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[quote=GTripp0012;668500]Hank Fraley released, which adds a legit name to the center's market, if not a half-decent football player.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/fraley-gets-his-walking-papers/]Fraley gets his walking papers | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

And is from Gaithersburg

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Boy is Rogers a crybaby. If Hands of Stone had played better he would have earned an extension a while ago.

Hell, a pick 6 in Seattle would have made him a legend but he literally dropped the ball.

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My guess is that even thought Rogers was tendered that he will be traded for a 3rd and another lower pick. He's unhappy and the Skins don't want to keep an unhappy player. Maybe Rogers for Cromartie?

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or maybe they tell him to shut the hell up, stop whining and go earn a contract, and he listens... wishful thinking I guess.

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[quote=Lotus;668476]Is it not true that the Colts (for just one example) try to build from within? It seems to me that the Colts rarely make big free agent splashes. They draft folks, develop them, and then at least try to pay them for services rendered over time. To be fair, they don't pay everyone and a number of Colts have walked to other teams. But, in general, rather than shopping outside of the organization for free agents, they try to draft people, develop them, and then give them market-value second contracts whenever possible. Such a dynamic rewards player loyalty with organizational loyalty. Is this not true?[/quote]

Face it we're the Real Madrid of the NFL. Read over this and tell me if this sounds familiar.

[url=http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=665183&cc=5901]Alonso deal ends Real Madrid spending spree, says Valdano - Transfers - ESPN Soccernet[/url]

[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6486341.ece]Florentino Perez defends Real Madrid's spending spree on Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo | European Football - Times Online[/url]

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Jet's are extremely interested in Antonio Cromartie

Antre Rolle is asking for $8 million a year which is more than Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed, and Adrian Wilson.

And the Cardinals are shopping Boldin for a 3rd round pick, the catch is that he wants a new big deal which the team willing to trade their 3rd has to get him or else he'll be pissed.

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3rd rounder for Boldin is good if a team has the money to throw him a new deal

bmore maybe

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[quote=tryfuhl;668681]3rd rounder for Boldin is good if a team has the money to throw him a new deal

bmore maybe[/quote]

It starts with a 3rd rounder but he'll most likely end up going for a second. It's kind of like the $20 auction game. At the beginning a person puts a $20 bill up for auction for people to bid. The catch is the highest and second highest bid have to pay. Everyone starts out bidding but eventually the bid gets above $20 and people start thinking about minimizing their losses. I learned about that in "How to negotiate Rationally."
[url=http://benbyerly.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/the-20-auction-and-the-dynamics-of-conflict/]The $20 auction and the dynamics of conflict « Confluence: Ben Byerly's Muddy Mix[/url]

[quote]By the time the auction reaches $19, most bidders drop out. The person who had bid $18 will invariably bid $20 to break even. Presumably, that would bring the auction to a close, right? Wrong! One professor who utilized the Dollar Auction as a teaching tool for more than 20 years said that the bidding will usually continue well past the $20 mark.

Consider this case in point, a day the professor will never forget. He used the dollar auction while teaching a course for executives in organizational behavior. At the end, the “winner” paid $54 for the twenty dollar bill. The loser paid $53. The rest of the class watched the futile bidding war with bewilderment and glee. (Proceeds would be donated to charity).[/quote]

So whats the point? Well when you have an attractive barter chip and it starts out at a low price more people are willing to take a long hard look at it, eventually more bidders leads to an increased price. In short, asking for a third rounder in exchange for Boldin is very smart.

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Boldin for a 3rd Denver wants a 1st for Brandon Marshall, and both want new contracts.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668405]Just over 32 hours now. Not that I'm counting.[/quote]

I agree I am not counting either!















(just over 16 hours to go though)

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[quote=skinsfan69;668418]We need to give up the 1st rounder and try and make a run at this punk.[/quote]

No thanks Vinny

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/03/03/free.agents/index.html?xid=si_nfl]Where Julius Peppers, Darren Sproles, NFL free agents will sign - Don Banks - SI.com[/url]

[B]Julius Peppers, defensive end[/B]

[B]Where he will sign: Washington[/B] -- The Redskins are poised to come after the ex-Panthers franchise player with their go-to combination of [B]Daniel Snyder[/B]'s private jet and a Brink's truck, which seems to work every time. Washington has been signing the biggest available fish in free agency for so long now we really can't remember when the Redskins weren't the market setters.
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[B]Darren Sproles, running back[/B]

[B]Where he will sign: Washington[/B] -- The Chargers came to the conclusion that as a situational back, Sproles wasn't worth the $7 million-plus price tag he was in line for if they tendered him as a restricted free agent. But [B]Mike Shanahan[/B] covets him from his days competing against San Diego in the AFC West, and the Redskins have been known to overpay for skill players in free agency ([B]Antwaan Randle El[/B] and [B]Brandon Lloyd[/B] come to mind).
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[quote=Buster;668740][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/03/03/free.agents/index.html?xid=si_nfl]Where Julius Peppers, Darren Sproles, NFL free agents will sign - Don Banks - SI.com[/url]

[B]Julius Peppers, defensive end[/B]

[B]Where he will sign: Washington[/B] -- The Redskins are poised to come after the ex-Panthers franchise player with their go-to combination of [B]Daniel Snyder[/B]'s private jet and a Brink's truck, which seems to work every time. Washington has been signing the biggest available fish in free agency for so long now we really can't remember when the Redskins weren't the market setters.
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[B]Darren Sproles, running back[/B]

[B]Where he will sign: Washington[/B] -- The Chargers came to the conclusion that as a situational back, Sproles wasn't worth the $7 million-plus price tag he was in line for if they tendered him as a restricted free agent. But [B]Mike Shanahan[/B] covets him from his days competing against San Diego in the AFC West, and the Redskins have been known to overpay for skill players in free agency ([B]Antwaan Randle El[/B] and [B]Brandon Lloyd[/B] come to mind).
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My dog could have written this article.

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^^ That's the truth ^^

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[quote=Mattyk;668724]No thanks Vinny[/quote]

lol. I'd rather have Marshall than over paying for a underachieving 30 year old DE that doesn't care about football.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668745]My dog could have written this article.[/quote]

Not agreeing with it, just passing along the predictions. I'd prefer Dansby and Chester Taylor.

SI writers typically are crap...no breaking news there.

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Ok I have a question for anyone who may know the answer.

What will happen next year with all of the tendered players? You can only recieve the tender once correct? So all of these guys who do not sign long term deals will become UFAs at the end of the 2010 season. Is this correct?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668590]Face it we're the Real Madrid of the NFL. Read over this and tell me if this sounds familiar.

[url=http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=665183&cc=5901]Alonso deal ends Real Madrid spending spree, says Valdano - Transfers - ESPN Soccernet[/url]

[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6486341.ece]Florentino Perez defends Real Madrid's spending spree on Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo | European Football - Times Online[/url][/quote]

Except that Real Madrid is more successful than we are. :)

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The Rams are reportedly "seriously considering" placing the lowest possible tender on restricted free agent FS O.J. Atogwe.

The tender is called "right of first refusal," and would allow St. Louis to match any offer sheet Atogwe receives, but give the team no draft pick in return.

The Skins have coveted this guy for years,with no compensation to sign him, its a NO BRAINER he is the best FA FS.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;668774]The Rams are reportedly "seriously considering" placing the lowest possible tender on restricted free agent FS O.J. Atogwe.

The tender is called "right of first refusal," and would allow St. Louis to match any offer sheet Atogwe receives, but give the team no draft pick in return.

The Skins have coveted this guy for years,with no compensation to sign him, its a NO BRAINER he is the best FA FS.[/quote]

I haven't done much research on him but if he truly is the best FA FS, why wouldn't they want some compensation?

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Well if he was coveted by us before Haslett got here then I am sure he still is.

Just heard on NFL radio though that they have until June to make on an offer to him. There is some kind of clause in the CBA the NFL will be working off of come tommorrow. So I wouldn't expect the news on him to come down anytime soon.

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[quote=Buster;668749]Not agreeing with it, just passing along the predictions. I'd prefer Dansby and Chester Taylor.

SI writers typically are crap...no breaking news there.[/quote]

Somebody posted this article somewhere else. The part about Sproles killed me. Banks says that he SHOULD sign with the Eagles, even though the reasons why that he listed are the same reasons why he should come to Washington (change of pace back, return game, etc., etc.)

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Matt Mosely is ahead of the curve when it comes to speculation concerning the Redskins. Instead of talking about Snyder making moves he mentions Shanahan. Personally I'm tired of the media making it look like Snyder is running the personnel side of things at this point in time. Only problem with Mosley though is no mention of Allen who will probably be putting together the contracts.

[quote]"This is a difficult team to get a grasp on in terms of what they might do in free agency, but I think it is safe to say that ownership will not hold Mike Shanahan and company back from opening up the check book and signing (and even overpaying) players whom they desire. ... The Redskins have a long wish list, but also have the ownership to endorse big spending when free agency opens."[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668853]Matt Mosely is ahead of the curve when it comes to speculation concerning the Redskins. Instead of talking about Snyder making moves he mentions Shanahan. Personally I'm tired of the media making it look like Snyder is running the personnel side of things at this point in time. Only problem with Mosley though is no mention of Allen who will probably be putting together the contracts.[/quote]

Agreed. It's like give the team the benefit of the doubt. There has obviously been a major overhaul in the front office, and two people (BA and MS) have been given the power to make all football decisions. You would imagine that some things may be changing, and that maybe they should used the same overused cliche's they've used on this team for the past 10 years.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668853]Matt Mosely is ahead of the curve when it comes to speculation concerning the Redskins. Instead of talking about Snyder making moves he mentions Shanahan. Personally I'm tired of the media making it look like Snyder is running the personnel side of things at this point in time. Only problem with Mosley though is no mention of Allen who will probably be putting together the contracts.[/quote]

Well, it has always been said that Shanny has the final say so in a way he is pretty accurate.

I have no doubt that this is Shanahan's show with Bruce Allen offering plenty of input along with handling the fiscal side, and Snyder being consulted on the dollar amount that can conceivably be commited to players.

That does not seem like a dysfunctional process to me. Isn't this now New England does it?

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[quote=Buster;668749]Not agreeing with it, just passing along the predictions. I'd prefer Dansby and Chester Taylor.

[B]SI writers typically are crap...no breaking news there.[/B][/quote]

Even though last year Peter King was the one to say that he believed that the Redskins would end up getting Haynesworth.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/redskins-tender-offensive-line.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins tender offensive lineman Will Montgomery[/url]

Interesting how almost everyone never thought about keeping Will Montgomery on our roster list..

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There are rumors that the Rams will give Atogwe the lowest tender (no draft picks required)...any idea if he would fit our FS needs?

[url=http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2010/03/a-lowball-offer-for-atogwe/]A “lowball” offer for Atogwe? | Rams Report | STLtoday[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;668862][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/redskins-tender-offensive-line.html"]Redskins Insider - Redskins tender offensive lineman Will Montgomery[/URL]

Interesting how almost everyone never thought about keeping Will Montgomery on our roster list..[/quote]


They will franchise big Mike at any minute!!!! ;-)

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Good article by Reid about why we should get Dansby...

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/karlos-dansby-might-be-best-fi.html#more]Redskins Insider - Karlos Dansby might be best fit for Redskins in free agency[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;668865]Good article by Reid about why we should get Dansby...

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/karlos-dansby-might-be-best-fi.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Karlos Dansby might be best fit for Redskins in free agency[/URL][/quote]

He does sound like a good fit. We definitely need a linebacker or two if we are pushing Lorenzo to become an LB.

How about Lorenzo? This guy is insane... He has played OL, DT, DE and now an LB? Can he play Qb?

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If we do sign Dansby, it seems like the idea there would be that the long term contract we are giving him would be the long term deal that McIntosh should get.

On principle, I am against this. But in reality, Dansby is a better anchor on the interior than McIntosh will be, and great 3-4 ILBs are always in high demand. It would not be a bad move.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668863]There are rumors that the Rams will give Atogwe the lowest tender (no draft picks required)...any idea if he would fit our FS needs?

[URL="http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2010/03/a-lowball-offer-for-atogwe/"]A “lowball” offer for Atogwe? | Rams Report | STLtoday[/URL][/quote]He isn't great, but he would fill the need.

They still hold right of first refusal, and Atogwe is not the kind of player I would poison pill anything for. St. Louis will let him walk if the offer is decent enough.

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[quote=GridIron26;668862][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/redskins-tender-offensive-line.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins tender offensive lineman Will Montgomery[/url]

Interesting how almost everyone never thought about keeping Will Montgomery on our roster list..[/quote]

Thought he got worse as the season wore on...IMO not a good move, kinda surprised

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[quote=GTripp0012;668868]If we do sign Dansby, it seems like the idea there would be that the long term contract we are giving him would be the long term deal that McIntosh should get.

On principle, I am against this. But in reality, Dansby is a better anchor on the interior than McIntosh will be, and great 3-4 ILBs are always in high demand. It would not be a bad move.[/quote]

i dont see how signing one necessarily precludes the other. my plan would be to sign Dansby to a long-term deal this year, then sign McIntosh next year, if he successfully adapts to the 3-4. I dont think this will be Fletcher's last year by any means, but he can't keep going forever.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;668880]i dont see how signing one necessarily precludes the other. my plan would be to sign Dansby to a long-term deal this year, then sign McIntosh next year, if he successfully adapts to the 3-4. I dont think this will be Fletcher's last year by any means, but he can't keep going forever.[/quote]There's nothing preventing us from doing what you are suggesting, but there's really no reason to sign Dansby unless it's determined that McIntosh is an inferior player. I think his tender offer suggests such a conclusion.

I imagine the guy who replaces Fletcher in the defense will be Blades or someone younger than Blades. I don't like the idea of having two ILBs around the same age and experience level, because if they happen to decline at the same time, you have a gaping hole in the middle of your defense at a position that won't really show up on film to be discovered.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668868]If we do sign Dansby, it seems like the idea there would be that the long term contract we are giving him would be the long term deal that McIntosh should get.

On principle, I am against this. But in reality, Dansby is a better anchor on the interior than McIntosh will be, and great 3-4 ILBs are always in high demand. It would not be a bad move.[/quote]

So we are possibly looking at these possible LB lineups...

Peppers OLB, Rocky ILB, Fletch ILB, and Orakpo OLB

or

Somebody OLB, Dansby ILB, Fletch ILB, and Orakpo OLB

Which one would you take Tripp?

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The latter option has fewer holes. I don't like the ILB combination in the first option. So I would take the second.

Peppers and Orakpo are quite the dominant OLB tandem, though Alexander/Wilson and Orakpo aren't a bad deal at all.

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I dont know how Blades would hold up as a 3-4 ILB. Sure, Fletcher is undersized and has done well as a 4-3 MLB, but even he's questionable to hold up well as a 3-4 ILB. I'm not saying Blades couldn't do it, i just wouldnt count on it. But i get what youre saying about not wanting two guys with the same age and experience level.

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Maybe we should look at Hank Fraley as a Center option.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/hankfraley/profile?id=FRA036253]Hank Fraley[/url]