found Kelly to be open quite a bit. Why he is not breaking out is a complex issue. Either JC is locked on to one reciever (mostly Moss) or the o-line just broke down. The main time that sticks in my mind is the JC interception to Moss. Kelly was open down the center of the field for a TD!!! No confidence and lack of time is why I think Kelly is due soon! As for DT I have no answer...He does not look very good!

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=The Goat;603134]This is a question that doesn't need endless pages of debate to answer. Look around the league and you see a shit ton of ROOKIE WRs making really significant contributions to their football team. Minn, NY, Philly all have very young guys - like 1st or 2nd year - making big plays, and I'm sure there are ample more I just don't follow enough teams to point everyone out.[/quote]


In a season so far that very few things have gone right, what makes you think these rooks will step in to the limelight. Most of those other situations they have something else going for them and they step up and compliment them. Key word [U][B]COMPLIMENT[/B][/U] ! They are not doing it alone. Where as here they will have to do it basiclly alone as JC has not completely clicked yet! If things ever start to click I hope to see the young pups step there game up! But it won't happen till play calling sync with players execution.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

A list of well-known wide receivers who didn't top 1000 yards until their third year, or later:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/santanamoss/careerstats?id=MOS717844]Santana Moss[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/stevesmith/careerstats?id=SMI733120]Steve Smith[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/donalddriver/careerstats?id=DRI611685]Donald Driver[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/careerstats?id=OWE755129]Terrell Owens[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickmason/careerstats?id=MAS078652]Derrick Mason[/url]

Of course there are the freaks who immediately produce, but if that's what you demand, then you are asking too much. Give our young WRs at least 1 more year before you are ready to kick them to the curb. Impatience is what drives our endless cycle of FA acquisitions, draft neglect, and ultimately our continued mediocrity. Chill out fools!

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

I was at the game and some of Kelly and Thomas not getting the ball is on JC's bad reads. On the last interception he threw, he had Kelly in the slot on the left and he BLEW past his guy and was wide but JC was locked on Moss and made an awful decision.

I like JC, but his inability to read the field is killing us.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;603280]After watching the game over and analyzing the game...I found Kelly to be open quite a bit. Why he is not breaking out is a complex issue. Either JC is locked on to one reciever (mostly Moss) or the o-line just broke down. The main time that sticks in my mind is the JC interception to Moss. Kelly was open down the center of the field for a TD!!! No confidence and lack of time is why I think Kelly is due soon! As for DT I have no answer...He does not look very good![/quote]

Rodgers oline broke down and he found every receiver on the roster.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;603321]I was at the game and some of Kelly and Thomas not getting the ball is on JC's bad reads. On the last interception he threw, he had Kelly in the slot on the left and he BLEW past his guy and was wide but JC was locked on Moss and made an awful decision.

I like JC, but his inability to read the field is killing us.[/quote]

Ditto. Watched the game from the end zone viewpoint and me and the other 20 people I was watching the game with could see guys being missed all day long. There were WRs in single coverage all over the place, but Campbell wasn't going to them. Instead, he was forcing the ball into double coverage or going to the route that was 5-15 yards in the middle of the field. Even when passes were completed, the receivers had nowhere to go, because there were 2-4 Defenders in their vicinity.

And the separation argument is a joke. It assumes every Defense plays us man to man every play of the game. Watch other teams and you'll see receivers running to spots in the zone defense and the ball getting there at the same time.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=redsk1;603336]Rodgers oline broke down and he found every receiver on the roster.[/quote]

The packers wr corp is a lot better than our and their o-line is too

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602896]Yeah its called bad evaluations by our FO. We knew what the rap was on Thomas and Kelly before they got here.

Kelly was slow

Thomas was not that experienced.

This analysis is proving true and rearing its ugly head.

But what makes you think Marko would fail. He has nothing to lose. He is the hungriest out the bunch. I heard him say in a interview that he iwill not be content at jsut making the team. He wants to move up the depth chart. I like that!! Shows heart and determination and swagger and he was the recevier that gained the most respect this offseason. Ask Carlos Rogers..ask D Hall. ask CP!! These are players not fans like us. They saw him on the field everyday. He attacked not just went through the motions. But all in all we will never know unless Zorn gives him a chance. I hope he does in the next few weeks.[/quote]


Everybody in his position says that, if he was that good he would have been on the field a few times already. I am not so sure that those comments from Portis weren't made in jest to poke fun at Carlos Rogers. If he (Mitchell) is really that good he will get a shot sooner or later. Based on everything else that I have seen though, I do not believe that he would fair better than Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=redsk1;603336]Rodgers oline broke down and he found every receiver on the roster.[/quote]He also did it in what some would call "garbage time", which is useful for discrediting the accomplishments of players you don't like.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;603370]He also did it in what some would call "garbage time", which is useful for discrediting the accomplishments of players you don't like.[/quote]

Ah yes the garbage time, I guess Phillip Rivers is guilty of garbage time TDs.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;603388]Ah yes the garbage time, I guess Phillip Rivers is guilty of garbage time TDs.[/quote]He should be cut immediately.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;603167]I'm sorry, but a combined 10 receptions for 82 yards for 3X 2nd round picks is unacceptable. Thomas has a whopping reception, big Fred 3 and Malcom 6. Time to go back to the drawing board like the defense did this week and get these guys more involved.[/quote]

I agree. It's totally 100% unaccepatable. JC needs to start looking more for these guys but they also need to get open more. I'm not saying we need to change QB's but it would be interesting to see if the offense would run smoother if Collins was in there for a series or two.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=Angry;603368]Everybody in his position says that, if he was that good he would have been on the field a few times already. I am not so sure that those comments from Portis weren't made in jest to poke fun at Carlos Rogers. If he (Mitchell) is really that good he will get a shot sooner or later. Based on everything else that I have seen though, I do not believe that he would fair better than Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas.[/quote]

They say its more of less him learning the plays. Not talent. He was more of a deep threat at Nevada. Saying that why can't we use him in certain situations liek endzone or being a deep threat?

Also some one is saying that we are expecting them to be 1,000 yard receivers. I dont think that is the case. We just want them to make "some" plays. Right now they are making none. Kelly will improve when he learns to use his size to shield/post up defenders and make himself a more viable and safe target.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=redsk1;603336]Rodgers oline broke down and he found every receiver on the roster.[/quote]
The Packers offensive line looked worse than the Redskins. Rodgers was getting pressure from the outside and up the middle. When he did get time, he did a great job of spreading the ball around, but their offensive line sucks or the Vikings defensive line is the best in the league. Rodgers looked like Campbell on a few plays, holding on the ball too long, taking unnecessary sacks and fumbling the ball on contact. I guess even the good quarterbacks fumble the ball and throw interceptions when pressured. According to this site, only Jason Campbell makes mistakes when he is under fire.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=hail_2_da_skins;603441]The Packers offensive line looked worse than the Redskins. Rodgers was getting pressure from the outside and up the middle. When he did get time, he did a great job of spreading the ball around, but their offensive line sucks or the Vikings defensive line is the best in the league. Rodgers looked like Campbell on a few plays, holding on the ball too long, taking unnecessary sacks and fumbling the ball on contact. I guess even the good quarterbacks fumble the ball and throw interceptions when pressured. According to this site, only Jason Campbell makes mistakes when he is under fire.[/quote]

I totally agree and yes the Vikings d-line (similar to the Giants) and defense as a whole is that good. Good QBs make mistakes also. If some people can remember when we played the Giants. Manning had a similar line to JC's. He had a fumble and a int in that game also. In the game against KC he had a fumble also. Dont know about the rest of his line in that game. But even good QBs on undefeated teams make mistakes.

Do some recall what happened when Coughlin got to New York. How people were saying the same things about Eli Manning as they were about Campbell (difference is Eli had more years under his belt -- allowed to make mistakes and grown-- and so did his brother for that matter). How they started off rough. Can anyone tell me what happened after that? Not saying that JC is Eli or we are the Giants. But there are alot of similarities. The difference is between our FO and theirs. They stuck with Eli. Instead of embarassing him by trying to get other QBs in the offseason one after another. The difference in their FO and ours is they have balls. The fans might have been angry. But if they had caved in they would have never went to the Superbowl. People want to carve JC up and tear him down as much as they can. What other QB in this league has gone through what JC has as far as instabilty? He might not be perfect but he is not horrible. We can break down game tape or whatever. But maybe we just need to believe in him instead of being overly critical. Maybe that will help him get over the hump. But some people are too spoiled and unrealitisc. He is still growing as a QB. What if NY had given up on Eli and you know he was getting it from the fans as much as JC was. But the FO believed in him. Nobody believes in JC but his teammates and coaches. The fans that used to support him are falling off too. But in the end. I root for the underdog. He has been nothing but a model player and a good example to children and other people. He could have easily been a little whiny diva of a player. He may not be the best. But he is the best we got. IF he got more support maybe he would do better because he would be under less pressure and when you believe in people they can excel far beyond your expectations. Okay I am off my soap box now..lol