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[quote=Beemnseven;511900]I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.[/quote]Wait, so we quit, but then decided not to quit?

Can we stop throwing the term "Quit" around when that's clearly not the problem?

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[quote=Twilbert07;511839]it's like going to a guy you hired to be a manager and making him CEO. Snyder made a mistake, and he'll try to undo it ASAP. I bet he offers Cowher $10 million/year.[/quote]
Maybe it's like some of the other successful hires in the NFL that were never coordinators....I sure don't recall anyone saying Snyder made a mistake when we beat the Eagles & Cowboys early on.

Reality check. We'll finish 7-9 or 8-8, probably 8-8. With all the changes in the off-season and the loss of ST late last year most of us predicted 7-9 to 9-7 and we're fans. Most of the "experts" had us in the 6-10 range.

- We have a young QB, who IS PROGRESSING (check his year-end stats vs. last year, barring a terrible display against PHI & SF) despite what many fans say. He's got a cannon arm, is fairly mobile, appears to be learning the system, doesn't throw many picks, and has improved his release. He needs to protect the ball a bit better (pre-throw) IMO though. If you look at M. Hasselbeck's progression in the WCO under Homgren/Zorn and compare Campbell, next year should be excellent.
- We have an aging OL and unfortunately it's caught up with us this year. If Samuels can have a solid year next year, Heyer develops into a starting RT, Thomas can give us a solid year and we pick up a C and/or G/T we have guys who can provide depth.
- We have small, speed WRs who are solid, but not "playmaker" or gamechanging WRs. Opposing D's don't scheme to "stop Moss & ARE". We have good young rookie WR talent. Not a good recipe for this year. IMO our WR coach is not very good.
- Good FB
- Very good RB with no depth. Portis does have a stamina issue, I know on more than a few occasions he's gotten us down inside the Red Zone with great plays and then goes to the sideline for a "blow". Great backs don't do that, they find a way to finish the drive.
- TE is very good, but not a physical threat (Gates, Gonzalez).
- Our DL is pedestrian. We desperately need a DT (Haynesworth?) who can collapse the pocket and a LDE who is very good. If we can make those two acquisitions in the off-season our D could be a scary unit (in a good way) next year.
- MLB excellent, OLBs solid, but not anything that scares opposing Os.
- Secondary is young and very good, IMO a bright spot if we can re-sign Hall and he doesn't become a locker room cancer.
- Special teams are poor, if the P or K isn't screwing up, someone makes a key penalty. We need a new ST coach...bad.

All this does not a playoff team make. We're like a majority of the NFL, a team with some very solid players, but with holes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511907]If the running game was our strength and we ran the Gibbs system with the WCO on passing. Then the most logical choice would be to bring in Russ Grimm not the Seahawks OL coach. Why change the strength of your team with yet another running game system?[/quote]We changed the running schemes. This year.

We have new running schemes. We have new running schemes. We have new running schemes. We have new running schemes. We have new running schemes. We have new running schemes. We have new running schemes.

I can not believe people do not know this by now.

Anyway, I agree with your post entirely SF. I just had to set the record straight.

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[quote=skinsnut;511902]Smootsmack...
This is ballsy speculation...I will hold you to this.
Blache AND Bugel retire?
Wow.

I can see smith and hixon being cut though...they have done a poor job[/quote]
I agree with SS. There will be a major overhaul with assistants this off-season.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;511914]Maybe it's like some of the other successful hires in the NFL that were never coordinators....I sure don't recall anyone saying Snyder made a mistake when we beat the Eagles & Cowboys early on.

Reality check. We'll finish 7-9 or 8-8, probably 8-8. With all the changes in the off-season and the loss of ST late last year most of us predicted 7-9 to 9-7 and we're fans. Most of the "experts" had us in the 6-10 range.

- We have a young QB, who IS PROGRESSING (check his year-end stats vs. last year, barring a terrible display against PHI & SF) despite what many fans say. He's got a cannon arm, is fairly mobile, appears to be learning the system, doesn't throw many picks, and has improved his release. He needs to protect the ball a bit better (pre-throw) IMO though. If you look at M. Hasselbeck's progression in the WCO under Homgren/Zorn and compare Campbell, next year should be excellent.
- We have an aging OL and unfortunately it's caught up with us this year. If Samuels can have a solid year next year, Heyer develops into a starting RT, Thomas can give us a solid year and we pick up a C and/or G/T we have guys who can provide depth.
- We have small, speed WRs who are solid, but not "playmaker" or gamechanging WRs. Opposing D's don't scheme to "stop Moss & ARE". We have good young rookie WR talent. Not a good recipe for this year. IMO our WR coach is not very good.
- Good FB
- Very good RB with no depth. Portis does have a stamina issue, I know on more than a few occasions he's gotten us down inside the Red Zone with great plays and then goes to the sideline for a "blow". Great backs don't do that, they find a way to finish the drive.
- TE is very good, but not a physical threat (Gates, Gonzalez).
- Our DL is pedestrian. We desperately need a DT (Haynesworth?) who can collapse the pocket and a LDE who is very good. If we can make those two acquisitions in the off-season our D could be a scary unit (in a good way) next year.
- MLB excellent, OLBs solid, but not anything that scares opposing Os.
- Secondary is young and very good, IMO a bright spot if we can re-sign Hall and he doesn't become a locker room cancer.
- Special teams are poor, if the P or K isn't screwing up, someone makes a key penalty. We need a new ST coach...bad.

All this does not a playoff team make. We're like a majority of the NFL, a team with some very solid players, but with holes.[/quote]

You make some good points and give me some hope. But, the fact we couldn't get up for and hang with a 1-11-1 team says something is broken beyond repair. As for Campbell, his QB rating in the second half is much lower than in the first half. That trend cannot occur next year. He should be getting better.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;511917]I agree with SS. There will be a major overhaul with assistants this off-season.[/quote]

This is the NFL, there is always a fall guy. Gregg Williams is the fall guy in Jacksonville. There will a fall guy or two here. Blache has not impressed me.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Wait, so we quit, but then decided not to quit?

Can we stop throwing the term "Quit" around when that's clearly not the problem?[/quote]


"Clearly" not the problem? I don't see how anyone can say that.

If scoring 13 points against one of the worst teams in the league is all it takes to prove to you that they truly are Spartans, then have at it.

They stunk up the joint with the playoffs on the line against the Cincinnati Bengals. So yes, in my book this team has quit.

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[quote=Twilbert07;511919]You make some good points and give me some hope. But, the fact we couldn't get up for and hang with a 1-11-1 team says something is broken beyond repair. As for Campbell, his QB rating in the second half is much lower than in the first half. That trend cannot occur next year. He should be getting better.[/quote]
Don't think that M. Lewis isn't on the hot seat and coaching for his job right now, also the Bengals players are playing for contracts too. They were at home and we turned the ball over.

JC's QB rating will be lower in the second half because the OL played poorly in the second half, not because of anything he's done wrong.

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[quote=Schneed10;510112]I've seen a few posts in this thread, from SS and skinsfan69 in particular, stating unequivocally (and I'm paraphrasing here) that you don't get rid of Zorn after one season under any circumstances.

I could not disagree with you more.

If Zorn guides this team to wins against the Bengals and Niners, finishing at 9-7, then he certainly deserves to keep his job. I want to make that very clear first and foremost.

But if we drop all 3 remaining games? Lose to the Bengals and the 49ers? Collapse down the stretch? Start to lose the locker room? Finish 7-9 after making the playoffs last year while keeping the same defense and the same running game? No thank you, that's ineffective leadership.

Leadership positions are not the kind where you need to learn on the job. You either have a clue how to lead men or you don't. Offensive schemes, sure, they take time. But not leadership. You don't lose the locker room if you're a good leader.

But should offensive schemes even take all that long when all you have to do is install a passing offense? I'm willing to give Zorn two years to produce a passing offense worth a darn, a la Matt Hasselbeck. But he better get this locker room back in a hurry, or all the offensive scheming in the world won't matter. If you can't lead men then you can't be a head coach in the NFL.

Zorn needs to stop saying things like "we just didn't execute" in the papers. If you keep selling your players out like that and deflect the criticisms of yourself, you're going to lose the players' respect.

I don't like kneejerk reactions applied to coaching changes, but there are times when waiting and being patient reaches the point of diminishing returns. Once we found out Spurrier couldn't lead men, we wanted him out and couldn't wait until it happened. Zorn is NOT at that point, but if he doesn't get the locker room back and beat the sorry ass Bengals and Niners, he might be.

Leader first, scheme second.[/quote]

Man,
When I start reading assessments like this by our moderator prior to the cincy game, it doesn't bode well for Zorn...Mods tend to be kool-aid drinkers...(don't kill me for saying it)...I've seen a few on this good thread that are concerned...schneed makes a good point.
We would have been better off cutting Spurrier after 1 year since it took several years to recover from his crap.....AND it took a hall of fame coach to do it....unfortunately, none of those are available...I sure hope the next 2 games show incredible creativity and fire from the team, 2 things that are sorely needed from Zorn right now

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[quote=Beemnseven;511921]"Clearly" not the problem? I don't see how anyone can say that.

If scoring 13 points against one of the worst teams in the league is all it takes to prove to you that they truly are Spartans, then have at it.

They stunk up the joint with the playoffs on the line against the Cincinnati Bengals. So yes, in my book this team has quit.[/quote]Your evidence that they've quit though is bordering on conspiracy theory, and at best, is weak.

Performance in a single game is not evidence for much, especially an outlandish accusation.

When the Bucs were down 14-0 to the Lions just two weeks ago, I guess the only logical conclusion, according to you, is that they quit on Jon Gruden. Nevermind the rest of the game. The start of the game on the road apparently is evidence enough for you to draw a conclusion (that isn't necessarily supported by the evidence anyway).

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[quote=GTripp0012;511926]Your evidence that they've quit though is bordering on conspiracy theory, and at best, is weak.

Performance in a single game is not evidence for much, especially an outlandish accusation.[/quote]

They evidence is clear. And this isn't just one game we're talking about. Today, they couldn't find it within themselves to rise to the occasion against one of the worst teams in football to stay in the playoff hunt.

I don't see what is so "outlandish" about it.

You can parse words and call it whatever you want. Either way the results speak for themselves.

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I don't think quit fits. They just start veerrryyy slow every game, and that lets every team stay in it. And never gives us a chance to put a game away.
I haven't got any clue what the issue is, but I think "quit" is the same as last weeks' "heart". I would love someone to be able to give an inside view of the Skins, without the hate of JLC or the blind adoration of Larry Michaels.

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[QUOTE=bjschmonsees;511695][QUOTE=A10sROCK;510522]

Snyder only let go of General Schottenheimer because he wouldn't share the personnel decision duties with a GM. He had a 8-8 first season.
QUOTE]


[B]There is a huge diffence between going 0-5 and finishing 8-8 and starting 6-2 and going 8-8...[/[/B]QUOTE]

This sums it all up...

I still believe, although BORING as hell....Marty ball worked.
It worked here, it worked in San Diego, we should have kept him.
The same would go with any veteran head coach with consistant playoff experience....Zorn is obviously in way over his head. He can't even get people to line up correctly...things are falling apart quickly....the trendline is certainly downward.

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[quote=Beemnseven;509894]Man, if you thought this offense doesn't attack downfield with deep passes enough, just wait for what Bill Cowher will do.

Prepare yourself for 'three yards and a cloud of dust' excitement with his offensive philosophy.[/quote]


Does he Win?

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[quote=DarkKnight;511946]Does he Win?[/quote]Hasn't done much winning recently.

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[quote=skinsnut;511943][quote=bjschmonsees;511695][quote=A10sROCK;510522]

Snyder only let go of General Schottenheimer because he wouldn't share the personnel decision duties with a GM. He had a 8-8 first season.
QUOTE]


[B]There is a huge diffence between going 0-5 and finishing 8-8 and starting 6-2 and going 8-8...[/[/B]QUOTE]

This sums it all up...

I still believe, although BORING as hell....Marty ball worked.
It worked here, it worked in San Diego, we should have kept him.
The same would go with any veteran head coach with consistant playoff experience....Zorn is obviously in way over his head. He can't even get people to line up correctly...things are falling apart quickly....the trendline is certainly downward.[/quote]

You're right. It's how you finish, not how you started. It's a terrible sign that the team collapsed under Zorn's watch. That does not bode well.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511930]They evidence is clear. And this isn't just one game we're talking about. Today, they couldn't find it within themselves to rise to the occasion against one of the worst teams in football to stay in the playoff hunt.

I don't see what is so "outlandish" about it.

You can parse words and call it whatever you want. Either way the results speak for themselves.[/quote]

We scored 10 pts against one of if not the worst defenses in the NFL. That's a fact.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511930]They evidence is clear. And this isn't just one game we're talking about. Today, they couldn't find it within themselves to rise to the occasion against one of the worst teams in football to stay in the playoff hunt.

I don't see what is so "outlandish" about it.

You can parse words and call it whatever you want. Either way the results speak for themselves.[/quote]Yeah, Cooley that quitter. Doesn't give enough effort to not turn the ball over after he converts on third and long.

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[quote=redsk1;511949]We scored 10 pts against one of if not the worst defenses in the NFL. That's a fact.[/quote]

Actually we scored 13. Thats a fact.

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[quote=DarkKnight;511946]Does he Win?[/quote]

It took him awhile, but yeah I believe he's on the plus side of .500 for his career.

Notice that he didn't really start winning until he gave the offense over to Whisenhunt who likes to mix things up and go for the jugular.

I'm not his biggest fan.

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[quote=DarkKnight;511946]Does he Win?[/quote]

[quote=GTripp0012;511947]Hasn't done much winning recently.[/quote]



You mean since he has been in the Studio! Ooh yeah, now you make perfect sense. :vomit:

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[quote=redsk1;511949]We scored 10 pts against one of if not the worst defenses in the NFL. That's a fact.[/quote]Except we scored 13 points. And we turned the ball over twice, costing us probably another 10.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511950]Yeah, Cooley that quitter. Doesn't give enough effort to not turn the ball over after he converts on third and long.[/quote]

Dude, call it whatever you want.

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[quote=44ever;511820]Who trades Champ Bailey? Decisions like these make no sence. He was the closest thing to Green we've had. Why are recievers returning punts? Why do we trade Thrash when he's great and get him back when he sucks? Why do we not have a line worthy to be called the Hogs. What's up with Alexander? On and on and on... I wonder why we suck?[/quote]

Welcome to the board...but your bailey and punt return comments suggest that you are pissed and drinking a ton of beer.
I personally love portis and believe moss returning punts is rather effective.
Alexander is a guy that is amazing considering he's essentially a 3rd stringer....I'm not sure, but I believe he has more sacks than.....hmmm...Jason Taylor.

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[quote=DarkKnight;511953]You mean since he has been in the Studio! Ooh yeah, now you make perfect sense. :vomit:[/quote]You're not hiring the 1992 defensive coordinator who is full of energy and excitment. You're hiring the guy who has spent the last two seasons in the studio, doing pretty lazy game analysis and would only consider coaching the Redskins if we gave him way more money than he's worth. That's who you want as our coach?

Figures.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511956]Dude, call it whatever you want.[/quote]So I'm right then? You're conceding?

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He has loss the offense for sure. That happened when Portis spoke out. I'm suprised we haven't heard about snyder putting a bunch a vanilla ice cream in his office or something because he is so perdictable. Zorn was a great pick up for ofensive coordinator, but they should of kept G williams as head coach and promoted Blanche to d coordinator.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;511961]He has loss the offense for sure. That happened when Portis spoke out. I'm suprised we haven't heard about snyder putting a bunch a vanilla ice cream in his office or something because he is so perdictable. [B]Zorn was a great pick up for ofensive coordinator, but they should of kept G williams as head coach and promoted Blanche to d coordinator.[/B][/quote]

How does this make any sense? Unless the argument is that Zorn's responsibilities as head coach prevent him from effectively running the offense, isn't it safe to assume that our offense would be kind of similar with Williams as coach and Zorn as OC? I can't imagine that Williams would have been that involved with the offensive side of the ball. I kind of think it's more likely that, should the Skins have followed your advice last year, we'd be debating who the next OC should be right now.

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[quote=djnemo65;511968]How does this make any sense? Unless the argument is that Zorn's responsibilities as head coach prevent him from effectively running the offense, isn't it safe to assume that our offense would be kind of similar with Williams as coach and Zorn as OC? I can't imagine that Williams would have been that involved with the offensive side of the ball. I kind of think it's more likely that, should the Skins have followed your advice last year, we'd be debating who the next OC should be right now.[/quote]Beat me to it. Doesn't it suck when some peoples hindsight isn't 20/20?

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I will throw out a crazy idea...
If you were Snyder, what would you do with the HEAD COACH situation at the end of the year.

I would leave it alone....

Otherwise, I'd hire an experience Offensive Coordinator with the intention of promoting him to head coach within a year if he succeeded.

After all, Zorn is mostly responsible for the passing game which has been lame...If he has failed as a head coach, he has certainly failed at his offensive coordinator job. The reason Danny kept everything else the same was for continuity ie., lack of confidence in a rookie who has never called a play.

Oh yeah, his only other responsibility is to inspire the team to play well.
I feel that is where he has failed the most.

I hope this is just a learning experience and that he freaks out like most head coaches would...we'll just have to see...unfortunately, this should have happened during the Dallas game a month ago.

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[quote=skinsnut;511977]I will throw out a crazy idea...
If you were Snyder, what would you do with the HEAD COACH situation at the end of the year.

I would leave it alone....

Otherwise, I'd hire an experience Offensive Coordinator with the intention of promoting him to head coach within a year if he succeeded.

After all, Zorn is mostly responsible for the passing game which has been lame...If he has failed as a head coach, he has certainly failed at his offensive coordinator job. The reason Danny kept everything else the same was for continuity ie., lack of confidence in a rookie who has never called a play.

Oh yeah, his only other responsibility is to inspire the team to play well.
I feel that is where he has failed the most.

I hope this is just a learning experience and that he freaks out like most head coaches would...we'll just have to see...unfortunately, this should have happened during the Dallas game a month ago.[/quote]But he hasn't failed in bringing along Jason Campbell. Most of the reason his schemes have been ineffective, is that Devin Thomas has seen 30+ targets, and he generally doesn't know what to do. That's hurt the passing game.

Zorn's schemes with last years' offensive personnel would actually have been likely more effective than Saunders' schemes. Not a whole lot more, generally scheme isn't worth that much. This team badly needs a Keenan McCardell.

But Campbell is better than last year, which is what really, really needed to get out of this year. Those saying he's regressed probably should go look at a stat sheet or something.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;511961]He has loss the offense for sure. That happened when Portis spoke out. [/quote]

If Zorn gets fired, it will not be due to final record.
It will because of leadership ability.
The fact that Zorn did not give Portis a major smackdown screams of a leadership problem.....could anyone imagine that happening with Parcells?

Why do you all think Dallas is a mess?
You got it....Head Coaching leadership issues.

Its been several years of HC leadership respect building since Gibbs took over from Spurrier. This Portis fiasco was the first test showing who is really in control.....unfortunately, it is the players.
You can't win with that setup....even if none of your players are jerks like we are blessed to have.

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I love this team and love them no matter what, however is Cowher is the answer and would Cowher even want to come to Washington?

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[quote=GTripp0012;511983]But he hasn't failed in bringing along Jason Campbell. Most of the reason his schemes have been ineffective, is that Devin Thomas has seen 30+ targets, and he generally doesn't know what to do. That's hurt the passing game.

Zorn's schemes with last years' offensive personnel would actually have been likely more effective than Saunders' schemes. Not a whole lot more, generally scheme isn't worth that much. This team badly needs a Keenan McCardell.

But Campbell is better than last year, which is what really, really needed to get out of this year. Those saying he's regressed probably should go look at a stat sheet or something.[/quote]

Tripp,
You make some good point about Campbell being better, but the problem is the rest of the team is worse...in almost every category.
Special teams, defense, particularly schemes the last 2 games early on.
D line, O line, penalties....yes Portis has done well, but that has more to do with his offseason program and individual achievement.. what I mean is his runs are not due to gaping holes or anything. Last years holes were far better.

So...if Zorn has made moderate progress with a QB...isn't he really a QB coach with a Head Coach clipboard?

What he needs to be is a HEAD COACH, with QB coaching skills on the side, not vice versa.

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[quote=skinsnut;511989]Tripp,
You make some good point about Campbell being better, but the problem is the rest of the team is worse...in almost every category.
Special teams, defense, particularly schemes the last 2 games early on.
D line, O line, penalties....yes Portis has done well, but that has more to do with his offseason program and individual achievement.. what I mean is his runs are not due to gaping holes or anything. Last years holes were far better.

So...if Zorn has made moderate progress with a QB[B]...isn't he really a QB coach with a Head Coach clipboard?[/B]

What he needs to be is a HEAD COACH, with QB coaching skills on the side, not vice versa.[/quote]

Yeah, that appears to be the multi-million dollar question. One I'm scared to answer.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511900]I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.[/quote]

The team has not quit!!! We have too many high character guys on this team to say stupid crap like that.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;511987]I love this team and love them no matter what, however is Cowher is the answer and would Cowher even want to come to Washington?[/quote]

What I'd like if Cowher took over:

He'd build up the lines...a perfect match for us
We'd play with FIRE...another perfect match

What I wouldn't like
Playcalling would be run heavy....a good match if we upgraded Oline
He'd neglect the passing game....would neglect Moss
We'd probably move to a 3-4...bad, we're short of quality DT, NT and LB

Overall question mark would be....who's GM.
If you fix that, everything gets better in 2-3 years regardless of coach.

Question:
How would you rate FO this year?
Most gave great review of draft early on (except TE)

I say, out of 10 picks, they have all essentially sucked, except Horton.
(even a squirrel finds a nut occasionally)
To hang a hat on that is not saying much.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511845]Why is it that everyone blames Zorn and not the FO (Vinny) look at teams with rookie coaches and the men behind the scenes in the FO. Atlanta (Demetriov), Miami (Parcells), Baltimore (Newsome) and Washington (Cerrato). This is the difference. Dan Snyder if you are reading this board do us all a favor and fire Vinny or hire him as your chauffeur, butler, cook whatever, anything but GM of the Washington Redskins.[/quote]

I'm not one to say that Zorn needs to go. But his offense sucks so bad it's not even funny. All the checking down and short passes that are not beyond the first down makers are just plain bad coaching. He's calling screens and sweeps on the last drive when we need to be throwing it in the damn end zone. I almost threw my beer at my TV. He does that shit over and over again. He's running Moss on these stupid ass slants and Moss isn't that type of WR. Put Kelly in if you want to throw freakin slants. It's just sooooo many little things I see that makes this offense a pile of garbage.

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[quote=skinsnut;511994]What I'd like if Cowher took over:

Overall question mark would be....who's GM.
If you fix that, everything gets better in 2-3 years regardless of coach.

[/quote]

Cowher serves as the team GM. In short he would hypothetically wield the same power Marty had during his season in Washington.

re: D.C. Examiner: Zorn's job in jeopardy? (not so fast he's coming back)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;512000]I'm not one to say that Zorn needs to go. But his offense sucks so bad it's not even funny. [B]All the checking down and short passes that are not beyond the first down makers are just plain bad coaching.[/B] He's calling screens and sweeps on the last drive when we need to be throwing it in the damn end zone. I almost threw my beer at my TV. He does that shit over and over again. He's running Moss on these stupid ass slants and Moss isn't that type of WR. Put Kelly in if you want to throw freakin slants. It's just sooooo many little things I see that makes this offense a pile of garbage.[/quote]Okay, so you have a roll out to Devin Thomas, who is supposed to run a hitch past the marker, runs it too short, and drops the ball anyway. What's Zorn's error here (multiple choice style!):

A) That he should have told Devin Thomas to go past the marker (has the kid ever seen a football before)
B) That he should not have been throwing the ball to Devin Thomas in a 3rd and short (even though we would have a bunch of "where are the rookies" threads even had we won)
C) That he should not have been throwing a rollout at all (even though you just two days ago called for more rollouts in the offense)
D) All of the above

I agree that it's a bunch of little things, but we can't act like Zorn's not making any adjustments. Perhaps you just can't sustain offense with this group of WRs.