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Totally, after the bye
Colt has earned another start. If he continues, if will serve as a nice showcase as well..... |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1091978]Jay is no rush at all to play Griffin. None at all[/quote]
Y is that? Fear of re-injury, not ready to take the field or likes colt? gruden seems like he wants rg3 in there |
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Anybody heard an explanation why the defense seemed to ease up on blitzing when Romo went out?
Seemed like Weedon had way more time to throw than Romo. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1091982]Y is that? Fear of re-injury, not ready to take the field or likes colt? gruden seems like he wants rg3 in there[/quote]
If Gruden had his way, RG3 would not take the field again this year Let's run through each QB and the 3 key decision makers [B]Griffin[/B] Snyder: Loves him. This is the franchise, the meal ticket. If Colt is playing well and winning the ONLY way RG3 takes the field is because of Snyder Allen: Indifferent towards him as a QB, but realizes he's $$ in the bank when he's on the field and playing well Gruden: Thinks RG3 is nowhere near ready to play football. And I'm not talking about physically, I'm talking about understanding and being able to execute the offense. That's why Jay keeps saying when Rob's "healthy and ready to play football" As in the doctors might clear him, but that doesn't mean he's ready to play [B]Cousins [/B] Snyder: Probably wants him gone ASAP now Allen: Likes him, but sort of eh Gruden: So so on him as a person, thought he'd be the perfect QB to execute his offense for this year. Knows ceiling is limited though [B]McCoy[/B] Snyder: Probably didn't even know who he was until yesterday Allen: Huge fan. Use to watch games with Jon back in 2009 and they'd talk often about Colt being the perfect WCO QB Gruden: Colt is far and away his favorite. Loves him as a person, loves him as a QB. So total package Colt is his favorite of the 3. But he and Colt both know his role on this team is at best solid #2 However, as long as Jay believes RG3 is not ready and Cousins has shat (shitted? shitten?) the bed then you ride that #2 until you can't no more. And it helps that Allen feels strongly about Colt too |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1091978]Jay is no rush at all to play Griffin. None at all[/quote]
Seriously, for any other reason other than he wants him healthy? All this lip service from him in the media about griffin being the guy is just that? Sorry, but for a guy in Griffin who electrified this city and team just two short seasons ago can someone get him back on the track of being someone great like we all saw... |
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Lets rotate all three qb's throughout the game. Gibbs claim to fame is that he won three sb's with three different qb's, and Grudens will be that he won one with three qb's.
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[quote=tshile;1091957]"... Meriweather became the first Redskins defensive player to record two sacks, two forced fumbles, and a fumble recovery in one game. "[/quote]
Hmm. Maybe Merriweather just needed another solid player back there with him to shore up the seconday. And Clark isn't elite by a long shot. Safety and oline gotta be top priorities come offseason. Like somebody else said, the Rams got a good safety in Barron for cheap. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1091984]If Gruden had his way, RG3 would not take the field again this year
Let's run through each QB and the 3 key decision makers [B]Griffin[/B] Snyder: Loves him. This is the franchise, the meal ticket. If Colt is playing well and winning the ONLY way RG3 takes the field is because of Snyder Allen: Indifferent towards him as a QB, but realizes he's $$ in the bank when he's on the field and playing well Gruden: Thinks RG3 is nowhere near ready to play football. And I'm not talking about physically, I'm talking about understanding and being able to execute the offense. That's why Jay keeps saying when Rob's "healthy and ready to play football" As in the doctors might clear him, but that doesn't mean he's ready to play [B]Cousins [/B] Snyder: Probably wants him gone ASAP now Allen: Likes him, but sort of eh Gruden: So so on him as a person, thought he'd be the perfect QB to execute his offense for this year. Knows ceiling is limited though [B]McCoy[/B] Snyder: Probably didn't even know who he was until yesterday Allen: Huge fan. Use to watch games with Jon back in 2009 and they'd talk often about Colt being the perfect WCO QB Gruden: Colt is far and away his favorite. Loves him as a person, loves him as a QB. So total package Colt is his favorite of the 3. But he and Colt both know his role on this team is at best solid #2 However, as long as Jay believes RG3 is not ready and Cousins has shat (shitted? shitten?) the bed then you ride that #2 until you can't no more. And it helps that Allen feels strongly about Colt too[/quote] So does that mean he wants RG III gone in the offseason and another QB brought in? |
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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1091988]So does that mean he wants RG III gone in the offseason and another QB brought in?[/quote]
No, no, not at all. He likes him, thinks he can be outstanding. Not ready this season though. Needs more time |
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That makes no sense to me. How are Cousins and McCoy ready to run this offense but RGIII is not? Isn't it new to all of them?
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Gruden should be careful about Colt. He is concussion prone and one more major concussion and that will be over and done for his career.
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Thanks for all the good info SS.
Based on what you have said so far, my questions are: (1) Does Griffin know Jay 's feelings about his understanding of the offense? (2) Does Gruden's take appear to be having a negative effect on the coach/qb relationship with Griffin? Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk |
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[quote=calia;1091990]That makes no sense to me. How are Cousins and McCoy ready to run this offense but RGIII is not? Isn't it new to all of them?[/quote]
No, Cousins ran a similar style at Michigan State. And Colt has more experience with it from his days in Cleveland and last year. |
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[quote=JoeRedskin;1091992]Thanks for all the good info SS.
Based on what you have said so far, my questions are: (1) Does Griffin know Jay 's feelings about his understanding of the offense? (2) Does Gruden's take appear to be having a negative effect on the coach/qb relationship with Griffin? Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote] I'll answer the 2nd question first. From what I've heard one thing Jay has done that Mike did not is that everything Griffin hears in the media from Jay about him he's already heard. So when Jay says Robert will play him when healthy and in football shape (paraphrasing), I don't think RG3 is hearing that for the first time. Does he understand what that means? I have no idea |
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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1092007]I'll answer the 2nd question first. From what I've heard one thing Jay has done that Mike did not is that everything Griffin hears in the media from Jay about him he's already heard.
So when Jay says Robert will play him when healthy and in football shape (paraphrasing), I don't think RG3 is hearing that for the first time. Does he understand what that means? I have no idea[/QUOTE] Based on the answer to question 2 I already like Gruden better than Shanahan. |
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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1091991]Gruden should be careful about Colt. He is concussion prone and one more major concussion and that will be over and done for his career.[/QUOTE]
How should he be careful with him? Im curious. |
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As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.
Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon. |
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Thanks for the info SS. We all really appreciate the insight.
I definitely like that Gruden is communicating better than Shananhan did. One thing I would question though is that if Griffin is physically 100% should he not get time to start and learn in w real NFL game? |
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[quote=JoeRedskin;1092010]As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.
Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.[/quote] I just think it takes QB's from a simplified spread offense a lot longer than other QB's who run a pro style offense their entire life. Drew Brees is a perfect example. He truly didn't play well until his fourth year in the NFL. It just takes time with spread QB's. |
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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1092011]Thanks for the info SS. We all really appreciate the insight.
I definitely like that Gruden is communicating better than Shananhan did. [B]One thing I would question though is that if Griffin is physically 100% should he not get time to start and learn in w real NFL game?[/B][/quote] I just think that differs for each QB. Some learn well in game situations, some not. Just like any job/talent people learn in different ways. Trial by fire may cause some folks to improve but others to retreat into bad habits. On one hand, RGIII is a smart kid who wants to be the best and maybe can pick up the techniques in game. On the other, he is so talented and athletic, maybe he retreats into "I can use my athleticism to get a better play" rather growing into "I need to make the play called work by doing [X]." It's like the smart kid who can do the problems with ease but screws up b/c he just doesn't pay attention to the details. I am convinced, RGIII has the ability to excel any system in which he plays. The question to me, however, is can he really get into the nuts and bolts of an NFL offense, the rhythm, anticipation and root mechanics of it, without relying on his freakish athletic ability to ignore these subtleties of the game. Certainly, off the field, he shows the willingness and intelligence to do so, but, in the heat of the moment, can he train his body to do so also. If the best thing for him is to sit, watch and practice rep, I hope he does so even though I really, really want him on the field. I also hope Gruden is really committed to developing him and investing his own time. The guy is special in so many ways. I hope Gruden can get him right. Step One: Build an O-line that is better than average. Next year's draft: Round 1 - Best Safety on the board; Rounds 2-7 O-lineman every damn round and hope one or two stick. (Okay, maybe an ILB to replace Riley/Compton). |
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I think if we had a stud OL that could protect our QB maybe Gruden would be a little more willing to get him into the fire. As it stands now protection is limited and our QBs are forced to protect themselves...mostly with their ability to make good quick decisions on where to go with the ball.
I am honestly greatly concerned that at this point Griffin isn't mentally prepared to run a pro offense. I know he's been hurt and the turmoil has been real around him but when we give up what we gave up for him I think we're expecting someone who has the innate abilities to learn and grow quickly. I am also concerned that our coaching staff is focused on fitting a guy in rather than fitting a system to a team's players. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1091984]If Gruden had his way, RG3 would not take the field again this year
Let's run through each QB and the 3 key decision makers [B]Griffin[/B] Snyder: Loves him. This is the franchise, the meal ticket. If Colt is playing well and winning the ONLY way RG3 takes the field is because of Snyder Allen: Indifferent towards him as a QB, but realizes he's $$ in the bank when he's on the field and playing well Gruden: Thinks RG3 is nowhere near ready to play football. And I'm not talking about physically, I'm talking about understanding and being able to execute the offense. That's why Jay keeps saying when Rob's "healthy and ready to play football" As in the doctors might clear him, but that doesn't mean he's ready to play [B]Cousins [/B] Snyder: Probably wants him gone ASAP now Allen: Likes him, but sort of eh Gruden: So so on him as a person, thought he'd be the perfect QB to execute his offense for this year. Knows ceiling is limited though [B]McCoy[/B] Snyder: Probably didn't even know who he was until yesterday Allen: Huge fan. Use to watch games with Jon back in 2009 and they'd talk often about Colt being the perfect WCO QB Gruden: Colt is far and away his favorite. Loves him as a person, loves him as a QB. So total package Colt is his favorite of the 3. But he and Colt both know his role on this team is at best solid #2 However, as long as Jay believes RG3 is not ready and Cousins has shat (shitted? shitten?) the bed then you ride that #2 until you can't no more. And it helps that Allen feels strongly about Colt too[/quote] Thanks for the info SS. this reads like a script for a QB controversy play or something I dont know, think RG3 only gets better with more time in the pocket running the offense. I really dont like this Dan guy being included with his opinions. That reeks of the past |
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[quote=Chico23231;1092015]Thanks for the info SS. this reads like a script for a QB controversy play or something
I dont know, think RG3 only gets better with more time in the pocket running the offense. [B]I really dont like this Dan guy being included with his opinions. That reeks of the past[/B][/quote] Well luckily this is not Dallas, otherwise RG3 would be playing right now with a mildly healthy ankle. At the end of the day, Jay needs to figure out how to get RG3 ready to play. I don't mind his careful approach, but if RG3 doesn't work out in the end that's a failure on everyone involved (including RG3). |
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[quote=JoeRedskin;1092010]As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he [B]is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? [/B]Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.
Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.[/quote] Obviously Gruden has seen him now since March or so? He's got a feel for him now. I'm thinking it's all of the above and that's why we saw that JV offense week one. The thing with Griffin is this offense, or the pro game in general does not come natural for him. To me he needs a mixture of 2012, maybe some Chip Kelly and some pro. That's on the coaches to design an offense around him. But RG3 wants to be Rodgers. Three years in and we still don't know if he's the guy. |
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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1092016]Well luckily this is not Dallas, otherwise RG3 would be playing right now with a mildly healthy ankle.
At the end of the day, Jay needs to figure out how to get RG3 ready to play. I don't mind his careful approach, but if RG3 doesn't work out in the end that's a failure on everyone involved (including RG3).[/QUOTE] Because we never rush qb's back in Washington. |
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Sorry couldnt resist.
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[quote=punch it in;1092018]Because we never rush qb's back in Washington.[/quote]
Well I'm talking about the present. Redskins fans love to b*tch about the past and dwell on it. |
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[url=http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/10/28/espns-monday-night-football-scores-highest-rating-since-2009-with-redskins-cowboys/320538/]ESPN’s ‘Monday Night Football’ Scores Highest Rating Since 2009 with Redskins-Cowboys - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.Zap2it.com[/url]
wow ESPN’s Monday Night Football Scores Highest Rating Since 2009 with Redskins-Cowboys •Season-Best 11.4 Rating and 18.8 Million Viewers Helps ESPN Win the Night •Seventh Most-Viewed Telecast in Cable History among Households, Ninth among Viewers •Most-Watched MNF Game on ESPN Deportes in 2014 •Most-Watched MNF Game ever on WatchESPN Last night’s Monday Night Football game – a Washington Redskins’ 20-17 upset victory over the Dallas Cowboys in overtime – delivered ESPN’s highest-rated and most-viewed MNF telecast since 2009. The game ranked as the top telecast of the night across cable and broadcast in viewers, households and all key male and adult demos, helping ESPN win the night among all networks in those same categories. The game averaged a season-high 11.4 household US rating; 13,313,000 households; and 18,809,000 viewers (P2+), according to Nielsen. It peaked from 11:30-11:45 p.m. with a 13.6 rating and 22,485,000 viewers. Redskins-Cowboys is the highest-rated MNF game since the New Orleans Saints-New England Patriots telecast on Nov. 30, 2009 (12.9 household rating) and the most-viewed game since the New Orleans-Atlanta Falcons game on Dec. 27, 2010 (19,137,000 viewers). Overall, the game is now the seventh most-viewed telecast in cable history among households and the ninth most-viewed among viewers (P2+), excluding breaking news. (Note: ESPN MNF and BCS Championship college football games occupy the entire top-10 in both categories. See below.) In Washington, D.C., the game delivered a 17.8 rating on ESPN and a 12.6 on WDCA-IND, for a combined 30.4 rating in the market. In Dallas, the game delivered a 14.0 rating on ESPN and a 22.6 on WFAA-ABC, for a combined 36.6 rating in the market. The top 10 metered markets (in addition to those of the competing teams) included: [B]Richmond (24.7[/B]), San Antonio (24.5), Norfolk (20.2), Austin (19.3), Las Vegas (18.9), New Orleans (18.0), Baltimore (16.9), San Diego (16.7), Albuquerque (16.1) and Houston (15.9). Wow, Richmond highest watching outside of DC and Dallas...#buildthatstadiumhere Big numbers, thats why we keep dem primetime slots |
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I would imagine that ratings number doesn't translate into stadium attendance; I could be wrong.
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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1092021]Well I'm talking about the present. Redskins fans love to b*tch about the past and dwell on it.[/QUOTE]
I know you were but someone had to say it anyway. I love the way Griff isnt being rushed back. Imo we should probably let him come back after the Tampa game unless Colt is setting the world on fire. I think we can win both games without him. |
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Wow, Richmond highest watching outside of DC and Dallas...#buildthatstadiumhere [/quote] I don't see many people driving down to Richmond from the DC metro area to watch the Skins play |
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If it were me, I would start Griffin as soon as possible. The only way to know if he's a "bust" really, is to put him out there
From what I'd heard it's not that he doesn't grasp the offense. It's that he's slow-odd to say when applying to RG3-but his timing is just off with the rest of the offense. He's just not in sync. Mentioned this over the summer, but my feeling is he's a sensitive kid who's ego and feelings got badly bruised when he felt mistreated by his favorite coach growing up. He needs a confidence boosting game, and I think he'll get his groove back. What better slump buster game than Tampa after the bye week? |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1092028]If it were me, I would start Griffin as soon as possible. The only way to know if he's a "bust" really, is to put him out there
From what I'd heard it's not that he doesn't grasp the offense.[B] It's that he's slow-odd to say when applying to RG3-but his timing is just off with the rest of the offense. He's just not in sync.[/B] Mentioned this over the summer, but my feeling is he's a sensitive kid who's ego and feelings got badly bruised when he felt mistreated by his favorite coach growing up. He needs a confidence boosting game, and I think he'll get his groove back. What better slump buster game than Tampa after the bye week?[/quote] I mean it showed all preseason... But he needs to play imo and yeah that stadium in the RVA was sarcasm folks, we wouldnt want the NOVAs driving down here anyways |
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[quote=Chico23231;1092022][url=http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/10/28/espns-monday-night-football-scores-highest-rating-since-2009-with-redskins-cowboys/320538/]ESPN’s ‘Monday Night Football’ Scores Highest Rating Since 2009 with Redskins-Cowboys - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.Zap2it.com[/url]
wow ESPN’s Monday Night Football Scores Highest Rating Since 2009 with Redskins-Cowboys •Season-Best 11.4 Rating and 18.8 Million Viewers Helps ESPN Win the Night •Seventh Most-Viewed Telecast in Cable History among Households, Ninth among Viewers •Most-Watched MNF Game on ESPN Deportes in 2014 •Most-Watched MNF Game ever on WatchESPN Last night’s Monday Night Football game – a Washington Redskins’ 20-17 upset victory over the Dallas Cowboys in overtime – delivered ESPN’s highest-rated and most-viewed MNF telecast since 2009. The game ranked as the top telecast of the night across cable and broadcast in viewers, households and all key male and adult demos, helping ESPN win the night among all networks in those same categories. The game averaged a season-high 11.4 household US rating; 13,313,000 households; and 18,809,000 viewers (P2+), according to Nielsen. It peaked from 11:30-11:45 p.m. with a 13.6 rating and 22,485,000 viewers. Redskins-Cowboys is the highest-rated MNF game since the New Orleans Saints-New England Patriots telecast on Nov. 30, 2009 (12.9 household rating) and the most-viewed game since the New Orleans-Atlanta Falcons game on Dec. 27, 2010 (19,137,000 viewers). Overall, the game is now the seventh most-viewed telecast in cable history among households and the ninth most-viewed among viewers (P2+), excluding breaking news. (Note: ESPN MNF and BCS Championship college football games occupy the entire top-10 in both categories. See below.) In Washington, D.C., the game delivered a 17.8 rating on ESPN and a 12.6 on WDCA-IND, for a combined 30.4 rating in the market. In Dallas, the game delivered a 14.0 rating on ESPN and a 22.6 on WFAA-ABC, for a combined 36.6 rating in the market. The top 10 metered markets (in addition to those of the competing teams) included: [B]Richmond (24.7[/B]), San Antonio (24.5), Norfolk (20.2), Austin (19.3), Las Vegas (18.9), New Orleans (18.0), Baltimore (16.9), San Diego (16.7), Albuquerque (16.1) and Houston (15.9). Wow, Richmond highest watching outside of DC and Dallas...#buildthatstadiumhere Big numbers, thats why we keep dem primetime slots[/quote] and the world series game one pulled like 8 million viewers. lol |
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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1092028]If it were me, I would start Griffin as soon as possible. The only way to know if he's a "bust" really, is to put him out there
From what I'd heard it's not that he doesn't grasp the offense. It's that he's slow-odd to say when applying to RG3-but his timing is just off with the rest of the offense. He's just not in sync. Mentioned this over the summer, but my feeling is he's a sensitive kid who's ego and feelings got badly bruised when he felt mistreated by his favorite coach growing up. He needs a confidence boosting game, and I think he'll get his groove back. What better slump buster game than Tampa after the bye week?[/QUOTE] Good point about TB being a confidence booster. Im on board for that. |
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Breeland all day. I just want them to keep sleeping on him. Hes still a rookie so he doesnt need that pressure, mistakes come with the territory for a young cb. One thing is certain he can MAN UP.
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BTW, great for Cobra Kai: [url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Kai-Forbath-Earns-Weekly-NFC-Honor/28913ea8-cac3-4bcd-ab53-ac7618dede3c]Kai Forbath Earns Weekly NFC Honor[/url]
Our special teams really showed up in Dallas. Let's hope we get more consistency there. |
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Maybe this is what Djax was talking to Brandon Carr about during the game: [url=http://www.redskins.com/community/article-1/DeSean-Jackson-Continues-Bullying-Education/356ac1a7-39cb-4c92-b4ff-acc15c6e3820]DeSean Jackson Continues Bullying Education[/url]
In all seriousness, good to see this. For a guy who had a bit of a reputation coming to DC, he's appeared to be a good teammate and engaged in the community. |
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[quote=JoeRedskin;1092013]Step One: Build an O-line that is better than average. Next year's draft: Round 1 - Best Safety on the board; Rounds 2-7 O-lineman every damn round and hope one or two stick. (Okay, maybe an ILB to replace Riley/Compton).[/quote]
You say Step One is to build an O-Line and then you say draft a safety in round 1? Mr. Spock and I think that's illogical. If OL is your top priority, then you draft OL in Round 1 unless there is a very special player on the board when you draft who you just can't pass up (like Sean Taylor). Nevertheless, I do agree with you that a top-notch OL is the foundation for a good football team. Dynasties are created by having Franchise QB's playing behind great OL's. |
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Why do we have to only [B]draft[/B] Olinemen...im bout spending some ducks at this point. Drafting olineman, not really ballin in that catagory. We got Long, leribus and Moses, bring in legitimates vets on short deals and let these guys fight it out.
I think we go RB in 2nd round this year in draft. Linebacker is another spot we could be looking to draft high as well. |
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