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Since he seems to be getting quite a lot of love here, I wanted to watch a bit of tape on Sammy Watkins.
I watched all the offensive snaps of the Rams against the Skins from last season on the All 22.

I'll tell you what, from what I saw this is not the guy I want to spend 10M+ on.
I'll grant him he's a willing and decent blocker in the run game... but other than that... hard to believe he's a 4.43s guy. Not a great route runner. Unimpressed.

Now, it's one game and I'm not as expert as some of you here, so is there something I'm missing here?
His career stats doesn't show that (other than his one 1000 yards season it's meh), but stats are not everything... anyone?

I want to do the same on Paul Richardson, Albert Wilson and Taylor Gabriel. 3 guys I've read the Skins could be targeting.

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The main thing to not like about Watkins is his durability. It would be like bringing in another Jordan Reed. No thanks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1188398]For Rob, what first cut? He just tap dances in the backfield until he's tackled. Poor Rob, he has no feel for the game whatsoever. We desperately need a lead RB. Perine is a backup, at best, IMHO.

Perhaps we could get the job done with a committee. Chris Ivory is almost certain to be cut by JAC. I'd look into signing him to a reasonable deal if his health checks out. Given the opportunity, I'd definitely draft Raashad Penny. If not Penny, than I'd look to draft Sony Michel a little lower.

Maybe Ivory, Penny or Michel, Perine, and Chris Thompson could get the job done.[/quote]



Ivory (I don't feel) is the answer either. He has had his opportunities and really hasn't made a case for being a starter. I'd take my chances with drafting a mid rounder and letting Perine fight for it. I still feel he can be a pretty good RB for us. Just has to learn the NFL game, develop some patience.

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[quote=MTK;1189714]The main thing to not like about Watkins is his durability. It would be like bringing in another Jordan Reed. No thanks.[/quote]

Not as bad but he's prob not worth 10M a yr

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Just watched all the offensive snaps of the Seahawks against the Jaguars game.

I'd love us to sign Paul Richardson.

He ran a 4.40, and that shows on tape! He is a real legit deep threat.
Good route runner, he won quite a lot against a really good secondary!

Had the Seahawks had a better offensive line, he would have had a lot more than 700 receiving yards last year !

Also, really good run blocker. He's enthusiastic doing it too. Not only against DBs, he layed a legit block on Myles Jack, he's not afraid to block LBs.

Might have a little drop issue, dropped 6 passes out of 80 targets... but hey he'd fit right in with our receiving corps ^^

He could be a steal.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1189751]Just watched all the offensive snaps of the Seahawks against the Jaguars game.

I'd love us to sign Paul Richardson.

He ran a 4.40, and that shows on tape! He is a real legit deep threat.
Good route runner, he won quite a lot against a really good secondary!

Had the Seahawks had a better offensive line, he would have had a lot more than 700 receiving yards last year !

Also, really good run blocker. He's enthusiastic doing it too. Not only against DBs, he layed a legit block on Myles Jack, he's not afraid to block LBs.

Might have a little drop issue, dropped 6 passes out of 80 targets... but hey he'd fit right in with our receiving corps ^^

He could be a steal.[/quote]


It was reported that Seattle wants to keep him and has offered him 5.5 M , I saw this on Twitter so I don't have a link, BUT that doesn't mean we can't steal him away. I think he's a good number 2

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189755]It was reported that Seattle wants to keep him and has offered him 5.5 M , I saw this on Twitter so I don't have a link, BUT that doesn't mean we can't steal him away. I think he's a good number 2[/quote]

I think he could flourish here, and I'ld like that to be one of the signings we make at the beginning of FA, in fact it could be the only one. Not a lot else to spend on, unless there is a guard that is worth it.

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Sounds like they plan to address WR via FA. With all the guys we thought would be tagged likely hitting the open market, I support this move for sure. Calvin Ridley, by most accounts, is the only clear 1st rd talent at WR in this draft. They have a much better chance of hitting on a RB and/or LG in the draft given the top end depth at those positions.

If they don't also sign Poe than they need to sign a LG too. I'd really like a Guard from this draft, but right now we have 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. Realistically we can get 2 starters. LG or DT in round 1 and RB in round 2.

From the perspective of the salary cap it's difficult to decide to G or DT in FA. On one hand, you have 2 mediocre DT from last year's FA and their contracts on the books, so a young guy makes sense. On the other hand, you're going to have to pay Scherff next year and so you'd prefer a younger cheaper guy across from him.

In the end they will likely have to patch a hole with a less than ideal solution att one of these 2 positions.

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[quote=WillH;1189767]Sounds like they plan to address WR via FA. With all the guys we thought would be tagged likely hitting the open market, I support this move for sure. Calvin Ridley, by most accounts, is the only clear 1st rd talent at WR in this draft. They have a much better chance of hitting on a RB and/or LG in the draft given the top end depth at those positions.

If they don't also sign Poe than they need to sign a LG too. I'd really like a Guard from this draft, but right now we have 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. Realistically we can get 2 starters. LG or DT in round 1 and RB in round 2.

From the perspective of the salary cap it's difficult to decide to G or DT in FA. On one hand, you have 2 mediocre DT from last year's FA and their contracts on the books, so a young guy makes sense. On the other hand, you're going to have to pay Scherff next year and so you'd prefer a younger cheaper guy across from him.

In the end they will likely have to patch a hole with a less than ideal solution att one of these 2 positions.

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Allen Robinson will be coveted by a handful of teams but I agree, I don't think we are planning on drafting a WR early on.. Looks like RB and DL will be the top priorities as listening to Doug and Jay speak. Now if we can land Calloway from UF in the 4th that would be nice.

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[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RobiAl02.htm[/url]

22 Td's in 2 years basically, not bad

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Give me donte moncrief instead of these guys. He fits our needs better.

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Well, I was definitely wrong about the Tag and Trade. I do hope they considered it. I also hope this means we hit FA with purpose.

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He must've made a good impression on everyone, congrats...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/06/deshazor-everett-signs-multi-year-extension/]Deshazor Everett signs multi-year extension – ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[QUOTE=WillH;1189788]Well, I was definitely wrong about the Tag and Trade. I do hope they considered it. I also hope this means we hit FA with purpose.

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I can’t see how it would have been seriously considered, it would have been a cluster F

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1189811]He must've made a good impression on everyone, congrats...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/06/deshazor-everett-signs-multi-year-extension/]Deshazor Everett signs multi-year extension – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

That's a win for the ST coach.

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[quote=WillH;1189776]Give me donte moncrief instead of these guys. He fits our needs better.

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He's better than they are, period. You get no yac from Robinson, even when he's healthy. Richardson doesn't get any separation. Moncrief is a Red Zone weapon, a deep threat, and he'll catch the ball over the middle. What's not to like?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189824]He's better than they are, period. You get no yac from Robinson, even when he's healthy. Richardson doesn't get any separation. Moncrief is a Red Zone weapon, a deep threat, and he'll catch the ball over the middle. What's not to like?[/quote]

He'd be cheaper too

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189820]That's a win for the ST coach.[/quote]

Good to have depth at safety too. Everett had some really good flashes.

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There are reports the Browns are interested in Breeland and Miami is hoping to get Brown this time.

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It appears Niles Paul is gone- per his tweets

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1189878]It appears Niles Paul is gone- per his tweets[/QUOTE]I wonder who they are planning to bring in.

I liked Paul but I wondered how many special teams guys the Skins can carry.

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[quote=Dan73;1189886]I wonder who they are planning to bring in.

I liked Paul but I wondered how many special teams guys the Skins can carry.

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a bigger, natural TE who can block- late round pick- paid NFL minimum

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[quote=Dan73;1189876]There are reports the Browns are interested in Breeland and Miami is hoping to get Brown this time.

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I don't see how Miami can get anyone with their cap situation.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1189891]I don't see how Miami can get anyone with their cap situation.[/QUOTE]


Yeah especially if Brown wants top dollar

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[quote=MTK;1189892]Yeah especially if Brown wants top dollar[/quote]

I like that the Skins have enough cap space to bid for a guy if they really want him, but not SO much cap space that they can just go free wheeling through FA.

I think our FO team should get a LOT more credit for the work they have done in using our cap since we came off that lame mara penalty.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1189903]I like that the Skins have enough cap space to bid for a guy if they really want him, but not SO much cap space that they can just go free wheeling through FA.

I think our FO team should get a LOT more credit for the work they have done in using our cap since we came off that lame mara penalty.[/QUOTE]Here here.

I know all, or most, of the complaints about Bruce and the FO valid, and there's been some really doosies of mistakes, but by and large there roster management has been significantly more rational and consistent since Bruce replaced Vinny. I'm not saying it's been great, but I really think things are going in a more positive direction than 10 years ago.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1189904]Here here.

I know all, or most, of the complaints about Bruce and the FO valid, and there's been some really doosies of mistakes, but by and large there roster management has been significantly more rational and consistent since Bruce replaced Vinny. I'm not saying it's been great, but I really think things are going in a more positive direction than 10 years ago.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I wonder why people buy the narrative that the RG3 was not Shanahan?

I can say Dan is to blame for listening to Vinny and ending up with Zorn. But fans were against hiring Fassel and fans want Shanahan.

In 2012 Shanahan was singing a different tune about RG3.

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[quote=Dan73;1189910]I wonder why people buy the narrative that the RG3 was not Shanahan?

I can say Dan is to blame for listening to Vinny and ending up with Zorn. But fans were against hiring Fassel and fans want Shanahan.

In 2012 Shanahan was singing a different tune about RG3.

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Because Shanahan wanted Cousins Snyder wanted RGIII,Shanahan wanted to show unity with his owner .Pretty much everyone knew that .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189915]Because Shanahan wanted Cousins Snyder wanted RGIII,Shanahan wanted to show unity with his owner .Pretty much everyone knew that .[/QUOTE]Yet Cousin claims the Shanahans told them he was drafted to be traded later.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/05/18/mike-shanahan-wants-you-to-know-that-the-rgiii-trade-wasnt-mike-shanahans-fault/[/url]

He sounds more than towing the line of unity.

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"Stayed down, played my role, & always put the team before myself. Shit wild, but I don’t even know why I’m acting surprised"

Niles Paul

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[quote=Dan73;1189919]Yet Cousin claims the Shanahans told them he was drafted to be traded later.

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Link? Shanahan knew what he had in Cousins if(when) RGIII falls he will look like a smart coach.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189921]"Stayed down, played my role, & always put the team before myself. Shit wild, but I don’t even know why I’m acting surprised"

Niles Paul[/quote]

I think this team has beem pretty loyal to him as well. He's had a longer than average career here.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189924]Link? Shanahan knew what he had in Cousins if(when) RGIII falls he will look like a smart coach.[/QUOTE]Cousins was on a DC area radio station recently, and he talked about the*first conversation he had with Kyle Shanahan*after the 2012 NFL Draft.

“He was just introducing himself,” Cousins recalled. “I remember the first thing he said was, ‘My goal is to develop you and help you play well enough that someday we can trade you.'”

“And that was kind of the vision all along,” he said. “We didn’t draft you to not help the team or to sit on the bench, but at the same time, we don’t really want you to play. We want you to sit on the bench and hopefully play well enough in the preseason to get an opportunity.”

[url]https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10/10/16454692/kyle-shanahans-goal-was-to-develop-kirk-cousins-to-the-point-where-washington-could-trade-him[/url]

You would think Cousins defenders would know this.

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We’re on to Alex

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For better or worse, one executive tells me there are about to be an onslaught of trades, including ones with marquee players. Bennett just the beginning. Buckle up!

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189929]@Schultz_Report
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More Jordan Schultz Retweeted Dianna Russini
For better or worse, one executive tells me there are about to be an onslaught of trades, including ones with marquee players. Bennett just the beginning. Buckle up![/QUOTE]Eagles 10 million over they will try to trade away rather than cut.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189929]@Schultz_Report
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More Jordan Schultz Retweeted Dianna Russini
For better or worse, one executive tells me there are about to be an onslaught of trades, including ones with marquee players. Bennett just the beginning. Buckle up![/quote]

It's going to be an interesting free agency.

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Looks like the NFL may start the MLB approach with O/S deals

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[quote=Dan73;1189927]Cousins was on a DC area radio station recently, and he talked about the*first conversation he had with Kyle Shanahan*after the 2012 NFL Draft.

“He was just introducing himself,” Cousins recalled. “I remember the first thing he said was, ‘My goal is to develop you and help you play well enough that someday we can trade you.'”

“And that was kind of the vision all along,” he said. “We didn’t draft you to not help the team or to sit on the bench, but at the same time, we don’t really want you to play. We want you to sit on the bench and hopefully play well enough in the preseason to get an opportunity.”

[url]https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10/10/16454692/kyle-shanahans-goal-was-to-develop-kirk-cousins-to-the-point-where-washington-could-trade-him[/url]

You would think Cousins defenders would know this.

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Read the very next sentence in the story....

"Although we have since learned how much the Shanahan’s liked Cousins over RG3".

You would figure cousin haters would know this by now.