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[quote=GTripp0012;779492]Someone should give me a reason to really, really love Andy Dalton. I never watched the TCU offense with great confidence in the past couple of years, despite all the winning and all the weapons. Dalton has played horrible over certain stretches (first 33 minutes of the SMU game this year, for example). At the end of the day though, I can't really argue against Andy Dalton's accomplishments, and the scouts seem to think he's a real legit mid round pick.

I just wish there was a single thing about Dalton that suggested he was a pro prospect. When you are a mountain west QB who does everything well, and nothing great, that means you become an NFL third stringer. What am I missing on Dalton that would justify a day two pick on him?[/quote]

I've been thinking the same. I hear/see a lot of people singing Dalton's praises and hoping to get him, but I'm just not seeing why. I'm not for a moment suggesting he won't become a star, I just am not seeing what it is that has everyone so high on him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779486]I like Christian Ponder a lot, but I think if I had my choice of him or Pat Devlin in round two, I'd take Devlin. I don't think there is a more accurate passer in this class than Devlin.

He's going to need work in under center formations because Delaware runs their pro style sets out of a pistol-like shotgun. But Flacco ran the same formations in the same offense, and he started on day one for the Ravens (thanks, tonsillitis!).

Devlin is more pro ready than Flacco was, is more accurate, and makes quicker decisions. On the down side, he's really not a great passer when flushed from the pocket by pressure. I was really impressed, instead, by his ability to stand in and deliver accurately with no space to step.

I think I'd value both Devlin and Ponder as late first rounders. Ponder throws the better deep ball of the two...at least evidenced in 2009, when his elbow wasn't an issue.[/quote]

Devlin's been brutal this week at Shrine practice. Or so I have heard

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[quote=Terpfan76;779499]I've been thinking the same. I hear/see a lot of people singing Dalton's praises and hoping to get him, but I'm just not seeing why. I'm not for a moment suggesting he won't become a star, I just am not seeing what it is that has everyone so high on him.[/quote]Thing is, Dalton has really, really spectacular numbers, I'm just struggling to find a NFL quality skill. He couldn't have gotten those numbers by accident/being in the right place at the right time, but he also would never have been considered a NFL type guy before this year.

I suppose you just don't know. He'll just have to be someone I keep an eye on at the combine. Could be a steal, could be a wasted pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;779502]Devlin's been brutal this week at Shrine practice. Or so I have heard[/quote][URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14568368/nc-dt-austin-delaware-qb-devlin-shine-at-shrine-practice"]DT Austin, QB Devlin impress at Shrine practice - NFL - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL]

Which is not to say I would value Reuter's info any more than yours. I wouldn't.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779504][URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14568368/nc-dt-austin-delaware-qb-devlin-shine-at-shrine-practice"]DT Austin, QB Devlin impress at Shrine practice - NFL - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL]

Which is not to say I would value Reuter's info any more than yours. I wouldn't.[/quote]

Without being there myself I can't say for sure

[url=http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/1/19/1943789/2011-east-west-shrine-game-pat-devlin-getting-mixed-reviews]2011 East-West Shrine Game: Pat Devlin Getting Mixed Reviews - Buffalo Rumblings[/url]

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Do any of you guys honestly think we'll go Quarterback in round 2? If one will be taken, it will be one that Shanahan is confident with and go #10 overall.

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Right now, this would be a decent draft in my opinion based on pre-combine info:

1. Quinn or Miller
2. R. Hudson or Locker if available.
5. Ben Ijalana (g) Villanova
5. Pernell McPhee (de) Miss St.
6. Eric Hagg (cb/s) Nebraska. possibly Darel Scott (rb) UMD.
7. M. Mustain (qb) USC or D. Scott and sign Mustain as a free agent or vice versa.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779504][URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14568368/nc-dt-austin-delaware-qb-devlin-shine-at-shrine-practice"]DT Austin, QB Devlin impress at Shrine practice - NFL - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL]

Which is not to say I would value Reuter's info any more than yours. I wouldn't.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack]Without being there myself I can't say for sure[URL=http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/1/19/1943789/2011-east-west-shrine-game-pat-devlin-getting-mixed-reviews]
2011 East-West Shrine Game: Pat Devlin Getting Mixed Reviews - Buffalo Rumblings[/URL][/quote]

This is why we love and hate this time of year. For every 'scout' who loves a player, there's another one who hates them.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;779300]I feel that we'll probably fill a few holes in FA which could change my outlook on a Dream Draft.

[B]To be honest, I don't think I like any player in this draft that we might get at #10 enough to draft him there. So, my ideal draft would include trading down, perhaps with Miami, if they would like to move up to take a QB they like.[/B]Maybe we could still get Von Miller (LOLB) at #15 and Stephan Wisniewski (C/G) in Round 2. Plus we could possibly get a 3rd Round pick in the hypothetical trade with Miami.[/quote]

Trading down would be absolutely ideal, we need help at a lot of different positions and i am not enamored w/ anyone that will be available at #10. Trade down to get more picks and draft as many players as possible at the T, G, DE, OLB, FS/DB (depending on what we do with Rogers and where Barnes starts next season) positions.

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Man people just say trade down like it's that easy to do. The scenario was if we didn't make any moves what is your ideal 2 round draft.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;779560]Man people just say trade down like it's that easy to do. The scenario was if we didn't make any moves what is your ideal 2 round draft.[/quote]

1. Locker.
2. Wisniewski.

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OL: Stefen Wisniewski (Penn State) or Derek Sherrod (Miss State) whichever is available in Round 1. If both are available, take Wisniewski.


DL: Jerrell Powe (Mississippi) or Adrian Clayborn (Iowa) whichever is available in Round 2. If both are available, take Powe.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;779617]OL: Stefen Wisniewski (Penn State) or Derek Sherrod (Miss State) whichever is available in Round 1. If both are available, take Wisniewski.


DL: Jerrell Powe (Mississippi) or Adrian Clayborn (Iowa) whichever is available in Round 2. If both are available, take Powe.[/quote]

I've heard Wisniewski's name mentioned a lot but is he being scouted as a 1st round value right now? I thought most people waited until the middle of the draft to take interior linement. Tackles were generally in the first two rounds.

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1st pick: Von Miller LB/ Texas A&M= 6-2 243 4.56 40 time very good tackler and hard hitter with the speed to drop in coverage(they have to get him)2nd pick:Christian Ponder QB/Florida State=6-2 227 4.68 40 time,accurate arm and stronger arm than most realize,accurate out of the pocket,more pro ready than Locker. 3rd pick:(if they can muster somehow by trading Haynesworthless)the best 3-4 DT available.4th pick:Austin Pettis WR/Boise State 6-3 201 4.59 40 time underated WR ,good physical receiver,was the go too guy on 3rd and longs several times this year(exactly what the Redskins need)5th,6th,7th pick:Robert Sands S/WVU 6-5 221 4.7 40 time Hard hitter,good hands,ball hawk type safety .(tagged the hardest hitting DB in the big east) Ryan Bartholomew C/Syracuse 6-1 300 4.95 40 time athletic ,strong Ollie Ogbu DT/Penn State 6-1 298 5.09 40 time dont know anything about him just loved the name

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I'm feeling conservative today so here's my draft

1st Round - Von Miller - LB - Texas A&M - Guy can do everything. Rush the passer, cover, and stop the run. He's a perfect fit for our defense. Ironically his coverage skills are his main selling point for me.

2nd Round - Rodney Hudson - C - Florida State - This guy is not only a perfect fit for our zone scheme but he also has the potential to easily be a top 5 center in two or three years along with Mangold, Kalil, Mack, and Brown.

3rd Round - Christian Ponder - QB - Florida State - This pick would be acquired through some combination of trading our 5th round picks, Haynesworth and/or McNabb. However I firmly believe that Ponder will last till late in the third round, especially if Dalton established himself at the top of the third tier. Anyway Ponder is mobile, accurate when healthy, and is a great leader. I think I remember hearing somewhere that he graduated from college in 2.5 years. He also has experience in a pro style system. I must admit I don't have a ton of faith in a third round QB but Ponder does seem like a decent risk. Plus for whatever reason the ACC does a good job producing QB's (Schuab, Vick, Rivers, Ryan)