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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]As a Redskins fan and as a fan of one of our players it doesn't matter to SUNRA who is in the quarterback position as long as it is not Ramsey. If you are ripping him constantly then you must have some sort of personal dislike of him and as a fan of him and the Redskins I take that personally. In addition I remember his comments last season!!!!![/QUOTE]

The question is were my criticisms of Ramsey warranted? And if you remember what I ripped him about, it's the same reasons he's not the QB, so what's your beef with me? Maybe because I said something that was actually a fact that became a reality for some and a nightmare for others.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]He is getting a second opinion tomorrow they said on MNF.[/QUOTE]
he can get a million opinions. If it's a torn rotator cuff he is done for now. And considering his lack of arm strength in the first place one has to wonder where this puts his career. In jeopardy I would guess. Guranteed that the Jets will address this issue during the off-season but as for now they'd be better off going with Testeverde or a guy like Jeff Blake. Remember the draft is going to have a pretty well regarded QB in Leinart and one of either Brees or Rivers might be available. That puts Ramsey down the list immediately. I am sure there will be some other more attractive options too. I don't think we can count on too much for him but hopefully I am wrong.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]The question is were my criticisms of Ramsey warranted? And if you remember what I ripped him about, it's the same reasons he's not the QB, so what's your beef with me? Maybe because I said something that was actually a fact that became a reality for some and a nightmare for others.[/QUOTE]

No not really especially because your assesment is based on opinion and not actual fact. SUNRA I just think that you are way too negative on certain topics. I enjoy your commentary on somethings but I am just disappointed in your overall assessment of this situation and never thought that it was fair or carefully thought through. That is all. :)

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]No not really especially because your assesment is based on opinion and not actual fact. SUNRA I just think that you are way too negative on certain topics. I enjoy your commentary on somethings but I am just disappointed in your overall assessment of this situation and never thought that it was fair or carefully thought through. That is all. :)[/QUOTE]

I don't mean to waste your time with the past, but here are the facts that I spoke of last year that were an opinion shared by many commentators and by Gibbs himself.

1.Ramsey is indecisive and holds on to the ball too long which contributed to a lot of the sacks he accumulated when Spurrier was the coach and after the Spurrier era.

2.Ramsey had not developed the ability to read the defense and call an audible in time. (Too many delay of game calls called when he does it.)

3.Ramsey turns the ball over too much which will eventually land him on the bench and send him out of D.C.

4.Ramsey is not the future of Washington Redskins. He's hasn't played an entire season to even be given the NFL's wealthiest franchise with the inconsistent plays he has exhibited throughtout his career as a Redskin.

Please tell me what part of these facts/opinions you have a problem with. Notice I didn't use the regular verbiage "he sucks" that's used to regularly describe Brunell's play.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]I don't mean to waste your time with the past, but here are the facts that I spoke of last year that were an opinion shared by many commentators and by Gibbs himself.

1.Ramsey is indecisive and holds on to the ball too long which contributed to a lot of the sacks he accumulated when Spurrier was the coach and after the Spurrier era.

2.Ramsey had not developed the ability to read the defense and call an audible in time. (Too many delay of game calls called when he does it.)

3.Ramsey turns the ball over too much which will eventually land him on the bench and send him out of D.C.

4.Ramsey is not the future of Washington Redskins. He's hasn't played an entire season to even be given the NFL's wealthiest franchise with the inconsistent plays he has exhibited throughtout his career as a Redskin.

Please tell me what part of these facts/opinions you have a problem with. Notice I didn't use the regular verbiage "he sucks" that's used to regularly describe Brunell's play.[/QUOTE]


LOL man, jeez please people the argument is laid out. I think it is very reasonable, it may not be what others believe but it is not without truth. Bottom line no matter how you slice it is the guy was replaced by a staff that only had to gain by him succeeding. He played himself out of a job. He is more talented, younger, stronger armed but they didn't go with him. I love Ramsey if I had my way he would be a a pro bowl player that didn't turn the ball over but it isn't the case. Please stop jumping on everyone who thinks we may have increaseed our chances of winning by benching the guy. I hope this lights a fire under his ass so he will play himself back into a job somehow.

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Let's just all grab a beer and hug. :)

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Let's just all grab a beer and hug. :)[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.[/QUOTE]

Canuck you are scaring me...this might be one of the only logical posts in the history of Brunell/Ramsey debate on this forum. Quick someone get out the flamethrower......just kidding. Nice post.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.[/QUOTE]
= hitting the nail on the head.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]Never liked him and certainly didn't think he was the future of the team. If Eli Manning and Kyle Orton can start, Jason Campbell certainly can start and Gibbs can scale back the playcalling until he is comfortable with the offense. them the same way Ramsey did last year.[/QUOTE]


Scale back the playcalling????????????????????????????

You mean no more WR screens?

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Fom Newsday [url="http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-spglaub0927,0,4309342.column?coll=ny-rightrail-columnist"]http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-spglaub0927,0,4309342.column?coll=ny-rightrail-columnist[/url]

"The Jets will also consider trading for a quarterback. Patrick Ramsey is available after falling out of favor with the Redskins. The Jets would surely love to pry Billy Volek away from Tennessee, where he worked under Mike Heim.erdinger. But the Titans are not expected to deal him, especially with oft-injured Steve McNair edging closer toward retirement."


[url="http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets0927,0,5551205.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines"]http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets0927,0,5551205.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines[/url]
The Jets are testing the trade market for quarterbacks, but not much is available. The Titans' Billy Volek, Eagles' Mike McMahon and Redskins' Patrick Ramsey are not believed to be available.

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Marty should trade Rivers. Get another draft pick or a player. Be huge for SD.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Brunell is now starting for us, how do you figure he learned from his mistake?

To bad Gibbs didn't give Ramsey some real playing time to see if he learns from his mistakes, we all know WR's running the wrong routes is a Ramsey mistake not Gibbs, right!



I have to ask what team have you been watching, Ill has already pointed out that Gibbs stayed with Brunell 9 games last season, which was probably 5 games to long, Ramsey? 19 minutes, I hope the 9 didn't confuse you, the 9 represents minutes not games.

Funny how Ramsey won the job last season over Brunell in regular season competition, only to lose it in 19 minutes this season of regular season competition, as most scouts and coaches will tell you, pre-season doesn't mean jack when it comes to evaluation of teams and players, there are to many varibles that can lead to a players success, or failure, in a pre-season game.[/QUOTE]

Er...off, I guess I am confused. I don't understand why is it you want to make this out to be a vendetta against Ramsey by Gibbs? If that is not what you are saying, what is it? What would Gibbs or the Redskins hope to gain by doing so? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what........it's a (lame) DUCK. It doesn't seem to matter be it a pre-season duck or regular season duck, to a 3-time superbowl winning coach, and winner in everything he does. He has built winners everywhere he has been, before and after the Skin's. If he thinks Ramsey can't cut it, and he clearly does, so be it. If it doesn't fit with some........scouts opinon, well considering the creds of those involved, I believe Joe knows!!! And hey.......look at that, Joe just managed what hasn't been done, basically since he left............beating the Boys in their own crib ON MONDAY NIGHT!! Are you a Redskin fan??? You sound more like a Ramsey fan.

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if and when Ramsey plays he'll be 10 times smarter and playing to prove he's for real. Ramsey will start again this season. Redskins have 14 more games and all in a row! Brunell will show up again, but we won't succeed without the both of them. Ramsey and Brunell will take us to the promised land if they both play smart calculated Gibbs ball. And then there's the 70 yd bomb on 1st and 10 from the Redskins 30 yd line down 13-7 with less than 3 mins remaining...

Maybe Joey T was right!?!?

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i think they will go after quincy carter or testaverde. both already know the system and they won't cost anything more than the money.. maybe in the off season. but i would be suprised if it happend now.