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Heard Michigan reached out to Jay Gruden for a job.

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The one thing I'll say, Dan was smart enough to go get Joe Gibbs and let him restore order. He gave him complete control and Gibbs made the playoffs twice without a real QB. If Dan finds someone he think is capable, he will step aside and do it.

Problem is Dan just might not be willing to eat the $20M left on Gruden's salary.

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[quote=irish;1098567]Obviously Jones isnt afraid to have people surrounding him that will say no. And he listens and take their advice. Maybe that's why his team is winning.

Snyder is surrounded by yes men so in the end Snyder would have told his people to STFU and just draft Manzel.[/quote]

So was Shanahan a yes man? Is Bruce Allen?

I know it is stupid for me to think that Snyder hasn't had a say on team decisions, but I think these two guys have been running things since Zorn was canned. If anything, Snyder is guilty of making bad hires.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098575]So was Shanahan a yes man? Is Bruce Allen?

I know it is stupid for me to think that Snyder hasn't had a say on team decisions, but I think these two guys have been running things since Zorn was canned. If anything, Snyder is guilty of making bad hires.[/quote]

Bruce Allen is the king of the yes men.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098573]The one thing I'll say, Dan was smart enough to go get Joe Gibbs and let him restore order. He gave him complete control and Gibbs made the playoffs twice without a real QB. If Dan finds someone he think is capable, he will step aside and do it.

Problem is Dan just might not be willing to eat the $20M left on Gruden's salary.[/quote]

The real problem is why give an unproven coach a 5 year 25 mill contract? It's not like Gruden was the toast of the NFL and everyone wanted to hire.

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[quote=irish;1098576]Bruce Allen is the king of the yes men.[/quote]

So you know that for a fact?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098575][B]So was Shanahan a yes man? Is Bruce Allen?[/B]

I know it is stupid for me to think that Snyder hasn't had a say on team decisions, but I think these two guys have been running things since Zorn was canned. If anything, Snyder is guilty of making bad hires.[/quote]

Apparently they both were yes men with the Snyder-driven RGIII trade.

It seems that Snyder doesn't meddle much, but when he does, he meddles both big-time and disastrously.

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[quote=Bucket;1098572]Heard Michigan reached out to Jay Gruden for a job.[/quote]

Like present time or in the past?

Jay might be better suited in college, but may also not be HC material outside the arena world.

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[quote=saden1;1098577]The real problem is why give an unproven coach a 5 year 25 mill contract? It's not like Gruden was the toast of the NFL and everyone wanted to hire.[/quote]

They just fired the proven coach to give the unproven coach his chance. They have tried every type of coach (new, old, proven, unproven, college...) and none has worked. Other than for a nice payday why would any coach want to come to this cluster F of an organization?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098578]So you know that for a fact?[/quote]

Its obvious.

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[quote=saden1;1098577]The real problem is why give an unproven coach a 5 year 25 mill contract? It's not like Gruden was the toast of the NFL and everyone wanted to hire.[/quote]

True. Especially because we were one of the last teams with a vacancy. We had the leverage at that point.

But hey I found another positive. Since it doesn't look like Griffin is worthy of that $15M a year contract we all thought he'd get, imagine the cap space we have available to make improvements.

Now if only our owner could manage to find a competent football boss to identify the players to take that money.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1098522]I'm trying to put myself in that position and if my head coach comes to me and says he's benching the starting QB, and gives me legit reasons, I'm backing my coach. I'm not going to sit in the film room with the coach and go over missed wr's, incorrect drops, throwing late, taking sacks and on and on and on. Especially since Snyder isn't qualified to even be in a film room.[/quote]

So you're going to back your rookie coach who wants to sit the player that you hired him to develop after that player plays less than half a season - and do it without even looking more closely into the matter? P-u-l-e-e-e-z-e!

Gruden: "I'm gonna bench RGIII."

skinsfan69: "OK. Thanks for letting me know. Have a nice day!"

Yeah, like that would almost happen.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098580]Like present time or in the past?

Jay might be better suited in college, but may also not be HC material outside the arena world.[/quote]

Present

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[quote=irish;1098581]They just fired the proven coach to give the unproven coach his chance. They have tried every type of coach (new, old, proven, unproven, college...) and none has worked. Other than for a nice payday why would any coach want to come to this cluster F of an organization?[/quote]

No proven or highly sought after coach would... In fact, most of them would already have us crossed out when the process starts...

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[quote=Fiversons;1098589]No proven or highly sought after coach would... In fact, most of them would already have us crossed out when the process starts...[/quote]

That is exactly what many people said on several occasions right before Snyder hired a big-name coach.