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[quote=Mattyk;873093]Easy for us to say.[/quote]

true, but we aren't the ones who will be missing out on millions of dollars either.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;876650]I am sure it has already been talked about, but the Browns a expected to move up to take RG3[/quote]

As are the Redskins, as are the Dolphins (which is the team I think will actually get him)

And, as crazy as this sounds, I've heard yet again that the Broncos are looking to make a serious move for RG 3

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No shock for Denver they were rumored to be in the Cam Newton mix last year

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[quote=JoeRedskin;872692]What valuable rookies? Who did we forego by signing LJ, Parker and Kemoetu? They were cheap bottom feeders. Given who was cut and who wasn't in 2009, I am not convinced they had any impact on this team's development at all. The only player I remember being of value was a A. Bryant who is still with the Eagles as 4-3 DT but who isn't even listed on their depth chart. [url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/phi/formation/4-3-defense]Philadelphia Eagles 2011 Depth Chart - Base 4-3 D - ESPN[/url].

[B]When Belichick trades for trash like Haynesworth in hopes of a career renaissance it's hailed as brilliant. When we pick guys off the scrap heap in hopes of that they will have a career renaissance, it's "a waste of a roster space".[/B][/quote]

That was one of the best things Ive read on this site in a while, but in order to make a brilliant "move", you have to have a brilliant "coach". One, say, that doesnt have the following stat attached to his hall of fame career maybe?

[I]On the other hand, there’s this: if he fails to do so this year (highly likely after the last two games), Mike Shanahan will have only won a division title in 3 of the 18 seasons in which he was head coach.[/I]

excerpted from - [url=http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/02/when-mike-shanahan-is-no-better-than-jim-zorn-thats-a-problem/]When Mike Shanahan is No Better Than Jim Zorn, That’s a Problem | The Big Lead[/url]

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Didn't know where to put this quote from rotoworld. Here is an RG3 tidbit and a little hope


Robert Griffin III - QB - Player

The Akron Beacon Journal expects the Browns to stay put at the No. 4 overall draft slot if they can't find a way to trade down.
Beat reporter Nate Ulrich points to GM Tom Heckert's tendency to "covet" draft picks, and believes the Browns will not trade up for Baylor QB Robert Griffin. NFL Network's Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora both think the Dolphins and Redskins are candidates to move up for Griffin. The Browns are known to be high on the 2011 Heisman winner, but may only get RG3 if he falls to No. 4.

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[quote=musicmaster45;876905]Didn't know where to put this quote from rotoworld. Here is an RG3 tidbit and a little hope


Robert Griffin III - QB - Player

The Akron Beacon Journal expects the Browns to stay put at the No. 4 overall draft slot if they can't find a way to trade down.
Beat reporter Nate Ulrich points to GM Tom Heckert's tendency to "covet" draft picks, and believes the Browns will not trade up for Baylor QB Robert Griffin. NFL Network's Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora both think the Dolphins and Redskins are candidates to move up for Griffin. The Browns are known to be high on the 2011 Heisman winner, but may only get RG3 if he falls to No. 4.[/quote]

Draft database has the Redskins trading away their 6th overall pick, 2nd rounder and 4th rounder plus their 1st round pick in 2013 to St. Louis in exchange for the 2nd overall pick and a 5th round selection in 2012.

This is not a far-fetched scenario. This may be the price it takes to pay in order to get RG3.

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[quote=musicmaster45;876905]Didn't know where to put this quote from rotoworld. Here is an RG3 tidbit and a little hope


Robert Griffin III - QB - Player

The Akron Beacon Journal expects the Browns to stay put at the No. 4 overall draft slot if they can't find a way to trade down.
Beat reporter Nate Ulrich points to GM Tom Heckert's tendency to "covet" draft picks, and believes the Browns will not trade up for Baylor QB Robert Griffin. NFL Network's Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora both think the Dolphins and Redskins are candidates to move up for Griffin. The Browns are known to be high on the 2011 Heisman winner, but may only get RG3 if he falls to No. 4.[/quote]

Usually whenever I hear that a team will only take a QB if he falls to them it means that they only like him. This is opposed to the "love him" classification which states that teams in love with a QB will be willing to pull all the stops to make sure they get him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;876958]Usually whenever I hear that a team will only take a QB if he falls to them it means that they only like him. This is opposed to the "love him" classification which states that teams in love with a QB will be willing to pull all the stops to make sure they get him.[/quote]


Yup. Shanahan loved Cutler. Shanahan loved Bradford. (tried to move up) It was obvious he didn't love Gabbert or Locker even though I do believe he would have picked Locker had he been there at our pick.

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I just wonder if MS might force the issue this year since he's missed out on a young QB the last 2 years. A guy like RG3 would definitely put butts in the seats and get the fans energized again.

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Latest chatter has Dolphins and Browns making a trade so top 5 is looking something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins-RG3
5. Bucs-Claiborne

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[quote=SmootSmack;877021]Latest chatter has Dolphins and Browns making a trade so top 5 is looking something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins-RG3
5. Bucs-Claiborne[/quote]That top five is like a worst case scenario for Redskins fans, is it not? If no trade down is possible (and I'm not sure who anyone would trade up for), the pick is Richardson, right? That's not Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd territory yet, those would both be pretty extreme reaches giving the variability of first round receivers (after the top guy, typically).

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[quote=GTripp0012;877022]That top five is like a worst case scenario for Redskins fans, is it not? If no trade down is possible (and I'm not sure who anyone would trade up for), the pick is Richardson, right? That's not Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd territory yet, those would both be pretty extreme reaches giving the variability of first round receivers (after the top guy, typically).[/quote]

Yeah it's not the best case really. There are a few possibilities

1. If the Bucs take Richardson, which is also rumored, then Claiborne to the Redskins

2. OL such as Martin or Rieff (probably high for both so a trade down would be best, but Martin in particular is mentioned a lot as a strong possibility for the Redskins. Not DeCastro so much...which would make you think it's actually probably him they'd target)

3. Luke Kuechly (I'll just tell you I've heard his name brought up. But I don't buy it. Only if Fletcher doesn't return, but he will...so again I don't see it. And 6 is too high for him I think)

4. Kirkpatrick-much less likely now with the drug bust. Any other team probably not an issue, for the Redskins considering recent events not likely

So much of this is really dependent of course on FA but my guess is it would be one of the OL, assuming no movement

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I can't see Martin or Reiff improving our passing efficiency or rushing efficiency by as much in the first three years as Richardson would, even though for sure they would both play more total snaps than Richardson would. But that's okay: with Helu and Royster on the team for at least the next two years, I'm not worried.

I really like David DeCastro, but if we were to break the bank for Carl Nicks (and make him a ZBS OT as he was in college instead of a man OG), I think that's a better option for the OL.

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Oh well, trade up three spots and none of this is an issue.

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IF fins & browns trading is really in the works, I would be surprised if the Rams don't get into that action. The rams can really parlay that #2 into an awful lot. Even if Miami knows that the rams don't want RGIII, the very real possibility of other teams offering for that pick to get him makes it worth a lot.

We are as desperate as anybody to get a franchise qb, but I feel good about Allen & Shanny making a deal.