Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Monkeydad;829339]According to Mike and Mike this morning, Vick owes $19 million from his bankruptcy.

40% of his earnings over $10 million automatically go to creditors. He owes $6 million to the Falcons too. IF he plays 5 years, he'll have his debts related to the bankruptcy paid off.

Of the $100 million, only $40 million is guaranteed. Cut that in half after taxes. $20 million earned...$19 million owed and will be paid by court order...haha.

He BETTER stay healthy for his sake, or he'll be in the poor house, or back in prison for not repaying debts.



He's dug his own financial grave. No sympathy. Atlanta gave him a $120 million contract and he had to file bankruptcy?

Instead of "celebrating a redemption story", I'm not going to be naive enough to think someone who (not a complete list I'm sure), was stopped in an airport for drugs, flipped off fans in the stands, murdered living creatures in an illegal gambling ring and apparently doesn't pay his debts is suddenly an upstanding citizen who suddenly has no blemishes in his personality and lifestyle after sitting in jail. You can bet he still has contact with his old circle of friends and followers and has temptations to slip back into his old lifestyle. What will having income again do to him? Sure, he's doing the mandated speaking tours on being nice to animals and having his agents and consultants write some noble sounding lines to spew in front of the cameras, but we can not seriously expect someone tied up in so many degenerate activities and with such a polarizing personality to suddenly do a complete 180. He may not be running or even showing up to dogfights, but who knows...is he having his friends just send him i-Phone videos so he can watch? Is he texting his bets in now, while appearing to be at a safe distance from the South's dogfights up here in PA? I'm not accusing him without basis, just wondering if he's honestly gone from a drug-using, animal-killing thug to a saint in a few short years. I'd like to believe he's a better person, but none of us know his personal life...just the PR side that the Eagles, media and the NFL want us to see.

We'll see if he can behave for the rest of his life. If he does, I'll be the first to praise him. However, I'm just not ready to celebrate and congratulate someone who did so much wrong while other players like Drew Brees and even lesser-noticed players like Lorenzo Alexander are genuinely good people doing great things in their community WITHOUT being forced by courts to do so, go generally unspoken about. Instead of fabricating some great "redemption story" about someone we want to be a role model but has been the polar opposite in every way, why don't we talk about and reward those who do what's right on their first try?[/quote]

If I'm correct if he owes 19 mil then he did not go bankrupt because if he did he would not owe all that money.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

people are entitled to hate vick for what he did, regardless of whether he did his time or seems to have gotten his life back together. people have a right to have an opinion one way or the other.

i dont see how someone who hates vick for killing dogs means they value a dogs life more than a humans. i hate vick for what he did, id boo and curse him given the chance. i think vick did enough time in jail, the sentence was fair imo, doesnt mean i cant hate the guy for what he did. doesnt mean vick will care one iota for how some skins fan or anyone feels about him. besides, he knowingly gives girls herpes, not cool either.

im pretty sure i stopped posting on here for awhile in a vick discussion a year or so ago b/c of peoples reactions on this subject.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=freddyg12;829343]He's back w/Nike though & even if his agent his half assed at getting deals for him, he'll make some good money w/endorsements. He'll never be that big time Q rating guy like Jordan, but he should be able to set himself up pretty well.[/quote]

I'm absolutley shocked that Nike would sign him. There's a heck of a lot more dog lovers out there than Eagles fans. I cant see how this doesnt hurt a company like Nike more than help them.

Unless of course Vick's deal with Nike is a Jersey Shore Abercrombie and Fitch thing were the sponsor is paying Vick NOT to wear their logos!

It's one thing for him to get minor local endorsement deals in the Philly area (Philly fans would most likely root for Osama bin Laden if he could have a 110 QB rating for them) its quite another for a convicted dog killer to get a national sponsorship deal.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

It won't last the whole season, but the eagles may win some early games because the officials may be giving them the jordanlike calls- because of the whole dream team thing. The game against the browns, they were given two calls from the refs that went their way. An off. pass interference penalty in favor of asomugha that nullified a big pass play. And another on a roughing the qb penalty that nullified vicks interception.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Giantone;829279]You really don'r understand the difference between hunting and
and "farming" to torture and murder, that's pretty ignorant.He's a "DOG KILLER" .....not a hunter ,and not a farmer.[/quote] Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.

[QUOTE=Landry44;829513]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/QUOTE]

This. I don't like him but he paid his debt to society. glad that he's taken advantage of his second opportunity.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Landry44;829513]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/quote]

Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;829576]Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.[/QUOTE]

London Fletcher is a great guy and should be praised as such. That said Vick and Plax both did more than just get thier jobs back. They were able to reenter society and act as proper citizens, so far at least.

Both are paying taxes and contributing in a positive manner. I can't excuse Vick's cruelty or Plax's stupidity, but both could have had their lives take a much different direction after jail.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Monkeydad;829576]Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.[/quote]

Last time I checked cows, sheep, pigs and chickens are domesticated animals so farmers do kill domesticated animals. They arent pets but they are domesticated animals.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Landry44;829513]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. [B]It really matter why or how they were killed.[/B][/quote]

Well, since everything eventually dies, it really doesn't matter how it happens does it?

Yes - how and why living things are killed does matter. Brutal torture of animals or humans is wrong.

[quote=Landry44;829513]The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/quote]

He has a right to move on with his life and no one is preventing him from doing so - hence the $100 Million. As I have said, merely "serving your time" is the beginning of redemption, not its end. I am slowly (very slowly) coming around to the belief that he may have actually changed. If he continues his good works and continues to say and do the right things after football goes away, I will believe it. Until then, the question will always remain (to me anyway) - Is he truly sorry? Or is he just saying the right things so he can keep playing ball? Having someone like Dungy in his corner counts a long way for me.

But, whatever, he plays for the Eagles so I don't need to justify or parse my hatred of him.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=over the mountain;829388]people are entitled to hate vick for what he did, regardless of whether he did his time or seems to have gotten his life back together. people have a right to have an opinion one way or the other.

i dont see how someone who hates vick for killing dogs means they value a dogs life more than a humans. i hate vick for what he did, id boo and curse him given the chance. i think vick did enough time in jail, the sentence was fair imo, doesnt mean i cant hate the guy for what he did. doesnt mean vick will care one iota for how some skins fan or anyone feels about him. besides, he knowingly gives girls herpes, not cool either.

im pretty sure i stopped posting on here for awhile in a vick discussion a year or so ago b/c of peoples reactions on this subject.[/quote]

Pretty much agree with most everything here.

The whole "valuing dogs over humans" argument is just BS. The value is reflected in the punishment. If Vick had done to humans what he had done to dogs, we would not be discussing his $100 Million contract. We would be discussing whether or not he should die.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Monkeydad;829576]Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

[B]He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. [/B] Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.[/quote]

In fairness, Vick has done more than just "return to work". He has spoken on the topic, worked with the SPCA, sought advice from people like Tony Dungy. I'll give credit where credit is due - he certainly seems to be working towards redemption. I, as you, just don't think his "redemption" really been tested yet. It easy to "do the right thing" when the world is all rosy for you, let's see what happens Vick is no longer in the limelight.

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

Ahhh yes if we could all just be like Tony Dungy. What if all athletes were like Kenny Powers??

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;829637]Ahhh yes if we could all just be like Tony Dungy. What if all athletes were like Kenny Powers??[/quote]

Let Kenny Powers Live

Re: Mike Vick & Eagles agree 6yrs/$100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed
 

[quote=Landry44;829513][B]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies[/B]. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/quote]

All the hunters I know respect the animals they hunt and make sure the meat goes to good use. You do understand that there are other animals people can eat besides cows, chickens, and pigs. you don't have to get your meat from a market.They also donate the meat.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Monday marked the beginning of firearm deer season in Pennsylvania and hunters have been out in full force.
The Game Commission estimates around 750,000 hunters were in the woods on the first day.
This year, many hunters will be sharing the wealth with local food banks.
The program is called “[URL="http://sharedeer.org/"][COLOR=#266ec4]Hunters Sharing the Harvest[/COLOR][/URL]” and it is the oldest and most successful program of its type in the U.S. Many hunters embrace the program and the opportunity to help the community.