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[quote=HailGreen28;1057512]Redskins 2008 Draft
2 34 Devin Thomas Wide Receiver 6'2 215 Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis Tight End 6'4 250 Southern Cal
2 51 Malcolm Kelly Wide Receiver 6'4 219 Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart Offensive Guard 6'5 320 Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tryon Cornerback 5'9 180 Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks Punter 6'0 204 Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore Safety 5'11 213 Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan Quarterback 6'2 205 Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson Defensive end 6'4 257 Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton Safety 6'1 216 UCLA

Redskins 2009 Draft
1 13 Brian Orakpo Defensive end 6'3" 263 Texas
3 80 Kevin Barnes Cornerback 6'1" 188 Maryland
5 158 Cody Glenn Linebacker 6'0" 244 Nebraska
6 186 Robert Henson Linebacker 6'1" 228 Texas Christian
7 221 Eddie Williams Tight end 6'1" 235 Idaho
7 243 Marko Mitchell Wide receiver 6'4" 218 Nevada

Thanks Vinny and Danny![/quote]

Over the past few years, I have to believe that we have one of the worst draft history's in the NFL.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;1057513]Over the past few years, I have to believe that we have one of the worst draft history's in the NFL.[/quote]Which begs the question: If the majority of these misses were recommendations from Scott Campbell, how does he still have a job? The story that Vinny was overruled on Jamaal Charles with the Malcolm Kelly pick would seem to indicate that Kelly was the choice of Snyder, with possible advice from others.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

The problem is the Redskins are not patient with young players.

We draft players to let them go. we have focused on the next free agent that we brought in instead of development and depth.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=SouperMeister;1057533]Which begs the question: If the majority of these misses were recommendations from Scott Campbell, how does he still have a job? The story that Vinny was overruled on Jamaal Charles with the Malcolm Kelly pick would seem to indicate that Kelly was the choice of Snyder, with possible advice from others.[/quote]

The issue is front office guys like Campbell haven't been listened to enough over the years, something that is supposed to change now.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1057540]The problem is the Redskins are not patient with young players.

We draft players to let them go. we have focused on the next free agent that we brought in instead of development and depth.[/quote]

This.

Belichick wins every year with no-names because he develops talent. We need to follow suit.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;1057540]The problem is the Redskins are not patient with young players.

We draft players to let them go. we have focused on the next free agent that we brought in instead of development and depth.[/quote]Well, out of the 2008-2009 players we let go, I think only Rinehart and Tryon provided any decent depth to other teams, even then only briefly (Tryon 1 yr Colts 1 yr Giants), Rinehart Chargers 2013). Devin Thomas made a couple good ST plays for the Giants 1 yr. AFAIK, that's it.

So I don't think those players we let go have shown much use for development or quality depth (like Jackson). Out of those two drafts, while most of the players provided depth while they were briefly here (like Horton), Jackson (2008) and Orakpo (2009) are the only non-bust picks there, that I see.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

... and orakpo was a no-brainer if he fell to us, which he did.

im interested to see what these guys can do. hopefully they can cont to add long term pieces to the decent young core we have now.

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[quote=Lotus;1057551]This.

Belichick wins every year with no-names because he develops talent. We need to follow suit.[/quote]

Belichick wins every year because he has Tom Brady.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1057613]Belichick wins every year because he has Tom Brady.[/quote]

I could use Brady as an example of my point: low-round talent that Belichick has developed. But IMO even if we set that argument aside, the Pats win because of more than just Brady. Belichick just seems to get the most out of his roster top to bottom, including on defense.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1057246]Sounds like the guy has a serious problem with weed, probably should seek some help.[/QUOTE]


I dont think its the most serious problem in the world - alcohol, or hard drugs would be worse. But man to dedicate your life to your craft and make it all the way to the nfl just to throw it away for a friggin weed high ? Wow. Real head scratcher. Must be some really good shit. I just dont understand why u cant wait till u retire. Whats the avg career span? He would probably still be in his 30's at the end. Make your millions and than u can move to jamaica or amsterdam or hell even colorado.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=punch it in;1057625]I dont think its the most serious problem in the world - alcohol, or hard drugs would be worse. But man to dedicate your life to your craft and make it all the way to the nfl just to throw it away for a friggin weed high ? Wow. Real head scratcher. Must be some really good shit. [B]I just dont understand why u cant wait till u retire. [/B]Whats the avg career span? He would probably still be in his 30's at the end. Make your millions and than u can move to jamaica or amsterdam or hell even colorado.[/quote]

Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties, so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job. That's what many NFLers do.

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[quote=Lotus;1057630][B]Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties[/B], so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job. That's what many NFLers do.[/quote]
..........Soooo true
I have found it to be quite beneficial when watching the B & G this season.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=Lotus;1057630]Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties, so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. [B]So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job.[/B] That's what many NFLers do.[/quote]

Fred was already in the NFL drug program, which means he was subject to random testing throughout the year.

If you aren't in the program, there is a window in April May I think where you know you are subject to being tested.

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[quote=Hog1;1057631]..........Soooo true
I have found it to be quite beneficial when watching the B & G this season.[/quote]



:laughing2

:joecool:
:Smoker:

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1057632]Fred was already in the NFL drug program, which means he was subject to random testing throughout the year.

[B]If you aren't in the program, there is a window in April May I think where you know you are subject to being tested.[/B][/quote]

That's what I meant by "at first." Yeah, once you are in the program things get tougher.