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RGIII is his own worse enemy! IF He would say very little and play good that would stop ALL his critics..but NOOOO…He continues to say things that puts a target on his back..can you imagine how cocky he would be IF he truly was the best QB in the league..they don't make a helmet that big!

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[quote=rocnrik;1116800]RGIII is his own worse enemy! IF He would say very little and play good that would stop ALL his critics..but NOOOO…He continues to say things that puts a target on his back..can you imagine how cocky he would be IF he truly was the best QB in the league..they don't make a helmet that big![/quote]

Yep and it would likely be no big deal without his history of media snafus and all his self promotion. I am not sure if he will ever get it media wise, but hopefully he plays as good as he talks and this unnecessary distraction will fade away.

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[quote=irish;1116790]Agree. An old PGA golf pro I took lessons from often told me that athletes at any level have to "create their own reality". RG3 is creating his own reality and I dont know why anyone would have a problem with that.[/quote]

One Brian Mitchell explains in detail why he does:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/mitchell-goes-rg3-after-comments-different-reason]Mitchell goes off on RG3 after comments -- for different reason | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1116803]One Brian Mitchell explains in detail why he does:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/mitchell-goes-rg3-after-comments-different-reason]Mitchell goes off on RG3 after comments -- for different reason | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

Pretty much how I feel. I especially feel his "slogan" for this year is ironic considering he didn't even follow it himself.





Season 1: “Know your why.”

Season 2: “All in for week 1.”

Season 3: “This is for us.”

[B][SIZE="4"]
Season 4: “Talk small, play big.”[/SIZE][/B]



:laughing-


Back in April

[quote]"It's not about talking about it; it's about being about it," Griffin said earlier this week in an interview with "Redskins Nation" (via The Washington Post). "That's what my goal is this whole offseason. You gotta talk small, play big, take care of the little things so the big things fall into place."[/quote]

:smashfreak:


...and here we are today. :doh:


I'll be glad when this fucking circus is over.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1116803]One Brian Mitchell explains in detail why he does:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/mitchell-goes-rg3-after-comments-different-reason]Mitchell goes off on RG3 after comments -- for different reason | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

Love it. He's absolutely right.

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I agree w/ BMitch. Just shut up and perform.

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I've never liked RG3's talking. But in the end all that matters to me is his performance.

What he says, and what the media says about what he says, only fills in the gaps in the offseason with a bunch of noise.

I don't really care what he said and I don't really care what B Mitch has to say about it (even if he's right). I just want to see Robert perform well.

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People need to chill the F out about RG3. If works out this year, great, if he doesn't, Scot McC is building a team this year, which can help/accommodate a new QB in the future. I don't think QB is the most important positing on this team right now (yet) and McC is just trying to get by in that position while he builds a complete team.

Also, all this overhype about his comments show me that A.) people don't know how to f'ing read; and B.) RG3 or most athletes don't learn that their comments will always be taken out of context.

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1116828]I've never liked RG3's talking. But in the end all that matters to me is his performance.

What he says, and what the media says about what he says, only fills in the gaps in the offseason with a bunch of noise.

[B]I don't really care what he said and I don't really care what B Mitch has to say about it (even if he's right). I just want to see Robert perform well.[/B][/QUOTE]

Agreed.

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[quote=Schneed10;1116828]I've never liked RG3's talking. But in the end all that matters to me is his performance.

What he says, and what the media says about what he says, only fills in the gaps in the offseason with a bunch of noise.

I don't really care what he said and I don't really care what B Mitch has to say about it (even if he's right). I just want to see Robert perform well.[/quote]

I agree that his performance on the field is what counts but I also think that he's making it harder for himself by making public statements that can be taken out of context by the media to make unflattering headlines and create controversy. That's why I think it's important for him to watch what he says in public.

In the short term, what if he has a poor game against Detroit tonight? If he does, the media will eat him alive, even though they created the controversy to begin with!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1116791]Problem is RG3's reality only exists in fantasy land. He is starting to appear delusional, you cannot help or coach someone who doesn't think they have a problem, plain and simple. Kind of like if you are running a business and have an employee who is lacking and needs improvement yet that employee thinks they
are the slickest thing since sliced bread and is smarter than the owner.

RG3 is saying things Tom Brady is too humble to say. Robert appears to
be intelligent, but some of the crap that comes out of his mouth makes you wonder.[/quote]

Of course its fantasy land, that what creating one's own reality is.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1116829]People need to chill the F out about RG3. If works out this year, great, if he doesn't, Scot McC is building a team that can help/accommodate a new QB this year. I don't think QB is the most important positing on this team right now (yet) and McC is just trying to get by in that position while he builds a complete team.

Also, all this overhype about his comments show me that A.) people don't know how to f'ing read; and B.) RG3 or most athletes don't learn that their comments will always be taken out of context.



Agreed.[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1116829]People need to chill the F out about RG3. If works out this year, great, if he doesn't, Scot McC is building a team that can help/accommodate a new QB this year. I don't think QB is the most important positing on this team right now (yet) and McC is just trying to get by in that position while he builds a complete team.

Also, all this overhype about his comments show me that A.) people don't know how to f'ing read; and B.) RG3 or most athletes don't learn that their comments will always be taken out of context.



Agreed.[/quote]

While I generally don't care what RG3 said, it was a thoughtless thing to say. I'm not up in arms about it, but it does say to me that he doesn't learn lessons from his previous failures. Within 2 weeks no one will remember that.

Here's where I disagree on your statement. We can't just give RG3 the year. If RG3 plays poorly all year and we let him go, we're also going to lose Kirk Cousins. Kirk's contract is up and will likely go to a team where he feels he can at least be in an open competition for the starting spot. We're not only making a decision on RG3, we're making a decision on Kirk. If RG3 ends up getting hurt, we owe him 16M next year. That's a big chunk of our cap invested in a player that (if it happens that way) has been hurt the past 3 years.

In my opinion, RG3 gets the first quarter of the season to prove himself. If he's playing well, he gets to keep the position. If he's playing mediocre or struggling, I bench him to see what KC has in his tank. To be clear, I wouldn't measure RG3 purely on stats or W/L ratio. Is he reading the defense correctly, is he doing the correct drops, is he releasing the ball on time, is he making good decisions. Things us fans likely can't know for sure, but Gruden and co will.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1116832]I agree that his performance on the field is what counts but I also think that he's making it harder for himself by making public statements that can be taken out of context by the media to make unflattering headlines and create controversy. That's why I think it's important for him to watch what he says in public.

In the short term, what if he has a poor game against Detroit tonight? If he does, the media will eat him alive, even though they created the controversy to begin with![/quote]

The media eating him alive has nothing to do with his comments. They are going to figure out a way to do that regardless. He was a #2 overall pick that we gave up a ton to get. People to this day still talk about Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell, and outside of a couple of blowups by Leaf, they werent known for talking to the media.

The whole media thing is just being blown up by the media. Why? Because people like you eat it up and they get paid. If RG3 never talked to the media, there would be another reason they would come up with to do this, and you would eat that up as well. If he was a media darling and said everything right, they would come up with something else to make it the story they want. He was a #2 overall and being talked about as a bust, that is all thats necessary for this to happen, saying the right or wrong things to the media is not required.

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[quote=Skinzman;1116839]The whole media thing is just being blown up by the media. Why? Because people like you eat it up and they get paid. If RG3 never talked to the media, there would be another reason they would come up with to do this, and you would eat that up as well. [/quote]

Who says I'm eating up what the media is dishing out? I don't care if anything more is ever written or said about RGIII. I just want to see the Redskins play 20 or more times a year (counting preseason). I don't watch pre-game or post-game drivel on TV. I do read some articles about the Skins and I participate on this board.

Nevertheless, I don't live in a vacuum, so I know something of what's going on in Redskins Nation. In real life, I also know enough to keep my head down, my ears open, and my mouth shut while I'm learning a trade. That maxim would seem to me to apply even to NFL QB's.

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[quote=Daseal;1116838]Here's where I disagree on your statement. We can't just give RG3 the year. If RG3 plays poorly all year and we let him go, we're also going to lose Kirk Cousins. Kirk's contract is up and will likely go to a team where he feels he can at least be in an open competition for the starting spot. We're not only making a decision on RG3, we're making a decision on Kirk. If RG3 ends up getting hurt, we owe him 16M next year. That's a big chunk of our cap invested in a player that (if it happens that way) has been hurt the past 3 years.

In my opinion, RG3 gets the first quarter of the season to prove himself. If he's playing well, he gets to keep the position. If he's playing mediocre or struggling, I bench him to see what KC has in his tank. To be clear, I wouldn't measure RG3 purely on stats or W/L ratio. Is he reading the defense correctly, is he doing the correct drops, is he releasing the ball on time, is he making good decisions. Things us fans likely can't know for sure, but Gruden and co will.[/quote]

I think this is a fair assessment. I just think that McCloughan probably doesn't think that RG3 or KC are the the long term answer at QB; but he is using the possibility of one of them being good (or good enough) for now to give him the time to build other areas of the team.

If either RG3 or KC work out, that's great for the team. But if they don't, next year's team will be in a much better position to handle a new QB. As a fan, I want the team to win now like anyone else; but I don't pin my hopes on the current QBs because we are in a rebuilding process.

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Lot of QBs available in this coming draft. Maybe we'll be just good enough that we start moving in the right direction, but just bad enough to be in position to draft one.

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[quote=Schneed10;1116850]Lot of QBs available in this coming draft. Maybe we'll be just good enough that we start moving in the right direction, but just bad enough to be in position to draft one.[/quote]


I don't think we'll be bad enough to be in a position to grab a good one. I don't want to reach on one, neither do I want to trade up for one again either. (not unless it's a steal)

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[quote=Daseal;1116838]
Here's where I disagree on your statement. We can't just give RG3 the year. If RG3 plays poorly all year and we let him go, we're also going to lose Kirk Cousins. Kirk's contract is up and will likely go to a team where he feels he can at least be in an open competition for the starting spot. We're not only making a decision on RG3, we're making a decision on Kirk. If RG3 ends up getting hurt, we owe him 16M next year. That's a big chunk of our cap invested in a player that (if it happens that way) has been hurt the past 3 years.[/quote]If Griffin plays poorly and isn't benched odds are he's done and IF Jay stays that why wouldn't Kirk stay?

There are many scenarios that could play out. If Griffin plays poorly odds are Jay is gonna bench him in favor of Cousins who might finally take the reigns and keep them (Maybe now's the time for Neiman to earn the part.).

IF Cousins does play well then would be re-signed and Griffin would be gone. The same thing could happen with McCoy which would be wildly unpopular. Griffin might even take the reigns himself and play well.

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While I usually love playing out the various scenarios in my mind, the season is now upon us, so I don't have to.

At this point it's on the players to earn it. Robert's in his second year in the offense, and the Redskins brass has been very supportive. So he either earns a 2nd contract or he doesn't.

And if Robert fails, then Kirk has had long enough to learn to avoid INTs. So if he gets a shot, he can earn his way. If he doesn't, then peace.

We can finally just wait and see what happens. The big decisions don't get made until January, let's see how it all plays out.

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Rglll is done or I am done! He is horrible end of story...and I believe he faked the injury..if he got hurt there he will not last 2games into reg season..also it is obvious that the redskin team does not believe in him....just saying what I see.

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Faked the injury.....lol
I love conspiracy weiners.....

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[quote=rocnrik;1117001]Rglll is done or I am done! He is horrible end of story...and I believe he faked the injury..if he got hurt there he will not last 2games into reg season..also it is obvious that the redskin team does not believe in him....just saying what I see.[/quote]

Come on now. I think RG3 is terrible but the dude wouldn't fake an injury.

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It didn't look good but it certainly will fuel the fire regarding criticism about RG3's ability to stay healthy. It is sort of a shame because whatever athletic talent he has / had will always be over-shadowed by the fact that he can't stay healthy. It has happened to many players. Either way this is Kirk's show now. I hope that he does well and has gotten over the confidence problem.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1116855]I don't think we'll be bad enough to be in a position to grab a good one. I don't want to reach on one, neither do I want to trade up for one again either. (not unless it's a steal)[/quote]
Do you see us winning more than 4 games?

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[quote=jamf;1117047]Do you see us winning more than 4 games?[/quote]

I think 6-10 is our ceiling.

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We will win more games because of our defense and running game. It's all on griffin and that scares most of us

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1117050]We will win more games because of our defense and running game. It's all on griffin and that scares most of us[/quote]

I think with Cousins, it goes up to 8-8 at best. RG3.. 6-10 at best.

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I just don't believe in kirk either. It's sad but I think Mccoy Is better than both right now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1117056]I just don't believe in kirk either. It's sad but I think Mccoy Is better than both right now.[/quote]

For real, people seem to forget Kirk falling apart last year.

I think the plan should be to keep Kirk until he falls apart and let McCoy finish the season.

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Kirk is a great PS QB in the regular season he just doesn't get it done

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Well they reported from the sideline he was not hurt but would not return. You rglll fans can say what you want but he is done and for the record I have been skins fan since 1969 and have never missed a game since then...I would love it if rglll was the answer but I just do not see it.

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[quote=rocnrik;1117059]Well they reported from the sideline he was not hurt but would not return. You rglll fans can say what you want but he is done and for the record I have been skins fan since 1969 and have never missed a game since then...I would love it if rglll was the answer but I just do not see it.[/quote]

None of the teams in the team right now are the answer. This teams needs to become more of a complete team, before we can bring the QB of the future.

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I agree but we need a qb that at very least will not loose games on there own..I truly believe a average mid pack qb gives us a chance at 8 wins..rglll will flat out loose games because he can't get the ball out of his hands..and my comment about him faking injury may be over the top but I watched the play over and over and saw nothing to indicate he got hurt.he did not take a headshot so what is up...he payed on the field for 3 minutes and walked off they then report he was fine..so what is up with that..

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He may very well got concussion from earlier hit.he got slammed hard..but it's funny how he drops the ball and we loose possesion to lions and all of a sudden he gets hurt..I admit I have no faith or hope in rglll ...I am ready to be proved wrong...

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1117053]I think with Cousins, it goes up to 8-8 at best. RG3.. 6-10 at best.[/QUOTE]
[emoji115] Completely Agree! [emoji115]

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Initially it was a shoulder injury then all of a sudden a concussion pops up in the picture. After watching the replay, the Lions' linebacker barely grazed Griff's helmet. Something's got to give. Remember, Kirk is the one Scot M. came close to drafting before selecting Russell Wilson. This tells us he did his extensive scouting (which he's greatly known for) and believes in the talent Kirk Cousins has. ...and we're all believers in Scot M. right.......?

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I trust Scott.
Sure the line had it's faults but all the sacks/ knockdowns were RG3's fault.
He's slow, unsure and can't run the offense like a pro QB. I love the guy. Bought his jersey. Wanna believe. But facts are Colt and Cuz run this offense better than RG3. These are facts.

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If rglll got a concussion it was on the hard hit he took earlier when he got slammed..that could explain him dropping the ball like he did..that last play when he fumbled he did not get hurt there..the guy rolled across his mid section..if he starts the season it will be the owners call because at this point he has played his way to the 3rd qb spot..it is time to move on and stop all this insanity ..He is never going to be the guy!

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I've always given RGIII the benefit of the doubt, but even with the crappy pass blocking last night, he just didn't look very good at all. He looks lost going back to pass and every time he does, I'm just waiting for something bad to happen. Unfortunately with him, it's all about the drama and nothing about consistent really good playing.

I'm not giving up on Cousins even though he hasn't been consistent and has looked bad at times. I'm old enough to remember how Bradshaw, Favre and Staubach were terrible for their first several years and then became confident and really good for a long time. Maybe it's time to give Cousins the chance to go a full season and not get benched after one bad game.

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Keim's take:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/19154/redskins-wanted-more-progress-they-got-an-injured-rg-iii-instead]Washington Redskins wanted more progress; they got an injured RG III instead - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]