Re: Colt Brennan vs Rookie class
 

[quote=Ruhskins;663646]Well I guess you're glad of this because weren't you the one that early in the season wanted the Redskins to lose so we can have a top 5 pick? If memory serves me right, I used to call you a Cowboys fan.[/quote]

Well yeah, because once we lost to the winless detroit lions, winless KC chiefs, to name a few, I knew that we would suck and theres no point of ruining seasons of good teams such as the saints, eagles, to name a few, just for us to have a higher draft pick and be stuck with a worse pick. Wouldn't you agree that we're in a good spot in this draft to get pretty much who ever we want? I would. And the only games I wanted us to win were against Dallas, so again for the 100th time, I'm not a Dallas Fan. If you go back to the minnesota dallas game thread you'll see that I was very excited to see them lose.


Now, for the 3rd time. Back to Brennan who deserves a shot with the starters and not the 3 stringers.

Re: Colt Brennan vs Rookie class
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;663648]Anyway Brennan deserves a shot just like how Campbell and Collins both got shots last year to be a starting QB, and by a shot I mean he gets to play with the starters and not 2nd/3rd Stringers.[/quote]

Why? Why should Shanahan give the 3rd string/low round project QB picked up by the previous coach a chance? Like I said, at best Brennan is a backup, in reality he'll probably be gone come training camp.

Re: Colt Brennan vs Rookie class
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;663655]Well yeah, because once we lost to the winless detroit lions, winless KC chiefs, to name a few, I knew that we would suck and theres no point of ruining seasons of good teams such as the saints, eagles, to name a few, just for us to have a higher draft pick and be stuck with a worse pick. Wouldn't you agree that we're in a good spot in this draft to get pretty much who ever we want? I would. And the only games I wanted us to win were against Dallas, so again for the 100th time, I'm not a Dallas Fan. If you go back to the minnesota dallas game thread you'll see that I was very excited to see them lose.


Now, for the 3rd time. Back to Brennan who deserves a shot with the starters and not the 3 stringers.[/quote]

I was right, you are the Cowboys fan. Thanks for reminding me. Now the whole "let's re-build the offensive line with old FAs and UFAs" makes sense.

Re: Colt Brennan vs Rookie class
 

I dont think colt will stick on the roster come roster trimming time but i would like to see him start 1 pre season game with the starters.

i dont think colt will turn out to be anything but i would like to see the man get one half of football with the starters.

its just hard to get a feel for colt, at least for me. i dont think you can dismiss him as a 2nd or 3rd string qb just yet. this preseason will shed light on alot of things.

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I think that this thread was the official start of the offseason. Thread Quality is all downhill from here.

For the record I like Colt and want to see him succeed but realistically it isn't going to happen here. It might not even happen at all.

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[quote=Ruhskins;663657]I was right, you are the Cowboys fan. Thanks for reminding me. Now the whole "let's re-build the offensive line with old FAs and UFAs" makes sense.[/quote]

Real mature

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[quote=celts32;663603]Your Bradford analysis is off base. Bradford is 6-4 with well above average release and arm strength. There are questions about his transition to a pro style offense, but he has the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB which is why he will be drafted in the top 10 in April. To toss him in a barrel with Colt Brennan who was barely even drafted is not even close to acurate.[/quote]

Bradford is taller, I'll concede that, but his arm is not that strong and he's coming off season ending shoulder surgery.

I went back and read multiple scouting reports on Bradford and the best I could find on his arm was "adequate" or "slightly above average", with other reports listing him as below average arm strength.

OK, so I'll give you he's a light year ahead of Brennan, but he played out of the shotgun in a spread offense and based on the tape I saw, is not an elite QB, and to waste a 4th on a project is not worth the investment in my opinion. Could he become a middling quality player (kind of like Campbell), probably, but I don't believe, after watching many of his games, that he will ever be elite. If you are going to spend a top ten pick on a QB, he better be elite.

We have a middle of the road QB...better to built the rest of the line up, take a shot on a 3rd rounder to compete with JC, and see what is available (IF THEY ARE EVEN PLAYING FOOTBALL IN 2012), the following year.

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What I want to know is this...why do you all hate Richard Bartel so much?

Re: Colt Brennan vs Rookie class
 

[quote=SmootSmack;663677]What I want to know is this...why do you all hate Richard Bartel so much?[/quote]

because andre woodson is wayyyy better

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How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?

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I'm thinking as bad as this past year was...it would have been worse if Colt was healthy...

the in-fighting between factions would have been unbearable...especially when a change to Colt would not have done anything but get him destroyed behind that awful line

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[quote=over the mountain;663658]I dont think colt will stick on the roster come roster trimming time but i would like to see him start 1 pre season game with the starters.

i dont think colt will turn out to be anything but i would like to see the man get one half of football with the starters.

its just hard to get a feel for colt, at least for me. i dont think you can dismiss him as a 2nd or 3rd string qb just yet. this preseason will shed light on alot of things.[/quote]

I'm not what you would call the ultimate Colt Brennan fan but I would like to see him have more of an opportunity with front line players. Many seem to have already made up their minds about him, but I haven't seen enough of him in the pre-season games to make an unbiased opinion. In the two seasons he's been here I've seen approximately three quarters (if that much) of him and all of that was with back-ups. That's not enough for me to make any kind of decision about him.

I'm glad that detail will go to the coaches to decide.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;663683]How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?[/quote]
Great way to frame the question. That really is what the OP would have to ask. CB, even with 2 preseasons, would not be on either of these two qb's level. And I agree with Over The Mountains assessment that he will not be on our roster after preseason.

Re: Colt Brennan vs Rookie class
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;663692]Great way to frame the question. That really is what the OP would have to ask. CB, even with 2 preseasons, would not be on either of these two qb's level. And I agree with Over The Mountains assessment that he will not be on our roster after preseason.[/quote]

I'm hard pressed to understand how he's remained on the roster for the last two years. If he can't play he shouldn't be on the roster, he should have gone the way of Jordan Palmer.

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[quote=Longtimefan;663693]I'm hard pressed to understand how he's remained on the roster for the last two years. If he can't play he shouldn't be on the roster, he should have gone the way of Jordan Palmer.[/quote]
I think it's fair to say, in hindsight, that the last two years were not the best planned or best implemented seasons.