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This video is not getting lost. Watch it damnit and appreciate the irony. And also appreciate my "lets sign T.O. joke." Stinking threads going 200 mph

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[quote=SBXVII;682184]Yeah, Sanchez didn't have an impact. Stafford didn't have an impact. Eli didn't have an impact his first year. So on and so forth.[/quote]


I don't know how you measure Stafford's impact, but I'm going with wins. And Sanchez had the best defense in the NFL, still he had a very uneven season.

Look, I don't want to take anything away from those guys, but when you look at the QBs coming into this league on the whole, those you cited are the exception, not the rule.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682180]Interesting theory I think Mechanix had on using McNabb to move to #1 to get Bradford. Don't see it happening though.

Major props to Jay Glazer for being on top of this. He's one of the best in the biz. I shouldn't have doubted him.

I don't know yet how I feel about this. I have a great deal of respect for McNabb, but I'm concerned that this could mean good-bye for Sexy Rexy! Seriously though, I think McNabb has two to three strong years left in him. And hopefully here he'll get the run support he didn't get in Philly. I gotta think they're still looking at a QB toward the later rounds though.

I'm not usually too surprised by moves the Redskins make since I generally get a heads up on things that are brewing. I would say, with very little hesitation, that I have never been as surprised about a Redskins move in the last 10 years as this one.

[B]So, do we like this better than getting Cutler last year?[/B][/quote]

In that context yes I guess.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682180]Interesting theory I think Mechanix had on using McNabb to move to #1 to get Bradford. Don't see it happening though.

Major props to Jay Glazer for being on top of this. He's one of the best in the biz. I shouldn't have doubted him.

I don't know yet how I feel about this. I have a great deal of respect for McNabb, but I'm concerned that this could mean good-bye for Sexy Rexy! Seriously though, I think McNabb has two to three strong years left in him. And hopefully here he'll get the run support he didn't get in Philly. I gotta think they're still looking at a QB toward the later rounds though.

I'm not usually too surprised by moves the Redskins make since I generally get a heads up on things that are brewing. I would say, with very little hesitation, that I have never been as surprised about a Redskins move in the last 10 years as this one.

So, do we like this better than getting Cutler last year?[/quote]This is a better trade than Cutler because we didn't pay the ridiculous compensation for the player.

But the principle mistake of assuming that the grass is always greener on the other side hasn't changed.

Still, landing a top offensive tackle at No. 4 can make our offense greatly improved no matter who is behind center (McNabb, Campbell doesn't really matter).

Where this trade is a killer is in future seasons when McNabb simply isn't good enough to be an NFL quarterback, but we give him a Delhomme type extension. The 2010 Redskins probably aren't any better or worse off, the 2011-2013 Redskins are a LOT worse off now than they were yesterday.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682173]Why would ANY team give us anything major for Campbell now. Maybe before we could say oh, we will just keep him. Now, if we don't trade him... wow,

:vomit:[/quote]
Yeah that's why I posted that I figured that we had to have a deal pretty much in place or we were stuck.. unless some team misses their first couple of QB options in the draft

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I see us drafting Okung now, OR trading down and getting more picks as well as Charles Brown. I also think that we DON'T Draft a QB this year, But next year.

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Sad face, no one will appreciate the McNabb video :(

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[quote=CultBrennan59;682207]I see us drafting Okung now, OR trading down and getting more picks as well as Charles Brown. I also think that we DON'T Draft a QB this year, But next year.[/quote]

No, we'll draft a QB and Colt Brennan will be gone.

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[quote=GMScud;682146]I must say this is very reminiscent of a Snyder move. Giving up a high draft pick for a big name vet past his prime.

McNabb notoriously underthrows receivers and can't create with his feet anymore. In fact I'd argue that JC is more mobile that DM right now. Unless that line gets a ton better, we've come nowhere with this. I wonder what all the lovers would be saying if it was Cerrato who made this same move?

I'm still undecided, but I'm leaning towards not really liking this, especially since we'll probably give him a lucrative extension as well. With this move, I now forsee at least a few current players traded before the draft.[/quote]

Several current players have been shopped around for weeks now. I'm not sure the trade changed that much.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682180]Interesting theory I think Mechanix had on using McNabb to move to #1 to get Bradford. Don't see it happening though.

Major props to Jay Glazer for being on top of this. He's one of the best in the biz. I shouldn't have doubted him.

I don't know yet how I feel about this. I have a great deal of respect for McNabb, but I'm concerned that this could mean good-bye for Sexy Rexy! Seriously though, I think McNabb has two to three strong years left in him. And hopefully here he'll get the run support he didn't get in Philly. I gotta think they're still looking at a QB toward the later rounds though.

I'm not usually too surprised by moves the Redskins make since I generally get a heads up on things that are brewing. I would say, with very little hesitation, that I have never been as surprised about a Redskins move in the last 10 years as this one.

So, do we like this better than getting Cutler last year?[/quote]
love how all of the mods on the other board were shitting all over the poster that mentioned the speculation/rumor and then when details came out they were saying that it was old news and not relevant now

I mean I didn't think it'd go down either but the guys act like they work in the building haha

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[quote=Mattyk;682191]We'll have to agree to disagree in regard to injuries. Again they haven't been a major issue for him since his knee in 2006.

Is there a rookie in the 2nd that was going to give us the same impact as McNabb?

Why would he only be here one year?[/quote]

Doesn't he have only one year left on his deal? If the Vikings gig was available in 2011, wouldn't you take it??

Yeah it cracks me up I'm totally new here and I've already gotten into 2 disagreements with the administrator. Gotta give me props for not coming in and just kissing up though :)
I live in DE and listen to a lot of Philly sports radio (I'm a Phillies/76ers fan)... and a lot of the complaints in Philly are that after 2 injury plagued seasons in a row, he started playing safe and lost his edge that would win more games. I dunno man.

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I hope Kolb gets hurt. Then the Eagles are really screwed. All of their amazing QB depth is totally gone. Michael Vick is garbage.

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I love it! I really wanted Clausen, so I've lost out on that, but McNabb instantly makes us a contender!

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Thank christ...we gave up the second and a third or fourth next year, pretty fair for both involved. I am just thanking our lucky stars we didn't send this years 1 and next years 1 or something like what Vinny would have proposed.

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His best buddy T.O. is still out there. Might as well pick him up too if we are trying to make a run at it this year. They are friends again.

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But I guess we can all root for a lockout to save us from ourselves.

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[quote=SmootSmack;682211]Several current players have been shopped around for weeks now. [B]I'm not sure the trade changed that much[/B].[/quote]

Well, I think losing our 2nd rounder increases the urgency to acquire more picks in this year's draft. Drafting McNabb as a 2 or 3 year band-aid doesn't change our need for a QB of the future, and we still need plenty of help in other areas.

I forsee any combination of the following players traded: Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, Laron Landry, and Chris Cooley.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682208]Sad face, no one will appreciate the McNabb video :([/quote]

i appreciate it :)

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[quote=12thMan;682175]I don't get the logic of some not wanting to bring McNabb here, but wanting us to draft a rookie that wouldn't have an impact doesn't make sense to me.

The fact remains, there will be quarterbacks available in the draft from now until eternity.[/quote]

Thats a great point. Some people just will complain no matter what. I am not for or against it. Just take a wait and see approach. But I tell you this, I'll take McNabb over EVERY QB in the draft this season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682204]This is a better trade than Cutler because we didn't pay the ridiculous compensation for the player.

But the principle mistake of assuming that the grass is always greener on the other side hasn't changed.

Still, landing a top offensive tackle at No. 4 can make our offense greatly improved no matter who is behind center (McNabb, Campbell doesn't really matter).

Where this trade is a killer is in future seasons when McNabb simply isn't good enough to be an NFL quarterback, but we give him a Delhomme type extension. The 2010 Redskins probably aren't any better or worse off, the 2011-2013 Redskins are a LOT worse off now than they were yesterday.[/quote]
even if we draft a good QB next year? You think McNabb is only good for one more season?

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[quote=GTripp0012;682219]But I guess we can all root for a lockout to save us from ourselves.[/quote]
world is over in 2012, happy now?

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[quote=12thMan;682182]I'll measure this trade by one statistic: How many games we win with McNabb as starter. That's it. If we get two playoff seasons out of him, then it was well worth it.[/quote]

Given the price of the deal, yeah it might be worth it. I thought that getting McNabb would be more expensive.

It is already difficult and surreal to root for McNabb, but I must try.

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So what about JC? they must have a team thats showing interest to do this. I would think so anyways.

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[quote=MattsRiff;682213]Doesn't he have only one year left on his deal? If the Vikings gig was available in 2011, wouldn't you take it??

Yeah it cracks me up I'm totally new here and I've already gotten into 2 disagreements with the administrator. Gotta give me props for not coming in and just kissing up though :)
I live in DE and listen to a lot of Philly sports radio (I'm a Phillies/76ers fan)... and a lot of the complaints in Philly are that after 2 injury plagued seasons in a row, he started playing safe and lost his edge that would win more games. I dunno man.[/quote]
there's not really much to add-on to what he's saying, or else other people would be arguing it as well

congrats on your perceived honor though

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;682223]Thats a great point. Some people just will complain no matter what. I am not for or against it. Just take a wait and see approach. But I tell you this, [B]I'll take McNabb over EVERY QB in the draft this season[/B].[/quote]

Good point. If it came down to Shanahan not wanting Campbell at all then I think this trade is better than drafting one of this year's QB's.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682204]This is a better trade than Cutler because we didn't pay the ridiculous compensation for the player.

But the principle mistake of assuming that the grass is always greener on the other side hasn't changed.

Still, landing a top offensive tackle at No. 4 can make our offense greatly improved no matter who is behind center (McNabb, Campbell doesn't really matter).

Where this trade is a killer is in future seasons when McNabb simply isn't good enough to be an NFL quarterback, but we give him a Delhomme type extension. The 2010 Redskins probably aren't any better or worse off, the 2011-2013 Redskins are a LOT worse off now than they were yesterday.[/quote]

Are you saying Campbell is as good as Mcnabb ? I hope not. U sound like a Philly fan. Mcnabb never gets the respect he deserves.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682208]Sad face, no one will appreciate the McNabb video :([/quote]

I saw it, saw the irony, and made me :vomit: but that's been my theme for the night...

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;682228]So what about JC? they must have a team thats showing interest to do this. I would think so anyways.[/quote]
that's what I'm predicting

like I said it'd probably kill his value otherwise

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[quote=SBXVII;682218]His best buddy T.O. is still out there. Might as well pick him up too if we are trying to make a run at it this year. They are friends again.[/quote]

NOOOO! YOU ARE NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR MY JOKE!!!! I said that first MEEEEE. This forum is about ME!!!!! ME ME ME!!! I LOVE ME SOME ME!!!

[quote=CRedskinsRule;682233]I saw it, saw the irony, and made me vomit but that's been my theme for the night...[/quote]

Thank you. If I was already dead I could finally head off towards the light. Be careful though with the vommiting. If you keep doing that you won't live long enough to see McNabb win a Super Bowl with us :D And my long enough I mean 3 or 4 years.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;682228]So what about JC? they must have a team thats showing interest to do this. I would think so anyways.[/quote]

Yeah, but unless you've already got an agreement in place, JC's trade value takes a big hit. If there already is an agreement why not go ahead and make the announcement?

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I'll admit McNabb is better then JC at reading defenses but otherwise he's a lateral move. He and JC are about equal in stats and McNabb had a better OL. I'll always take the younger guy.

Make a trade Shanny and move up to #1 for Bradford.

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[quote=Lotus;682227]Given the price of the deal, yeah it might be worth it. I thought that getting McNabb would be more expensive.

It is already difficult and surreal to root for McNabb, but I must try.[/quote]

I don't have to root for him till September. At that point I will be over it, but for now, I am hoping this all works in some mysterious triple reverse, back flip, flee flicker that results in us having 10 picks this year, plus Bradford and Okung.

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Thats my quarterback!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682173]Why would ANY team give us anything major for Campbell now. Maybe before we could say oh, we will just keep him. Now, if we don't trade him... wow,

:vomit:[/quote]

No one's wanted to give us anything for Campbell for a while now.

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[quote=SBXVII;682238]I'll admit McNabb is better then JC at reading defenses but otherwise he's a lateral move. He and JC are about equal in stats and McNabb had a better OL. I'll always take the younger guy.

Make a trade Shanny and move up to #1 for Bradford.[/quote]

Now that we don't need a QB I'm going to just start addressing Bradford as Alex Smith.

[quote=SmootSmack;682242]No one's wanted to give us anything for Campbell for a while now.[/quote]

Hey you told us that we weren't trading for McNabb. I feel like I don't even know you anymore, even though technically I don't know you, but I feel like......hey bumper cars.

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if i'm not mistaken didnt Sonny get traded back in 64' from Philly to the Skins. Universe repeating itself ;-)

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It's almost a given that we're going to draft a QB at some point. But there's no question they are assembling a win now team.

It may be new management, but the goal has remained the same. I concur with the idea we might move Cooley and Campbell soon.

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[quote=tryfuhl;682226]world is over in 2012, happy now?[/quote]Not soon enough ;)

The 2010 Redskins aren't worse with McNabb than Campbell, but I mean, no evidence I can find suggests they are better (like, meaningfully so). And with that in mind, the only thing this does is takes a bold risk where perhaps a more conservative draft building approach would have sufficed.

I think McNabb is a better fit here than plenty of the alternatives, but the bottom line is that we're buying name recognition. The big move comes at No. 4, as this is insignificant to that.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682208]Sad face, no one will appreciate the McNabb video :([/quote]

Ha, I appreciate the irony. Although now I'm holding my breath for redskins chunky soup commercials...

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Stupid, stupid, stupid. McNabb doesn't necessarily make us a contender automatically. He couldn't get the job done last season with a superior WR corp than we have. We needed that #37 pick to shore up the line or get a possible new franchise QB. It is a gutsy move and I like it, but I don't think Donovan is such a head and shoulders imrprovement over JC since our team is inferior to Philly in many depts.