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[quote=skinsfaninok;1017122]I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. [B]I mean if he tears it again then what?[/B] Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.[/quote]

Do you really want to go there? If he tears it again, it would possibly be the end of a would-have-been brilliant career. For the next 25 years, Redskins fans would talk about what could have been, just like with #21. We would probably never find a replacement who could run the offense as well as RG3. But you're right, it's best not to worry about it. :(

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Funny man on the street stuff featuring Ryan Kerrigan..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1017122]I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. I mean if he tears it again then what? Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.[/quote]

I agree 100 percent. Everyone is so worried about it. The doctors cleared him to play. He looks like he's ready to go. Let the kid take all the reps with the first team and let him get ready for the season. I'd put him out there the 3rd pre season game and let him play a half. Time to move on from the injury.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017121]He's had no OTA reps, no pre season games and they're not even letting him do 11 on 11. What's he doing to get himself ready to play 16 games? 7 on 7 and little throwing drills on the side? To me that's going overboard on the side of caution. I expect him to be rusty the first few weeks. We're still talking about a very young player, not an established vet. They should at least let the kid do 11 on 11, which is the closest thing to a game simulation.[/quote]

Can't blame them for being cautious. He's still barely 6 months post surgery.

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I'm Just saying, it's getting old. It's almost as bad as the D.ROSE Situation in Chi. I watched Griff's pressure today and all they asked about was his knee.... Gets old

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1017122]I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. I mean if he tears it again then what? Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.[/quote]

I can't help but wonder if Vikings fans worry/worried about AP like we do Griff.

AP tore his ACL and MCL and and came back to have a MVP year last season. And played through a sports hernia last year through the second half of the season.

I know we want to be careful with RGIII, as he's our bread and butter, but it seems like an awful lot of fans are trying to coddle the guy.

If RGIII says his knee is good and he's ready to play and the coaches agree, I think I'm gonna go with that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017125]I agree 100 percent. Everyone is so worried about it. The doctors cleared him to play. He looks like he's ready to go. Let the kid take all the reps with the first team and let him get ready for the season. I'd put him out there the 3rd pre season game and let him play a half. Time to move on from the injury.[/quote]

And when he gets injured in a meaningless exhibition game who gets the heat? Not skinsfan69...

I think this guy's good enough to play himself into game shape in games that count. Playing him just to get some rep's is just not worth it.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1017129]And when he gets injured in a meaningless exhibition game who gets the heat? Not skinsfan69...

I think this guy's good enough to play himself into game shape in games that count. Playing him just to get some rep's is just not worth it.[/quote]

Totally agree.

For all the heat the team got just 6 months ago I find it hard to understand people that want to just toss him right back out there vs easing him back in. Crazy.

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[quote=SirLK26;1017117]How many times can a knee take an ACL injury before it becomes too many? I'm not trying to inject doom into this thread; I really want to know.[/quote]

[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23605223]Outcomes of repeat revision anterior cruciat... [Am J Sports Med. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI[/url]

Repeat revision ACL reconstruction may improve the functional outcomes of patients who have failed revision ACL reconstruction. Most patients do not return to prior activity level following repeat revision. Presence of grade 3 or 4 chondral lesions and body mass index greater than 28 were associated with worse outcomes.

i read another article as well, citing to this same study .. apparently there are not enough patients with multiple ACL revision surgeries to get a study group bigger than the 15 in the above-cited study . . . out of the 15 patients, 27% returned to full functioning (which, to my math comes out to 4.05 patients out of the 15 .. not sure how we end up without a round number)

also, it appears the synthetic material/band is pretty much used for all ACLs now so i assume RG3 had an "allograft" material to act as his ligament so there is no worry about him running out of ligament material but ...... he may run out of surface/bone area of his knee to make any more holes to anchor with. i imagine these holes are micro but still .. he has at least 4 surgical holes in his knee now (im speculating, they might not need to re-anchor? idk).

edit - never mind. it is speculated that RG3 did not use the synthetic band/ligament for his first ACL surgery but they cut out a portion of his patellar tendon.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1477433-a-complete-guide-to-robert-griffin-iiis-knee-injury]A Complete Guide to Robert Griffin III's Knee Injury | Bleacher Report[/url]

^^ good breakdown

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1625877-checking-in-on-robert-griffin-iii-as-he-continues-to-recover-from-knee-surgery]Checking in on Robert Griffin III as He Continues to Recover from Knee Surgery | Bleacher Report[/url]

^^ follow up article.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96M0jRqn7k[/ame]

^^ 4 min video animation of an acl repair. very good. very scary.

ps - i thought for sure that synthetic ligament material was all the rage now but apparently using a piece of the patients own ligament graft is the way to go . .

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1017128]I can't help but wonder if Vikings fans worry/worried about AP like we do Griff.

AP tore his ACL and MCL and and came back to have a MVP year last season. And played through a sports hernia last year through the second half of the season.

I know we want to be careful with RGIII, as he's our bread and butter, but it seems like an awful lot of fans are trying to coddle the guy.

If RGIII says his knee is good and he's ready to play and the coaches agree, I think I'm gonna go with that.[/quote]

They probably worried more than we are, and for better reason. After all, Adrian Peterson is a RB, and, obviously, they're exposed to more dangerous hits than QBs. Peterson was also very important to their offense.

By the way, OTM, thanks.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1017128]I can't help but wonder if Vikings fans worry/worried about AP like we do Griff.

AP tore his ACL and MCL and and came back to have a MVP year last season. And played through a sports hernia last year through the second half of the season.

I know we want to be careful with RGIII, as he's our bread and butter, but it seems like an awful lot of fans are trying to coddle the guy.

If RGIII says his knee is good and he's ready to play and the coaches agree, I think I'm gonna go with that.[/quote]


And honetly Griff's knee shouldn't be much of a factor (not talking about planting to throw) since he's a QB not a RB, AD gets hit every play and was fine. As long as RG3 slides and steps out of bounds he should be ok.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1017129]And when he gets injured in a meaningless exhibition game who gets the heat? Not skinsfan69...

I think this guy's good enough to play himself into game shape in games that count. Playing him just to get some rep's is just not worth it.[/quote]

I can somewhat understand not letting him play pre season, even though I think that's a mistake. Everyone needs a few game reps. I mentioned before that Brady also played pre season after his injury, even though he hurt his knee in Sept the year before. But not even letting him do 11 on 11 in practice? C'mon. That 100% coddling.

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[quote=Mattyk;1017126]Can't blame them for being cautious. He's still barely 6 months post surgery.[/quote]

I think cautions is not letting him play pre season. Otherwise he should be doing everything else.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017138]I can somewhat understand not letting him play pre season, even though I think that's a mistake. Everyone needs a few game reps. I mentioned before that Brady also played pre season after his injury, even though he hurt his knee in Sept the year before. But not even letting him do 11 on 11 in practice? C'mon. That 100% coddling.[/quote]

imo you want to give it as much time as possible for the ligaments, tendons and muscle to re-strengthen and bond.

a slip or an awkward twist of the knee and who knows if it will hold.

i dont see any reason to rush him onto the field as i think this is being rushed anyway. let him take baby steps, let things settle. i dont even mind if he misses the first few games.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017139]I think cautions is not letting him play pre season. Otherwise he should be doing everything else.[/quote]

Like Matty said, it's been barely 6 months since his surgery. I'm glad the team isn't pushing him too far. It would be better to let Cousins start the first several games and make sure RG3 is absolutely ready to go than to let RG3 start and possibly ruin his career. Let's think long-term here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017121]He's had no OTA reps, no pre season games and they're not even letting him do 11 on 11. What's he doing to get himself ready to play 16 games? 7 on 7 and little throwing drills on the side? To me that's going overboard on the side of caution. I expect him to be rusty the first few weeks. We're still talking about a very young player, not an established vet. They should at least let the kid do 11 on 11, which is the closest thing to a game simulation.[/quote]
I am sure he will do 11 on 11's pretty soon. I still wouldn't be surprised to hear he was going to do one series in the final preseason, just to shake it all out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017139]I think cautions is not letting him play pre season. Otherwise he should be doing everything else.[/quote]

Why risk a lineman rolling into him or some other incidental contact?

I don't see the problem with giving him a week or two to ease back into things.

What's the rush? It's still July. A lot of guys wouldn't even be on the field right now. AP was on PUP for the first 2 weeks of camp last year.

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Well one of the smartest considerations I have heard is
"Why risk him in a meaningless game to a Practice squad guy killing it for a starting gig"?
AND.....I doubt any human could find better care and rehab than Robert has received.....

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After how last year ended you want to trust RG3 with what he says about his knee? Please. I still think he's wired to play no matter what and compete, even if it's a pre-season game at 50% (not saying that's what percent he is right now, just that he seems to think he can play under any conditions).

Save him from himself. Let him know the time table in advance. No preseason games so don't get your hopes up. We'll go at it with this time table.

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Watch RG3's press conference, he says over the next few weeks he will be eased in and eventually he will be doing the 11 on 11's so IMO everyone RELAX. HTTR.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1017138]I can somewhat understand not letting him play pre season, even though I think that's a mistake. Everyone needs a few game reps. I mentioned before that Brady also played pre season after his injury, even though he hurt his knee in Sept the year before. But not even letting him do 11 on 11 in practice? C'mon. That 100% coddling.[/quote]

I'm with you, although I don't expect him to do any pre-season.

I feel RG3 will probably start the first regular season game, if not a couple games in.

Otherwise we best pad him in bubble wrap before we let him see the field again. :doh:

Lots of Chicken Littles around here.

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6 weeks til the season opener. Plenty of time to get him up to speed.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1017154]I'm with you, although I don't expect him to do any pre-season.

I feel RG3 will probably start the first regular season game, if not a couple games in.

[B]Otherwise we best pad him in bubble wrap before we let him see the field again.[/B] :doh:

Lots of Chicken Littles around here.[/quote]

Since when did letting him do cutting, among other things, so early after ACL surgery equate to wrapping him in bubble wrap?

He is doing a whole lot more than just about anyone else who has ever torn an ACL at this point in his recovery. Outside of AP, who else has torn an ACL in late Dec. or early Jan. and be on pace to start the season?

When did everyone on a forum learn more about ACL's than the guy who does the surgery and is considered one of the foremost experts on ACL recoveries?

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[quote=Skinzman;1017161][B]Since when did letting him do cutting, among other things, so early after ACL surgery equate to wrapping him in bubble wrap? [/B]

He is doing a whole lot more than just about anyone else who has ever torn an ACL at this point in his recovery. Outside of AP, who else has torn an ACL in late Dec. or early Jan. and be on pace to start the season?

When did everyone on a forum learn more about ACL's than the guy who does the surgery and is considered one of the foremost experts on ACL recoveries?[/quote]

Is that what I said? Because I'm pretty sure I said if he doesn't start after a few games into the regular season.

At that point I think we'd be playing afraid.

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He's going to play wk 1, at least that's the plan barring a setback. Taking things slow is to help ensure he doesn't have that setback. Trust the process folks.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1017162]Is that what I said? Because I'm pretty sure I said if he doesn't start after a few games into the regular season.

At that point I think we'd be playing afraid.[/quote]

You are referring to the ones who say dont play him in preseason and 11 on 11's for the time being as chicken littles. None of us have said to sit him until 2015. Most of us have said the target is to be ready by the first game.

"To that end, Griffin feels he's ready to do more than he is allowed. During the portions of practice devoted to special teams, he goes to a separate field and runs through a scaled-down version of the plays he missed during the 11-on-11s. He said he did get a "little bump-up" in work during Monday morning's walkthrough, but he won't join the 11-on-11 drills in the main practice until next week at the earliest."

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000222961/article/rgiii-endures-operation-patience-at-washington-redskins-camp]RGIII endures 'Operation Patience' at Washington Redskins camp - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Skinzman;1017164]You are referring to the ones who say dont play him in preseason and 11 on 11's for the time being as chicken littles. None of us have said to sit him until 2015. Most of us have said the target is to be ready by the first game.

"To that end, Griffin feels he's ready to do more than he is allowed. During the portions of practice devoted to special teams, he goes to a separate field and runs through a scaled-down version of the plays he missed during the 11-on-11s. He said he did get a "little bump-up" in work during Monday morning's walkthrough, but he won't join the 11-on-11 drills in the main practice until next week at the earliest."

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000222961/article/rgiii-endures-operation-patience-at-washington-redskins-camp]RGIII endures 'Operation Patience' at Washington Redskins camp - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Reading is fundamental.

[I]"I'm with you, although I don't expect him to do any pre-season.

I feel RG3 will probably start the first regular season game, if not a couple games in."[/I]

[B]I[/B] don't even think he'll play pre-season. I think people who are saying he's over exerting himself or endangering himself by doing say, one or two reps the 4th game of pre-season is being a little rash.

Obviously, I'm putting serious emphasis on saying the bubble wrap thing. That's called sarcasm.

I think the guy will do just fine and he's coming along nicely.

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You know, from what I'm hearing from people both at Redskins TC and on Twitter (''the insiders'') I may want to change my roster prediction for CBs and WRs. I think theres a good chance--as of right now-- that Chase Minnifield makes the roster and Devery Henderson/Stallworth/Briscoe/Dawson does not make the roster for that ''6th WR spot''.

So it would be 6 CBs (Hall, Amerson, Wilson, Crawford, Biggers, Minnifield)

and 5 WRs (Garcon, Morgan, Moss, Hankerson, Robinson)

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Well not serious emphasis.

Hm. Serious isn't the word I want. I'm not sure what phrase I want to use there, but Jesus, I was just saying.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1017168]You know, from what I'm hearing from people both at Redskins TC and on Twitter (''the insiders'') I may want to change my roster prediction for CBs and WRs. I think theres a good chance--as of right now-- that Chase Minnifield makes the roster and Devery Henderson/Stallworth/Briscoe/Dawson does not make the roster for that ''6th WR spot''[/quote]

I think we should hold onto Minnifield. I could see Briscoe not making the cut. Didn't he ride the bench all last season? Dawson could easily be a Niles Paul replacement although I feel like they wanna hang onto him for ST purposes.

Just hopefully not kickoff returns.

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Operation Patience in action ;)
[IMG]http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2013/07/29/redskins-camp-footbal_lanc81_s640x559.jpg?afaaaa3a4b69d613908378a37c1c2940b4576c6d[/IMG]

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Watching that Dawson kid run routes eerily reminds me of Victor Cruz a couple years back. I say we keep that kid, he looks like he has some serious slot potential for slot.

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From the Operation Patience article:

[QUOTE]The on-field results have been mixed, though. In 7-on-7 drills Saturday, Griffin overthrew two ‘go’ routes and a post. [B]Observers debate how comfortably he appears to plant on his right leg at the top of his drops.[/B]

“That’s one thing we all pointed out when watching film — after the knee injury, it was a lot harder to plant off the back leg,” Griffin said. “As the games went on, it got a little bit better, a little bit better, until the Seattle game when it got re-hurt.

“That’s one thing that the coaches have been paying attention to. I’ve paid attention to it in rehab, and [B]I feel like I’m past that. I feel like I can plant off my back leg just like I did before the injury[/B].”

Read more: [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/29/rg3-pushing-bounds-operation-patience-workload-red/?page=1#ixzz2aTtMHdNo]RG3 pushing bounds of 'Operation Patience' with workload in Redskins camp - Washington Times[/url]
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Still my biggest fear, it sounds like some are telling Griffin that his planting is still shaky at times, but he says he's past that. One thing the Shanahans need to realize is that Griffin is always going to feel better about his body then what might really be happening.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1017174]From the Operation Patience article:



Still my biggest fear, it sounds like some are telling Griffin that his planting is still shaky at times, but he says he's past that. One thing the Shanahans need to realize is that Griffin is always going to feel better about his body then what might really be happening.[/quote]

I think thats one of the reasons they are being cautious with him. He said after popping his LCL in the Seattle game (At least I believe he had popped the LCL on that second drive right before the second TD) that he was ok to keep playing. Shanny got ripped for believing RG3, and he isnt going to go through that again.

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I'm not sure HOW Dr James Andrews....the Go-To Orthopedist for the NFL, The Redskins medical and training staffs can.....Hope to have a clue in the proper convalescence of Robert?
Soooo many...valuable fan and assundry, Pundit opinions available....

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well, someone post the crying girl somewhere ? LOL

16 ? Brandon banks?? Lol looks just like him if u dont look at the name

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1017170]I think we should hold onto Minnifield. I could see Briscoe not making the cut. Didn't he ride the bench all last season? Dawson could easily be a Niles Paul replacement although I feel like they wanna hang onto him for ST purposes.

Just hopefully not kickoff returns.[/quote]

Briscoe was awful last year. He droppedore passes than he actually caught. Well at least that's what it seems like from my perspective. He didnt have very many chances and he blew more than his fair share.

We have to have come up with a better option out of the UDFAs and Vets we brought in this offseason.

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Eventhough they are not proven in battle or have seen minimal action (Crawford) I really like Crawford, Minnifield and Amerson. 3 young CB's that I think will be solid players. I would hate to see Crawford or Minnifield cut, can't wait to see what they do in games. I think they will surprise.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1017168]You know, from what I'm hearing from people both at Redskins TC and on Twitter (''the insiders'') I may want to change my roster prediction for CBs and WRs. I think theres a good chance--as of right now-- that Chase Minnifield makes the roster and Devery Henderson/Stallworth/Briscoe/Dawson does not make the roster for that ''6th WR spot''.

So it would be 6 CBs (Hall, Amerson, Wilson, Crawford, Biggers, Minnifield)

and 5 WRs (Garcon, Morgan, Moss, Hankerson, Robinson)[/quote]

Minnifield has the talent to play in the NFL. I think that only a flare-up of his serious knee problems could hold him back. If his knee holds up, he should make the 53-man roster because there is no way that a healthy Minnifield would last on the Practice Squad.

If Skye Dawson makes the team, it will be primarily due to his punt and KO return skills. But I don't think it is necessarily a choice between a WR or a CB. For one thing, I see no need to keep 4 TE's. To me, Niles Paul must surely be on the bubble. So it could turn out to be 6 WR's, 6 CB's, and 3 TE's.