Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[B]Why on Earth would the Skins even consider the Transition tag?[/B] It only saves about 2 million over a Franchise tag, and unlike the non-exclusive FT the Skins get zero compensation if KC signs elsewhere. Whereas with the non-exclusive FT the Skins would get 1 first round picks should KC leave.

Frankly I don't how much difference there is in salary between the exclusive and non-exclusive FT, but I wouldn't risk a team being willing to pay the 2 draft picks. Give him the exclusive and keep negotiating.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

i too, would avoid the transition tag if i were in charge. needless risk.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1139778][url=http://www.profootballrumors.com/washington-to-use-tag-on-kirk-cousins/]Washington To Use Tag On Kirk Cousins?[/url]

These are rumors, as indicated by the name of the website but. . .

If the team is offering 15mpy and Kirk wants 19mpy, a deal definitely gets done. 15m is a low ball offer.[/quote]

From the article: "No player in the league did more over the last four weeks of the regular season to help his stock than Cousins, who completed 74% of his passes for nearly 1,200 yards, while posting a 12:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 134.0 quarterback rating. For the season, Cousins thew 29 touchdowns against 11 interceptions, led the league in completion percentage (69.8%), and helped Washington win its first division title since 2012."

Conclusion: This deal gets done. Jay Gruden's offense and Kirk Cousins' skillset are just too good of a match for the deal to not get done.

Now, as for the contract amount: Let's see, add 15 plus 19, then divide by 2...

Kirk will be paid an average of $17MM per season, which he should be because it is fair for where he ranks among NFL QB's. That would be a good deal for the Skins because Kirk's going to get better. He could end up in the Top 10 of NFL QB's. Also, if I were Kirk, my ego would not allow me to accept one cent less than the Skins paid RGIII to sit on the bench all last season ($16.5MM). I'd bet he and his agent feel the same way.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139783]From the article: "No player in the league did more over the last four weeks of the regular season to help his stock than Cousins, who completed 74% of his passes for nearly 1,200 yards, while posting a 12:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 134.0 quarterback rating. For the season, Cousins thew 29 touchdowns against 11 interceptions, led the league in completion percentage (69.8%), and helped Washington win its first division title since 2012."

Conclusion: This deal gets done. Jay Gruden's offense and Kirk Cousins' skillset are just too good of a match for the deal to not get done.

Now, as for the contract amount: Let's see, add 15 plus 19, then divide by 2...

Kirk will be paid an average of $17MM per season, which he should be because it is fair for where he ranks among NFL QB's. That would be a good deal for the Skins because Kirk's going to get better. He could end up in the Top 10 of NFL QB's. Also, if I were Kirk, my ego would not allow me to accept one cent less than the Skins paid RGIII to sit on the bench all last season ($16.5MM). I'd bet he and his agent feel the same way.[/quote]

Everything you said was solid right up until you got your facts wrong like a presidential candidate. Robert was not paid 16M to sit on the bench last year, that number represents the salary he'd have this upcoming season if kept on the roster. He was paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 4M to 5M last year under the last year of his rookie deal before the Redskins exercised the option.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

never mind....

Schneed beat me to it

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[quote=Schneed10;1139784]Everything you said was solid right up until you got your facts wrong like a presidential candidate. Robert was not paid 16M to sit on the bench last year, that number represents the salary he'd have this upcoming season if kept on the roster. He was paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 4M to 5M last year under the last year of his rookie deal before the Redskins exercised the option.[/quote]

That's what we have you for; to keep us straight on the numbers.

Anyway, the two sides will settle on about $17MM because that's fair market value for Kirk and a good deal for the Skins as long as he continues to improve.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Agreed, I could easily see it being 18 or 19 too, but who's counting.

I think Cousins has the leverage, the Skins will have to come up more than Cousins will have to come down.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

According to FoxSports.com, the team's initial offer to Cousins was for $12.5 million per year, a number that they bumped up to $15 million after some negotiation.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25497964/are-the-redskins-lowballing-kirk-cousins-with-their-long-term-offers]Are the Redskins lowballing Kirk Cousins with their long-term offers? - CBSSports.com[/url]

Skins start unreasonably low, mccartney starts unreasonably high .. hopefully they meet in the middle. If the skins started 12.5 and jumped to 15, I imagine their bottom line is 17-18 per. I assume mccartney doesnt want to go below 20, but he has to if he wants a deal done imo.

IMO, a deal gets done in the 18 per range .. or he gets franchise tagged. I think the transition tag is just hot air to try and get mccartney under 20.

IM just torn personally bc i think he is a 10-15 best QB but he wants to be paid like he is top 5. He hasnt performed long enough to truly say he is top 10 and he hasnt shown he can operate against top 10 defenses. I love Kirk but it seems like kirk loves himself some kirk even more.

let Ian Desmond be a reminder to athletes. He turned down 7yrs 107 m 2 years ago, turned down 15.3m QO this offseason .... just signed for 1 yr 8 m.

Take the guaranteed money Kirk. Your are not going to produce nearly as well in any other system.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

For anyone unfamiliar with negotiating, it always starts with an unreasonable offer from one side. Then an equally unreasonable counter is made. Then both sides work to hopefully meet somewhere in the middle.

In a case like this, both sides are more valuable to one another than to anyone else. That's why I think a deal will get done.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1139819]For anyone unfamiliar with negotiating, it always starts with an unreasonable offer from one side. Then an equally unreasonable counter is made. Then both sides work to hopefully meet somewhere in the middle.

In a case like this, both sides are more valuable to one another than to anyone else. That's why I think a deal will get done.[/quote]

Wholeheartedly agree. I think odds are that the long term deal will come this summer. Each side is going to use the tag to position themselves and go from there.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139783]From the article: "No player in the league did more over the last four weeks of the regular season to help his stock than Cousins, who completed 74% of his passes for nearly 1,200 yards, while posting a 12:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 134.0 quarterback rating. For the season, Cousins thew 29 touchdowns against 11 interceptions, led the league in completion percentage (69.8%), and helped Washington win its first division title since 2012."

Conclusion: This deal gets done. Jay Gruden's offense and Kirk Cousins' skillset are just too good of a match for the deal to not get done.

Now, as for the contract amount: Let's see, add 15 plus 19, then divide by 2...

Kirk will be paid an average of $17MM per season, which he should be because it is fair for where he ranks among NFL QB's. That would be a good deal for the Skins because Kirk's going to get better. He could end up in the Top 10 of NFL QB's. Also, if I were Kirk, my ego would not allow me to accept one cent less than the Skins paid RGIII to sit on the bench all last season ($16.5MM). I'd bet he and his agent feel the same way.[/quote]

Agree with everything except the part about the Skins paying RGIII $16.5mm to sit on the bench. He was making rookie scale, last year of contract, much much less than that. $16.5 is what they're not paying by releasing him...

Nevermind, should have know that Schneed would get there first...

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Dallas sports talk radio media basically saying Kirk doesn't want to be a redskin and would love to test free agency. Hmmm just them hating on us or truth?

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Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1139830]Dallas sports talk radio media basically saying Kirk doesn't want to be a redskin and would love to test free agency. Hmmm just them hating on us or truth?

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pfffftttttt
Dallas sports pundits can blow me.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I think it's all for leverage. If Kirk doesn't want to be in washington he would have said it after the season

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Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1139830]dallas sports talk radio media basically saying kirk doesn't want to be a redskin and would love to test free agency. Hmmm just them hating on us or truth?

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