Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

spot on Marty. I think Kirk just started his 16th game last week against the Bucs.

What he has done through the first 7 games with the injuries to key offensive weapons, no run game after week 2 and he had to do so against some of really good Defenses.

Jets (2), titans (5), bucs (6), rams (13), falcons (14), eagles (16) .. then the giants at 29. rank by yds/g.


its going to be fun watching to see what he and this team does for the remaining 9. Most projections have us as a 6.5 win team and ill take it.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

If memory serves (which may be an issue) Joe T would have been on the field a few seasons earlier but he could not force Billy out. He threw to many Int's. And a few other things.......
But finally, he matured and made a great QB...take note KC

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[quote=A10sROCK;1127198]Although Kirk just had a very good game, [B]he hasn't been that consistent in his passing and decision making this season.[/B] His inconsistent play has cost the Redskins games this season (not going to discuss his dismal play last year).[/quote]

You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:

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"Ohhhhh nooooo, he was baited and threw a pick to DARELLE REVIS...." lmfao as if they guy hasmt picked off almost every starting qb in the league smh, yall expect perfection from the kid when the organization and team as a whole is so far from perfect its not even funny.... smh

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lol ... Wow. KC folks as rabid RGIII fans were.

Who knew?

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I don't know if I am rabid, but I am a fan, and I am willing to give the dude a chance, and I am not yet willing to declare him a career backup, or simply the short term solution, when he has barely even gotten his feet wet at this point.

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Kirk Cousins AMA live right now. Reddit co-founder and huge Redskins fan is looking out for us with some direct questions from us.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/3qvr3i/hey_rredskins_have_you_got_some_questions_for_kirk/[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1127241]I don't know if I am rabid, but I am a fan, and I am willing to give the dude a chance, and I am not yet willing to declare him a career backup, or simply the short term solution, when he has barely even gotten his feet wet at this point.[/quote]

I'm honestly in the middle when it comes to Kirk Cousins, because I don't know what Scot McCloughan really thinks about him and whether Cousins is in his long term plans at all.

Before this year, I'm sure a lot of us thought that Alfred Morris would be in McCloughan's long term plan; yet Scot went and basically drafted a replacement right away. Now, we all know that there is little chance Morris is back with the team next year.

I hope Cousins continues to improve. If he continues to be inconsistent, but does enough, he can become the bridge QB, until whoever Scot chooses to be the QB of the future.

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I think you simply get through the full year, see where you are, and assign a value accordingly. You can't say there aren't signs of progress this year. But so far you also can't say he's worth a huge long term deal.

The right play might be a 3 year deal for mediocre starter money, letting him prove himself and earn a big QB payday down the road. Meanwhile at same time scout QBs and draft one if you think you've found the next Russell Wilson.

Luckily we don't need to decide now. Let the season play out.

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You people act as if we are rooting against KC. We arent, im sure every Redskins fan hopes he turns out to make Joe Montana and Tom Brady look worse than Ryan Leaf. We just dont think he will. He comes across as an average at best QB.

Also, stop with the whole Peyton Manning threw a lot of interceptions when he was young. Yes, that is true. But for every Peyton, there are 50 or more that didnt overcome it. If every young QB that struggled early turned into Peyton, every team would have 3 Peyton Mannings on the active roster and 2 more on the practice squad with a pool of 100 not on any NFL team waiting to be signed. You act as if overcoming his ints is a given once he starts some magical number of games when history has shown that the majority dont overcome it.

The team is still lacking in a lot of places. There is still a lot of improvement to be had from positions other than QB so its certainly not just KCs fault. But KC is still the same guy he was as a senior in college. Some great games, some good games, some terrible games.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Andrew Luck isn't looking so hot right now! Truth is there are many factor that contribute to a QB success..Kirk may not be the star QB we are looking for but he is miles better than anything else we can put out there. I am willing to bet he plays steady from here on out and we will have our QB ..will he be perfect .heck no but from what i have seen so far is major improvement . I don't mind the int's so much if they are deep balls on 3rd down where he is trying to hit the big play..its those 15 yard interceptions that drive me crazy.I would like to see Kirk try more medium range passes on First down so the D won't stack against the run..Something tells me the Skins are going to play well against New england..might be upset of year!

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1127248]Andrew Luck isn't looking so hot right now! Truth is there are many factor that contribute to a QB success..Kirk may not be the star QB we are looking for but he is miles better than anything else we can put out there. I am willing to bet he plays steady from here on out and we will have our QB ..will he be perfect .heck no but from what i have seen so far is major improvement . I don't mind the int's so much if they are deep balls on 3rd down where he is trying to hit the big play..its those 15 yard interceptions that drive me crazy.I would like to see Kirk try more medium range passes on First down so the D won't stack against the run..Something tells me the Skins are going to play well against New england..might be upset of year![/QUOTE]


Put down the kool aid, and come out with your hands up! I repeat put down the kool aid and come out with your hands up!
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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1127235]You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:[/QUOTE]


This. No point in trying to change the minds of guys who are still salty RG3 sucks..


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[quote=JoeRedskin;1127171]My eyes are seeing the exact same thing.

[B]Not looking for him to be flawless, just looking for the good games to be about a 2:1 ratio of good games to the bad ones.[/B] Consistently.[/quote]

I asked you about that and you said that a 2:1 good to bad games ratio wasn't good enough. In your latest post you say that he shouldn't be signed unless he plays "great" the rest of this season. Great? Is that all you want? Just for him to become great right away? You are more inconsistent than Kirk.

Well, you are consistent in that Kirk can't play well enough to suit you even if he wins Offensive Player of the Week.

BTW, what have you got in mind for Plan B if Kirk isn't re-signed?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1127239]lol ... Wow. KC folks as rabid RGIII fans were.

Who knew?[/quote]

Speaking for myself, I just have gone by what I've seen on the field. There were some things that turned me off to Griffin, like the entire public standoff with Shanahan, the throwing teammates under the bus and the marketing video. But it really all came down to on the field performance. He never showed any serious instincts or feel for the pro passing game. KC did from the very beginning and IMO should have started the 2013 season.

Despite his struggles, which all young qb's have, I always believed that KC was better for the pro game. Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.

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[quote=Schneed10;1127244]I think you simply get through the full year, see where you are, and assign a value accordingly. You can't say there aren't signs of progress this year. But so far you also can't say he's worth a huge long term deal.

The right play might be a 3 year deal for mediocre starter money, letting him prove himself and earn a big QB payday down the road. Meanwhile at same time scout QBs and draft one if you think you've found the next Russell Wilson.

Luckily we don't need to decide now. Let the season play out.[/quote]

It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127254]It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.[/quote]

In the past 4 weeks, he led 2 game winning drives and 1 game tying drive with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid a lot more than he is now to play QB in the NFL next year. At least one NFL team will look at the lack of a running game, and a lack of a #1 receiver and write him a check.

I've been scrolling through the thread and can't seem to find the name of his replacement after we let him walk.

We aren't going to franchise him because of the outrageous number, a performance based contract similar to Dalton's needs to be done sooner rather than later.

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[quote=punch it in;1127249]Put down the kool aid, and come out with your hands up! I repeat put down the kool aid and come out with your hands up!
[emoji61][/quote]

Forget that, he needs to pass it around, including to Gruden and the Skins so they come out with the right attitude. Better save the really good stuff for halftime though, might just need it!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1127235]You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1127265]Aaron Rodgers?[/quote]

Correct.

Let's get him instead.

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Who is Kirk Cousins?

Right now he's Nick Foles. Maybe he can be like Trent Green or Brad Johnson. LMAO at comparisons to Peyton and Brady.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127251]I asked you about that and you said that a 2:1 good to bad games ratio wasn't good enough. In your latest post you say that he shouldn't be signed unless he plays "great" the rest of this season. Great? Is that all you want? Just for him to become great right away? You are more inconsistent than Kirk.

Well, you are consistent in that Kirk can't play well enough to suit you even if he wins Offensive Player of the Week.[/quote]

I would suggest I have been entirely consistent in my position. Here is the prior conversation:

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127106]I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.[/quote]

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127119] ... Would you say he's getting there if he can produce [B]two or three good games in a row with one or two poor games in between [/B]the good ones? (my emphasis)[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127123]Not really. To me, that's his current MO.[/quote]

Here is the quote to which my 2:1 comment was responsive:

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1127164]... My eyes tell me he has made some strides this year in the mental aspect of his game after he makes mistakes. But what they also tell me is that he has yet to put together back to back good games, he has yet to play a good game on the road and he his good games are in the middle of multiple bad games. BOTTTOM LINE the jury is still well out on him and until consistent play is accomplished I don't feel he is the future.[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127171]My eyes are seeing the exact same thing.

Not looking for him to be flawless, just looking for the good games to be about a 2:1 ratio of good games to the bad ones. Consistently.[/quote]

If KC has one or two good games for every one or two bad games he is just the same old KC. If he strings two or three good games on either side of a SINGLE bad game, then I think he has shown significant improvement. With nine games to go, if he has only two "bad" games, that's improvement. He doesn't have to be great or even good in the rest, just no bonehead interceptions and decent accuracy.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127251]BTW, what have you got in mind for Plan B if Kirk isn't re-signed?[/quote]

Honestly, don't know. Don't know who is likely to be available. My responses have been to the question "Who is KC" not "If you don't think KC is next year's QB, what's the plan?"

KC [I]may[/I] be the best option for next year, but to me that's a entirely different question from who he is NOW. To me, he is the same guy he has been for the last THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Decent game, good game, dear-god-how-he-still-be-in-the-league game, less than good game, really good game. All mixed in together.

You see something that makes you think he can change that. Okay, fair enough. I don't. At the same time, he may end up be being the best option for next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1127253]Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.[/quote]

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?

Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.

I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1127290]KC [I]may[/I] be the best option for next year, but to me that's a entirely different question from who he is NOW. To me, he is the same guy he has been for the last THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Decent game, good game, [B]dear-god-how-he-still-be-in-the-league game[/B], less than good game, really good game. All mixed in together.[/quote]

LOL! :laughing- True. I'm hoping to see fewer of those, anyway.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1127235]You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:[/quote]

KC is 27 and has been in the NFL for 4 years, and has spent most of that time as the backup QB for a generally lousy team. He's NOT a rookie. He's got this entire season to show what he's made of. What our GM is looking for is steady improvement throughout this entire 16 game season. I [I]personally hope[/I] that KC turns out to be the long-term franchise QB that the 'skins have been searching for over the last 25 years. But honestly right now I see him making some good moves and also some bad ones. He just had a very good game that showed that he has the fire in his belly to make a comeback victory. Let's see how he does - he controls his own destiny. Next season RG3 will be gone. If KC steadily improves and helps this team win some games he could get himself more games next year. But if he stays as an average or below guy who throws too many INT then McC will draft a QB with our first pick.

The NFL is a QB-driven game and KC has a whole season to show that he can be the passer / leader that this team needs to win football games. If he can exhibit an ability to win games then he'll be part of a steadily improving football team. I also want to see how KC does when Desean finally comes back on the roster...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127254]It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.[/quote]

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

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[quote=Schneed10;1127299]If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.[/quote]

You better stop with that sense making stuff, can't go around talking logic to peoplex. That's how people get hurt

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[quote=Schneed10;1127299]If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.[/quote]

Gee, I must admit I forgot all about the tag. Nevermind.

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Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice

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[quote=Chico23231;1127319]Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice[/quote]

I thought there was no way the Qb tag would be 25 mil next year but wholly hell, it currently is. Apparently some back loaded contracts are coming due resulting in a QB franchise tag increase of 37%!!!!! The number may go down in some of the top 5 restructure.

Joe Flacco $28,550,000
Drew Brees $27,400,000
Ben Roethlisberger $23,950,000
Matt Ryan $23,750,000
Matthew Stafford $22,500,000


[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3737fz/why_is_the_qb_franchise_tag_price_projected_to_be/[/url]

^^ pretty good fan conversation on next years projected franchise Qb tag.

[url=http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/]2016 Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap[/url]

^^ Qbs get paid. Kirk is easily going to get btw 6 and 14 mil per if he continues to play decent.

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Mark Sanchez is making $4.5M on a two year deal as a backup in Philly. Have to let the season play out but that's the absolute floor - I'd say Kirk has been better than Sanchez.

$8M per season feels reasonable at the moment for Kirk but like I said, have to let the season play out. If he were to hit the open market he might get more just because some teams are starving for a QB and might overpay.

Whatever, let's see how it goes.

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[quote=Chico23231;1127319]Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice[/quote]

I completely agree, but I was responding to KI's thought that if Kirk plays real well from here on in, his price might get up there pretty high.

I'm just saying if he's suddenly super consistent and clutch from here on in, then we will have made the playoffs, and suddenly we'll be looking at him like a potential franchise guy. At that point, the possibility of the franchise or transition tag enters your mind.

But that's getting ahead of ourselves, and it's just a best possible scenario. The likelihood is that he'll have a few more clunkers the rest of the way.

The tendency is for people to take his last game and project that forward. He was dynamite against Tampa, but there's nothing in his history to suggest he can do that 9 games in a row. That's a lofty leap of faith.

If he keeps up his current pattern of good game/bad game, he'll be worth around $8M per season. You'd never tag him at that point. You'd simply place your value on him, and if someone offers to overpay then you grin & bear it with Colt McCoy as your bridge to a new starter. That possibility terrifies people, but it would be better than drastically overpaying for another Mark Sanchez.

McCloughan will do the right thing.

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Also, anyone notice the bond McCloughan formed with Junior Galette? He had him crying in his office, so much so that Junior was dying to repay the 'Skins for taking a chance on him. Of course McC shares a common bond with Galette in that they've both made mistakes and believe in second chances.

Whatever, my point is that McCloughan did a real nice job selling Galette on the Redskins and getting him for cheap. He might have a shot at resigning him for cheap coming off this achilles, too.

I wouldn't put it past McCloughan to meet with Cousins at season's end and convince him to pass up a chance at free agency & bigger money and sign with the Skins.

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[quote=Schneed10;1127418]Also, anyone notice the bond McCloughan formed with Junior Galette? He had him crying in his office, so much so that Junior was dying to repay the 'Skins for taking a chance on him. [/quote]

Yes, that told me a lot about Scot and his way to instill confidence in others that he knows what he is doing. Also, the redemption aspect was cool.

Big fan of Scot. hell, im a big fan of Bruce for the way he handled the cap as a placekeeper until he could find a Scot to step in. (not a fan of bruce's condescending and smug post season presser last year).

Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1127291]Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?



Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.



I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.[/QUOTE]


But experience wise he is young. Do you not believe starting games has more to do with becoming a better qb than simply aging?
Edit: furthermore, he is finally after 3 years getting all the first team reps, and attention as a starter. This is like his rookie year in more than one way, that has to be taken into account. Not sure how it is getting "old" in week 8? Do not mistake my comments as me saying he will pan out, or he is the future. However we are 8 weeks into his first true audition imo.
When you are pulled off the bench in the second half, or cast into the starting role when the season is over already its easy to be inconsistent. This is year number one with him as the pre ordained starting qb from the preseason. That is a fact not an opinion. We are seeing absolute growth as is evident by his calm cool and collected self in clutch time. All of this without a true number one wr, and a banged up oline, a non existent run game, and a defense that has not exactly kept him in rythym by stopping the other teams. He has willed us to victory more than once this year.

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"Experience wise he's not a young QB"?? Sorry, to me young QB means a guy 25 and under - it has nothing to do with starts or experience. Weeden came into the game an "old" QB at 29 even though he hadn't started a single game. KC my be an "inexperienced QB," though I would argue the point; he is most certainly not a "young" QB.

I understand the "not-enough-starts" argument. However, I think that holds water in year one and two, loses something in year three and is meaningless by years four, five and beyond. I get that consistent starting makes a difference. At the same time, he has plenty of in-game experience to see what kind of QB he is. Starter or not, by your fourth year in the league, you either get it or you don't. I have seen nothing to convince me he can be game-to-game consistent.

[Really, I can think of only a few "late bloomers" ever: Plunkett, Gannon, and Theisman. To me, these guys are the exception not the rule. Further, although I may be wrong, I don't think any of the three cited were turnover machines before they excelled in their respective starting gigs.]

Very simply, he is making the same mistakes now that he made three years ago. I am seeing some improvement in terms of not melting down after a screw-up, but not in avoiding the screw ups in the first place.

He has nine games to change my mind. I truly, truly hope he does.

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9 GAMES TO CHANGE HIS FUTURE!! I am pulling for Kirk!

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1127429]"Experience wise he's not a young QB"?? Sorry, to me young QB means a guy 25 and under - it has nothing to do with starts or experience. Weeden came into the game an "old" QB at 29 even though he hadn't started a single game. KC my be an "inexperienced QB," though I would argue the point; he is most certainly not a "young" QB.



I understand the "not-enough-starts" argument. However, I think that holds water in year one and two, loses something in year three and is meaningless by years four, five and beyond. I get that consistent starting makes a difference. At the same time, he has plenty of in-game experience to see what kind of QB he is. Starter or not, by your fourth year in the league, you either get it or you don't. I have seen nothing to convince me he can be game-to-game consistent.



[Really, I can think of only a few "late bloomers" ever: Plunkett, Gannon, and Theisman. To me, these guys are the exception not the rule. Further, although I may be wrong, I don't think any of the three cited were turnover machines before they excelled in their respective starting gigs.]



Very simply, he is making the same mistakes now that he made three years ago. I am seeing some improvement in terms of not melting down after a screw-up, but not in avoiding the screw ups in the first place.



He has nine games to change my mind. I truly, truly hope he does.[/QUOTE]


Your very last sentence would be just fine. Totally agree with the age vs game experience thing. Late bloomer to me is a qb who starts more than one or two seasons worth of games, or drifts around the league as a backup and than bursts on to the scene, not one who rides the bench behind a first round pick for a couple years than gets his chance. I would not call Steve Young a late bloomer. He got a late chance. His and KC's whole NFL trips are very rare. They both were deemed worth holding onto while waiting for their chance. Not often a team picks a qb at number two than drafts another so early if at all that year. KC never had a chance in 2012 except to come off the bench and for good reason. 2013 and 2014 to me would be a tough go for any second or third year qb. Changing of regimes and a polarizing guy like RG-3 still clearly at the forefront of the qb discussion.
If we are looking for progress we need not look towards the end of the season. I saw it just last week when he pulled off the biggest comeback in team history. No matter who we were playing that is not an easy thing to do. I for one think KC is smart enough -especially after last week - to learn not to force throws and the issue during a game. He will mature (in starting game years) and wait for a bettet team to be built around him, number one wr, better run game, better o-line, better D!

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Punch it in …I could not have said it better!!

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[quote=over the mountain;1127420] (not a fan of bruce's condescending and smug post season presser last year).[/quote]

Name another front office suit in the NFL who would mow the grass.

Name just one!